究竟移民值不值？

jackj

说出心里话是需要胆量的，加分。

gufei

HEY,

YOU CAN WHATEVER DREAM YOU WANT , NOBODY WILL STOP. YOU THINK AMERICAN DREAM IS PERFERT. IF YOU THINK GRASS IS GREENER THAN THE OTHER SIDE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST LEAVE HERE? GO TO OTHER SIDE , START YOUR NICE , PERFECT DREAM.

WHO CARES YOU MAKE " AMERICAN DREAM " OR NOT. IT'S YOUR CHOICE, YOU ARE INDEPENDENT PERSON , NOBODY CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO DO. IF YOU FEEL CANADA IS SUCH A LOUSY PLACE, THIS IS RIDICULOUS FOR YOU TO STAY HERE, MIND STAY OTHER SIDE. YOU WILL NEVER SUCCESSFUL. YOU WON'T BE A WINNER AT ALL.

PLUS, HOW MANY MILLIONAIR IN STATES, HOW MANY RICH PEOPLE IN CHINA. HOW MUCH YOU INVOLVE THIS SOCIETY?

CANADA IS MUCH MORE FREEDOM THAN CHINA, TEEL YOU THE TRUTH. YOU CAN DO BUSINESS FREELY. YOU PROBABLY EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED IN CANADA. I GUESS YOU LIFE IN CANADA LIKE A HELL FOR YOU!!!!!

LOOK AT THE POSITIVE WAY, GUY!!  IF YOU THINK CHINA OR AMERICA CAN GIVE YOU RICH, GO, GO! GO! TAKE FAST TRAIN! GO TO GRAB THE GOLD THERE!!!

FOR MY EXPERIENCE, NOBODY WILL GIVE YOU GOLD WITH ANY REASON.  

WAKE UP!!! GUY!!! CANADA IS NOT THAT BAD! :slobber:

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最初由[gufei]发布
REPLY TO #58

HEY,

YOU CAN WHATEVER DREAM YOU WANT , NOBODY WILL STOP. YOU THINK AMERICAN DREAM IS PERFERT. IF YOU THINK GRASS IS GREENER THAN THE OTHER SIDE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST LEAVE HERE? GO TO OTHER SIDE , START YOUR NICE , PERFECT DREAM.

WHO CARES YOU MAKE " AMERICAN DREAM " OR NOT. IT'S YOUR CHOICE, YOU ARE INDEPENDENT PERSON , NOBODY CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO DO. IF YOU FEEL CANADA IS SUCH A LOUSY PLACE, THIS IS RIDICULOUS FOR YOU TO STAY HERE, MIND STAY OTHER SIDE. YOU WILL NEVER SUCCESSFUL. YOU WON'T BE A WINNER AT ALL.

PLUS, HOW MANY MILLIONAIR IN STATES, HOW MANY RICH PEOPLE IN CHINA. HOW MUCH YOU INVOLVE THIS SOCIETY?

CANADA IS MUCH MORE FREEDOM THAN CHINA, TEEL YOU THE TRUTH. YOU CAN DO BUSINESS FREELY. YOU PROBABLY EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED IN CANADA. I GUESS YOU LIFE IN CANADA LIKE A HELL FOR YOU!!!!!

LOOK AT THE POSITIVE WAY, GUY!!  IF YOU THINK CHINA OR AMERICA CAN GIVE YOU RICH, GO, GO! GO! TAKE FAST TRAIN! GO TO GRAB THE GOLD THERE!!!

FOR MY EXPERIENCE, NOBODY WILL GIVE YOU GOLD WITH ANY REASON.  

WAKE UP!!! GUY!!! CANADA IS NOT THAT BAD! :slobber:

The better a place is, the harder to be there. Because I am hard to get a USA Green Card, I have to choose the second one -- Canadian citizen. I bet you I'll leave Canada just after I get a citizen status. You know each year there are some Chinese enter Canada from USA, just because they have difficulties to get USA Green Card to stay in USA legally. I advise you to find a litle time to visit USA, your view will be changed.

毛毛

一下这句话大家应该都听过吧，用它来结束这个不会有结果的讨论吧：
中国 - 可以乐业，但是不能安居
加拿大 - 可以安居，但是不能乐业
美国 - 一个可以安居乐业的地方
安居乐业，四个字就浓缩了所有人的生活目标。

晴天娃娃

不要再移民了.

solonewolfso

再来加拿大之前，我和我的夫人就这个问题“安居乐业”进行了很多的讨论，她就是认为加拿大好，而且一定比中国好，我辩论不过她，所以我们来了！
来了以后很失望，她又说“美国好”，这同样是错误！
在加拿大干不好，到了美国还是会失望！
我希望不要总犯同样的错误！！！




QUOTE]最初由[毛毛]发布
一下这句话大家应该都听过吧，用它来结束这个不会有结果的讨论吧：
中国 - 可以乐业，但是不能安居
加拿大 - 可以安居，但是不能乐业
美国 - 一个可以安居乐业的地方
安居乐业，四个字就浓缩了所有人的生活目标。

诺曼

完全同意66楼的意见。 88！

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最初由[毛毛]发布
一下这句话大家应该都听过吧，用它来结束这个不会有结果的讨论吧：
中国 - 可以乐业，但是不能安居
加拿大 - 可以安居，但是不能乐业
美国 - 一个可以安居乐业的地方
安居乐业，四个字就浓缩了所有人的生活目标。

A true word! As owner of this topic, I know everyone have their different opinions about Canada, China and USA, depending on their experience, ability and current situation. I don't want to force people to follow an unique idea.

If a topic could only have one right answer, it is not becoming a topic.

faxmail

最初由[solonewolfso]发布
再来加拿大之前，我和我的夫人就这个问题“安居乐业”进行了很多的讨论，她就是认为加拿大好，而且一定比中国好，我辩论不过她，所以我们来了！
来了以后很失望，她又说“美国好”，这同样是错误！
在加拿大干不好，到了美国还是会失望！
我希望不要总犯同样的错误！！！

When I was working in USA in 2000, I met several Chinese that came to Canada as immigrants from Japan, Europe, China,...then quickly switched to USA as H1-B visa holders. They had some friends in Canada doing professional job, but none of their friends in Canada  said that their life/income in Canada was better than those H1-B holders. But those H1-B holder were not sure when they could get USA Green Card.

Generally speaking, the environment protection of Canada is better than USA, and Canadian are more polite than American, less aggressive. But the chance and income in Canada is not satisfied,  there are a liitle big projects that challenge your ability, sometime you may learn less than you can do in China.

Compared with USA, Canada is not a good place to earn big money if you pay the same effort, however, Canada is a great place for retirment because of free health care and good benefit to poor people.

So work anywhere outside Canada -- earn money, then come back to Canada when you retire to share the welfare

Don't need to be so disappointed. Everyone in this economy crisis bear great pressure, you would survive the crisis. Pessimism  can do nothing except destoying your health.

falsepresident

最初由[faxmail]发布
最初由[solonewolfso]发布
再来加拿大之前，我和我的夫人就这个问题“安居乐业”进行了很多的讨论，她就是认为加拿大好，而且一定比中国好，我辩论不过她，所以我们来了！
来了以后很失望，她又说“美国好”，这同样是错误！
在加拿大干不好，到了美国还是会失望！
我希望不要总犯同样的错误！！！

When I was working in USA in 2000, I met several Chinese that came to Canada as immigrants from Japan, Europe, China,...then quickly switched to USA as H1-B visa holders. They had some friends in Canada doing professional job, but none of their friends in Canada  said that their life/income in Canada was better than those H1-B holders. But those H1-B holder were not sure when they could get USA Green Card.

Generally speaking, the environment protection of Canada is better than USA, and Canadian are more polite than American, less aggressive. But the chance and income in Canada is not satisfied,  there are a liitle big projects that challenge your ability, sometime you may learn less than you can do in China.

Compared with USA, Canada is not a good place to earn big money if you pay the same effort, however, Canada is a great place for retirment because of free health care and good benefit to poor people.

So work anywhere outside Canada -- earn money, then come back to Canada when you retire to share the welfare

Don't need to be so disappointed. Everyone in this economy crisis bear great pressure, you would survive the crisis. Pessimism  can do nothing except destoying your health.

True!

*火眼金睛*

最初由[毛毛]发布
一下这句话大家应该都听过吧，用它来结束这个不会有结果的讨论吧：
中国 - 可以乐业，但是不能安居
加拿大 - 可以安居，但是不能乐业
美国 - 一个可以安居乐业的地方
安居乐业，四个字就浓缩了所有人的生活目标。
我想说这话的人八成没有在美国和加拿大呆过。
美国可不是安居乐业的地方，如果你没有工作的话，千万不能生病（病一场，如果你没有保险的话，可惨了），那里可没有加拿大的全社会医疗保险。可不是一个安居乐业地方（还要提防恐怖分子，美国得罪的人太多了）。
比来比去，还是中国最好。又不用别人的语言，做人家的二等公民。

四海

到 那儿都一样。狼走天边吃肉，狗走天边吃屎。
有一些永远长不大的人，一生循环在幻想----失望中。这是中国科举应试教育造成的。什麽都学了，就是没学怎麽生活。什麽都会。就是不会做人。
有的人落地就买房，有的人来5年了。还在千人一夜行为行列中。
人比人就得死。不能一盖而论。中国再不好也有人住别墅。加拿大再好也有人住土库。

seed

最初由[四海]发布
到 那儿都一样。狼走天边吃肉，狗走天边吃屎。

到 那儿都一样。狼走天边吃肉，狗走天边吃屎。
有一些永远长不大的人，一生循环在幻想----失望中。这是中国科举应试教育造成的。什麽都学了，就是没学怎麽生活。什麽都会。就是不会做人。
有的人落地就买房，有的人来5年了。还在千人一夜行为行列中。
人比人就得死。不能一盖而论。中国再不好也有人住别墅。加拿大再好也有人住土库。

买房可不是成功的标志,站在千人一夜的行列中也并不能说明什么失败,在北美你今天可能挣10万.明天就可能失业,呆的越久你就会越认识和理解这个社会.

seed

最初由[cgigate]发布

我想说这话的人八成没有在美国和加拿大呆过。
美国可不是安居乐业的地方，如果你没有工作的话，千万不能生病（病一场，如果你没有保险的话，可惨了），那里可没有加拿大的全社会医疗保险。可不是一个安居乐业地方（还要提防恐怖分子，美国得罪的人太多了）。
比来比去，还是中国最好。又不用别人的语言，做人家的二等公民。

美国穷人也有医疗保险的,全部政府付钱,连药费都不用掏的,没看见那么多黑人什么事都不做就是吃政府的吗?美国那么多就业机会,而那些人是根本就不想做事的.最惨的就是中产阶级.处处自己掏钱.至于说美国就业机会好过加拿大,同类工作挣的也多这是不争的事实,我觉得关键是那里的竞争意识和效率绝对好过加拿大,对想出国搏一把的人是绝对有吸引力的,但对于有孩子和老人的家庭似乎更适合住在加拿大.

诺曼

最初由[seed]发布

至于说美国就业机会好过加拿大,同类工作挣的也多这是不争的事实,.
根据最近的加国无忧“淘金梦碎“报道，大批被美国硅谷裁员的中国电脑工程师申请移民加拿大。谁能告诉我他们为了啥离开就业机会多的美国而到加拿大来呢？