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发表于 2010-11-17 15:40:00 | 只看该作者
Tom,你在382楼的叹息,我持一点点保留意见。
财富的定义是3个E,Excessive Cash, financial Education, financial Experience。如果没有同时存在的3个E,就算现在有钱,今后也是留不住的。老天爷是公平的。因为某些原因现在手头有钱,可是如果不懂得如何挣钱,或者这个钱不是靠自己挣来的,这笔钱迟早要还给他人。
我看到唐案原告的做法,曾对他们的这些钱的来源产生过想法。一个能有15万元加币闲钱投资而且来自大陆的人,大家可想想近百万的人民币,会是什么渠道来的?可能会是正当的生意,也可能是不正当的生意,还有的就是贪污来的。如果是正当生意人,对投资的谨慎一定是有的,个人成长一定是有的,亏了会说自己穷得要打工生活陷入困境来装可怜获得别人同情么?你觉得你会把毕生积蓄投入到一个基金吗?这是常识。其实大家可以对投资人的来源进行一下讨论。
我看到过有个人起诉唐先生,年初唐先生输了官司。虽然我不知道是什么案例,也不知道谁是谁非。但是感觉那个人是做正当事的生意人。因为他的做法,简单直接有效率,而且一人做事一人当,也符合君子交恶不出恶声的做法。
可是现在大家关注的唐案,辱骂声不绝于耳。谁君子谁小人?自有明辨。
还有一点,别随便同情装可怜的人。我在过去生活中遇到的最大的几个麻烦都是因为同情可怜人导致的。唐先生的境况比那些起诉他的原告要困难,可是从来没装可怜过。可怜之人必有可恨之处。
如果跳出可怜,再来看唐案,我想很多人的观点会或多或少有些改变。
torontohankou 发表于 2010-11-17 13:49 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


重复那个“不恰当”的比方
你的亲人被人谋杀了,你能容忍这样的说法吗:
人生在世,少不了2H, Health, Happiness, 如果两者都没有,那活着算是多余。老天爷是公平的,罪犯怎么偏偏就挑你亲人来实施犯罪呢?没准命中注定,即便不是这个罪犯,迟早也可能被别的人干掉。。。
你亲人从大陆来加拿大,会不会是腐败分子逃过来的?以前会不会是黑社会得罪人太多?其实大家应该对你亲人的身世多加调查?
不能容忍吧,觉得是奇谈怪论吧?
苦主的钱被骗了,你居然责备他们受不住财?还要查他们财富的来源?
什么裸机、什么粉洗?闻所未闻了!
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发表于 2010-11-17 15:42:54 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 唐炜臻 于 2010-11-17 15:59 编辑

如果我是犹太人,有意见就到5号去提

Last Updated: Monday, November 15, 2010 | 11:25 PM ET

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Nicholas Stein, CBC News

Tzvi Erez was accused of swindling more than 70 investors of $27 million, but the Crown dropped the charges, saying it lacked the resources to proceed quickly enough in the case. (CBC)
The Ontario Crown Attorney`s Office withdrew criminal charges against a Toronto man accused of operating a multimillion-dollar Ponzi scheme partly because the court lacks resources, CBC News has learned.

According to a report filed by a court-appointed receiver, Tzvi Erez, 43, used a series of expertly forged documents to defraud more than 70 investors of $27 million.

But in an email from Crown attorney Christine McGoey obtained by CBC News, the Crown said one of the reasons it decided not to pursue the case was because of the competition over trial time.

There are very serious criminal matters competing for limited trial time, with cases being stayed because of delay, wrote McGoey. And we have to consider the impact of any delay that might occur throughout the process and the variety of factors that are taken into account in assessing which cases will go to trial before others.

In June 2009, Erez was charged by Toronto police with one count of fraud over $5,000, seven counts of forgery and one count of violating his probation on a prior fraud conviction. The charges were based on evidence provided by one of Erez`s alleged victims, Willy Tencer.

According to a Sept. 30 memo written by Tencer`s lawyer, Lou Brzezinski, assistant Crown attorney Donna Gillespie told him the charges were dropped ecause the courts were tied up with more serious criminal matters [such as rape and murder].

Brzezinski, whose client invested more than $1.2 million with Erez, claimed Gillespie said that court time and availability of judges were insufficient … and as a result, hard choices had to be made.

Gillespie did not respond to requests for an interview. Ontario Attorney General Chris Bentley also declined to be interviewed.

Victim should have known better: Crown
The Crown was at risk of denying Erez his right under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to be tried in a reasonable period of time. More than 16 months after charging Erez, the Crown still had not fulfilled its requirement to disclose evidence to his lawyer, Edward Greenspan.

As I indicated to you, the Crown would very likely face an abuse of process motion should the course of action be pursued, McGoey wrote in her email.

The Crown also suggested another reason charges were withdrawn was because the victim should have known better.

In her email, McGoey said the complainant in the case was an experienced businessman but he did
ot seek to verify the invoices of the suppliers.

Assistant Crown attorney Gillespie echoed that consideration when she appeared before court to have the charges withdrawn.

The Crown is not attributing blame to the complainant, of course, but before investing large amounts of money in a business venture, an experienced businessman would endeavor to confirm the legitimacy of the business transaction and there should be due diligence on behalf of the lender or the investor before doing so, she said.

But neither McGoey nor Gillespie addressed the validity of the fraud and forgery charges against Erez. Erez`s alleged fraud first was exposed following the February 2009 bankruptcy of his Toronto printing company, E Graphix.

The evidence appeared to be overwhelming, according to a 295-page report filed in Ontario Superior Court by receiver Jerry Henechowicz, whom the court appointed to vet investor claims and locate and seize assets as part of the civil bankruptcy proceeding against Erez`s companies.

It is clear from the receiver`s investigations that Tzvi operated a `Ponzi` scheme, states the report. The report also stated that Erez obtained tens of millions of dollars in loans for his printing business based on documents that turned out to be elaborate forgeries.

Investors would be provided … forged purchase orders, invoices and other documents to support what was presented as a highly profitable yet underfinanced print-brokerage business.

Erez targeted investors from the Jewish community. His stepfather is a well-known real estate developer, and Erez graduated from two of the city`s most established Jewish parochial schools, Associated Hebrew Schools and the Community Hebrew Academy of Toronto.

We were played very well, says Elliot Steiner, a Richmond Hill real estate developer who invested $225,000 with Erez. It never occurred to me that somebody would do this, he said.

A piano prodigy who produced a couple of CDs and performed live at concert halls in Toronto, Erez put people at ease with his clean-cut, baby-faced appearance and studious manner.

“He’s just a regular guy, says Steiner. “You know, you’d see him in the breakfast restaurant every day, and you wouldn’t notice him in the crowd.”

After the alleged fraud was discovered, Brzezinski provided Toronto Police with all the documentation gathered during the receivership. His client, Tencer, gave police a sworn affidavit and supporting documentation detailing the alleged scheme.

If you have more information on this story or other investigative tips, please email [email protected].
Several other investors also contacted police and offered to give statements. But many investors, including Steiner, did not come forward, believing instead that they would be contacted in the course of the investigation.

Instead, the police brought charges based only on the complaint of Tencer


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/20 ... .html#ixzz15ZaVx6BL
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发表于 2010-11-17 15:50:48 | 只看该作者
老唐上庭回来啦?
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发表于 2010-11-17 16:21:48 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 揭秘 于 2010-11-17 16:27 编辑

torontohankou
Tom Dragon
走马观花
来来来,大家坐下来,我给你们托托开个会
这个会是关于你们职称的问题,你们现在已经正式被批准为---臭唐狗屎托大师
你们扮演的角色很好,在动画片里经常可以看到,你们要充分发挥你们后腿短的优势,以利再战。
祝贺你们,还要继续努力啊!
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发表于 2010-11-17 16:28:38 | 只看该作者
你不是揭秘,你是便秘。
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发表于 2010-11-17 16:31:21 | 只看该作者
托托们确实很辛苦,而且后腿又短,真不容易。
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发表于 2010-11-17 16:33:17 | 只看该作者
torontohankou
Tom Dragon
走马观花
来来来,大家坐下来,我给你们托托开个会
这个会是关于你们职称的问题,你们现在已经正式被批准为---臭唐狗屎托大师
你们扮演的角色很好,在动画片里经常可以看到,你们要充分发挥你们后腿短的优势,以利再战。
祝贺你们,还要继续努力啊!
揭秘 发表于 2010-11-17 16:21 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


做人要讲良心
托托玩命的干,大家都看得见的,你老唐如果只给5毛是说不过去的。
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发表于 2010-11-17 16:35:22 | 只看该作者
谁说给自行车,给什么自行车
再加5毛不就可以了吗,老唐家也没有余量啊。
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发表于 2010-11-17 16:35:49 | 只看该作者
嗯,他说3-5年内一定给,看来又被骗了。
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发表于 2010-11-17 16:37:35 | 只看该作者
明天就先给5毛成不成,不就是5毛吗,穷叨叨啥呀。
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发表于 2010-11-17 16:45:31 | 只看该作者
不行,强烈要求加工资。
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发表于 2010-11-17 17:26:12 | 只看该作者
torontohankou
Tom Dragon
走马观花
来来来,大家坐下来,我给你们托托开个会
这个会是关于你们职称的问题,你们现在已经正式被批准为---臭唐狗屎托大师
你们扮演的角色很好,在动画片里经常可以看到,你们要充分发挥你们后腿短的优势,以利再战。
祝贺你们,还要继续努力啊!
揭秘 发表于 2010-11-17 16:21 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

人家说你愚昧,偶起初还不相信,现在看来倒是有那么几分正确
偶不养狗,不须你随地大小便,你喜欢那气味,自己享受吧
你的后腿再长,行走时依然四肢落地,优势与否,只有你自己知
你是没前途啦,再怎么努力也成不了特立独行的狼
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发表于 2010-11-17 17:49:35 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 揭秘 于 2010-11-17 17:55 编辑

人生在世就是演戏,大家在扮演不同的角色
楼上扮演的是什么角色?不会是光彩的角色吧,就是一个前腿短的家伙的角色,哈哈

,为中国传说的一种动物,犬属,为狼的近亲。由于狈的前腿特别短,所以走路时要爬在狼的身上。有见及此,狈没有独自生活的能力:一旦没有狼的扶助,就不能行动。  
  “狈”这一种动物,是否真正存在仍是一个谜。现时的人们主要认为“狈”其实是被猎户所设的捕兽夹夹断前腿的狼,因为狼是群体生活的动物,不会遗弃自己的同伴,所以会让狈的一双短前腿放在自己背上以便一起行动。  
  最早有关“狈”的记载是出自《酉阳杂俎·广动植》,但尽管如此,当时一直没有人成功把狈活捉,坊间根据其外表猜测其为灌狈。直至中华人民共和国建国初期,曾因进行一次东北地区猎狼行动而捉了一只“狈”,但后来才发现,那只是被捕兽夹夹断前腿,还是怀孕期的母狼。背着这只“狈”的是其伴侣,结果公狼当时放弃逃脱的机会保护“狈”,直至被猎杀。  
  《康熙字典》中“狈”字的解释是:“狈,兽名,狼属也。生子或欠一足二足者。相附而行,离则颠。”这一解释比较合乎科学道理:第一,狈并非传说中的兽,自然界里有狈;第二,狈就是狼生下的畸形后代,一条腿或两条腿发育不全,走起路来要趴在健全的狼身上。狼一离开,就要跌倒。李时珍在《本草纲目》里引《食物本草》中谈到“狈”时说:“狈足前短,能知食所在。狼足后短,负之而行,故曰狼狈。”狼群中的畸形狼较罕见,又难以自己去觅食,存活下来的数量更少。曾有人亲眼在狼群中见到狈的身影,当驱散狼群时,狈趴在地上急得团团转,寸步难行。知道狈就是畸形的狼.
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本帖最后由 torontohankou 于 2010-11-17 18:17 编辑

我很早前就说过一些人造谣生事、恐吓他人,这些人打着合作的旗号,其本质就是狼狈为奸。
楼上的揭秘看来是少有的学究型人物,为了让大家知道什么是狼狈为奸专门查了康熙词典,这种认真的态度值得大家学习。这样大家以后把眼睛擦亮点,就知道谁是狼谁是狈了
Tom兄、花花兄,你们现在该知道我为什么觉得唐先生无辜了吧?倒唐派的水平实在太差。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-17 19:12:30 | 只看该作者
370楼的小酒,看了你的贴,我才知道我回帖竟然跃居榜首。
承蒙大家的关注,轮番对我轰炸,有时让我觉得冤屈,有时让我愤怒,有时让我觉得天地之间无正义,在这样的一种情绪下,加上我曾经专职打字,所以可想而知,一周300贴应该是我的平均水平。
不过写手是你胡乱给我盖的帽子,我不会接。谢谢。
对你的“我是为受骗的苦主打抱不平,你是为骗子“打抱不平”。”实在不以为然,这句话真搞笑!
torontohankou 发表于 2010-11-17 10:01

有没有人说老唐不是骗子?连紫黄都说老唐是骗子,不过他说商场骗子不是罪。老唐自己也说自己是骗子,不过他说这是融资手段。
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