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赵平波:多市警察难道不是无理取闹?

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发表于 2005-11-11 10:03:11 | 只看该作者
我懂!但是有些搞广告的不懂!
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你讲的很清楚
可大家听的很模糊

老百姓能示威
公务员不能
自己赚钱的能
吃皇粮的就不能
你能
警察就不能

这不是双重标准这还能是什麽

其实你会有如此偏差的观念
也不能完全怪你
毕竟像你们这些在集权统治下生活了几十年的人
要一下子接受西方社会维护民权的观念也不是那麽容易的一件事
不过希望你能好好的看好好的在生活中学习
你就会发现维护他人争取权益的态度是很重要的
因为如果你不学著去维护他人的合法权利
别人将来也不会维护你的
懂嘛

看来阁下也是拿一些伪民主的概念唬人而已!
什么叫“民主”?按照古希腊最经典的概念来讲,就是不同的人保持不同意见的权力。现代民主的概念往往要与“自由”联系在一起,但是别忘了,你的“自由”要终止于他人的“自由”,这一点在克林顿访华的时候,已经讲述得非常清楚,我引述的是克林顿的原话。也就是说你的自由不可以妨害他人的自由,这是民主社会最起码的原则!
那么公务人员有没有罢工的自由?我说不应该有!没错!世界上很多国家规定公务人员可以罢工,但我还是要说,公务人员罢工从根本上违反民主原则!为什么?公务人员的薪水从哪里开?是从纳税人的税收里面开!吃纳税的人钱就没有理由不为纳税人服务!如果公务人员享受罢工的权利,就等于是侵犯所有纳税的人合法权利,这难道不是违背民主原则么?如果吃税款的人有罢工的权利,那么纳税人是不是也相应的有“罢税”的权利呢?法律是讲究制衡的,但遗憾的是,我至今也没有看到有这么一条法律!
禁止公务员罢工,对社会、对民主、对法制,都是一种进步,因为这是对纳税人人权的一种尊重!在日本,法律就明确规定禁止公务员罢工,从而使整个社会更加高效,人权更能得到保证。日本与加拿大哪个更发达,我想就不用我说了吧!
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发表于 2005-11-12 20:28:38 | 只看该作者

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看来阁下也是拿一些伪民主的概念唬人而已!
什么叫“民主”?按照古希腊最经典的概念来讲,就是不同的人保持不同意见的权力。现代民主的概念往往要与“自由”联系在一起,但是别忘了,你的“自由”要终止于他人的“自由”,这一点在克林顿访华的时候,已经讲述得非常清楚,我引述的是克林顿的原话。也就是说你的自由不可以妨害他人的自由,这是民主社会最起码的原则!
那么公务人员有没有罢工的自由?我说不应该有!没错!世界上很多国家规定公务人员可以罢工,但我还是要说,公务人员罢工从根本上违反民主原则!为什么?公务人员的薪水从哪里开?是从纳税人的税收里面开!吃纳税的人钱就没有理由不为纳税人服务!如果公务人员享受罢工的权利,就等于是侵犯所有纳税的人合法权利,这难道不是违背民主原则么?如果吃税款的人有罢工的权利,那么纳税人是不是也相应的有“罢税”的权利呢?法律是讲究制衡的,但遗憾的是,我至今也没有看到有这么一条法律!
禁止公务员罢工,对社会、对民主、对法制,都是一种进步,因为这是对纳税人人权的一种尊重!在日本,法律就明确规定禁止公务员罢工,从而使整个社会更加高效,人权更能得到保证。日本与加拿大哪个更发达,我想就不用我说了吧!


支持!支持!警察不是普通的公务员!
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发表于 2005-11-12 20:55:58 | 只看该作者

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支持!支持!警察不是普通的公务员!

多谢支持!
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发表于 2005-11-13 06:40:00 | 只看该作者

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看来阁下也是拿一些伪民主的概念唬人而已!
什么叫“民主”?按照古希腊最经典的概念来讲,就是不同的人保持不同意见的权力。现代民主的概念往往要与“自由”联系在一起,但是别忘了,你的“自由”要终止于他人的“自由”,这一点在克林顿访华的时候,已经讲述得非常清楚,我引述的是克林顿的原话。也就是说你的自由不可以妨害他人的自由,这是民主社会最起码的原则!
那么公务人员有没有罢工的自由?我说不应该有!没错!世界上很多国家规定公务人员可以罢工,但我还是要说,公务人员罢工从根本上违反民主原则!为什么?公务人员的薪水从哪里开?是从纳税人的税收里面开!吃纳税的人钱就没有理由不为纳税人服务!如果公务人员享受罢工的权利,就等于是侵犯所有纳税的人合法权利,这难道不是违背民主原则么?如果吃税款的人有罢工的权利,那么纳税人是不是也相应的有“罢税”的权利呢?法律是讲究制衡的,但遗憾的是,我至今也没有看到有这么一条法律!
禁止公务员罢工,对社会、对民主、对法制,都是一种进步,因为这是对纳税人人权的一种尊重!在日本,法律就明确规定禁止公务员罢工,从而使整个社会更加高效,人权更能得到保证。日本与加拿大哪个更发达,我想就不用我说了吧!

讲得很好!顶!看来有的人的民主自由观念有偏差,以为只要是西方的民主就是好
的。民主自由只是一种形式,是为人,为绝大多数人的利益服务的,如果少数人的民主自由权力侵犯了多数人的,就是对社会的反动,况且是在多数人没有实际的民主自由的条件下。公务员不停的罢工,私营企业有几次?特别是中小企业,难道他们的工资福利就高到不用罢工了?
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根本胡说八道
你说我拿一些伪民主的概念唬人
可我从头到尾完全没跟你谈民主
我谈的是警察有没有权利争取自己合法的权利
你却拿些风马牛不相及的东西来鬼扯淡
你上上下下前前後後哪苹眼睛看到我跟你谈民主啦
我也请你帮帮忙
要就事论事好吧

再说你动不动就把克林顿的话搬出来唬弄人
没出息的我见过
不过像你那麽没出息的就头一回
小时後拿了本茅语录当圣经
长大了就满口克林顿
你有点长进好不好
从头到尾就听你满口引用别人的话来推卸责任
反正话是别人讲的
错了也骂他不骂你


禁止公务员罢工的国家就进步啦
就尊重社会啦

一派胡言

中国肯定禁止公务员罢工
进步了吗尊重了吗高效了吗

还有呀
你刚刚提到的克林顿
美国人的公务员照样会罢工争取权益
中国与美国哪个更发达,我想就不用我说了吧!

请阁下放尊重点!
您用不着上火!咱各说各的理,您也犯不上说谁谁有没有长进,我看阁下倒是真有长进,不过是负的长进而已!
警察当然有权利争取自己合法的权利,但没有权利损害公众的利益!这是我一直要表述的观点!如果您的文法能力不能够理解我的观点的话,建议您补习!
我是满口引用其他人的观点么?除了该引用的引用以外,其它的都是我自己的观点。至于是什么观点,我说过的话,不再重复!
中国跟美国哪个社会更高效?如果硬要这样比的话,我仅给你举一个例子,你自己判断。
朝鲜战争时期,中美两国第一次交手,有如下数据:
1.双方在战场的兵力达到300多万人。美国把自己全部陆军的三分之一、空军的五分之一和海军的近半数投入到朝鲜战场。志愿军兵力最多时为 19个军,共134万余人。
2.有关歼敌与伤亡的数据:
1)1953年10月25日美联社发布的“联合国军”被歼数为147万余人;韩国国防部编写的《韩国战争史》和日本《军事史杂志》公布的被歼数为116万余人;1988年出版的《中国人民志愿军抗美援朝战史》统计数字为,中朝军队共歼敌109万余人(含朝鲜人民军独立作战歼敌13.6万余人),其中美军39万余人,韩军66万余人,其他仆从军2万余人。
2)而志愿军付出的代价为:伤亡共36万余人,(其中阵亡11.5万余人,战伤22.1万余人,事故伤亡和病故等非战斗死亡2.5万余人),失踪、被俘2.9万余人。
3.美军在战争中消耗各种作战物资7300多万吨,开支战费830多亿美元。
而中朝军队消耗各种物资560多万吨,开支战费62.5亿元人民币。

最终在战场上打了个平平!
战争是一个国家实力与社会效率的试金石,数字是最有力的语言!您可以自己看一看哪一边效率更高一些。
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发表于 2005-11-13 22:17:25 | 只看该作者
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/06/04/korea.deaths/

U.S. death toll from Korean War revised downward, Time reports
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June 4, 2000
Web posted at: 7:39 p.m. EDT (2339 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- The Pentagon says a clerical error mistakenly added more than 20,000 noncombatant deaths to the toll of U.S. dead in the Korean War, Time Magazine reported on Sunday.

The Pentagon has revised the number of U.S. soldiers killed during the war from 54,246 to 36,940, the magazine said.

The higher figure has been quoted since shortly after both sides declared a truce in 1953.

Time said the Pentagon blamed the error on a government clerk, who mistakenly added the 20,617 nonbattlefield military deaths that occurred worldwide during the three-year conflict to the more than 33,000 U.S. battlefield fatalities.

But only 3,275 of those nonbattlefield deaths occurred in Korea, the Pentagon said, and most of them were from accidents or disease.
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发表于 2005-11-13 22:25:56 | 只看该作者
"最终在战场上打了个平平!
战争是一个国家实力与社会效率的试金石,数字是最有力的语言!您可以自己看一看哪一边效率更高一些。"
Such a stupid comment.


U.S. MILITARY KOREAN WAR STATISTICS

BATTLE DEAD*    33,686 (*Includes 4,735 findings of presumptive death under the Missing Persons Act)

Killed in Action         23,637
Died of Wounds           2,484
Died While Missing (MIA)           4,759
Died While Captured (POW)           2,806
Total:             33,686

NON-BATTLE DEATHS    2,830

TOTAL DEATHS IN THEATER:    36,516

DIED ELSEWHERE (Worldwide during Korean War)   17,730

WOUNDED (Number of personnel)    92,134

WOUNDED (Number of incidences*)    103,284 (*Includes individual personnel wounded multiple times)

UNACCOUNTED FOR (Bodies not identified/bodies not recovered)   8,176

Prisoner of War         2,045
Killed in Action         1,794
Missing in Action         4,245
Non-battle              92
Total:             8,176

PRISONERS OF WAR    7,245

POWs Returned to U.S. Control         4,418
POWs Who Died While Captured         2,806
POWs Who Refused Repatriation              21
Total:             7,245

NUMBER WHO SERVED WORLDWIDE 5,720,000

NUMBER WHO SERVED IN KOREAN THEATER 1,789,000

SERVICE STATISTICS         Total         ARMY         USAF         USMC         USN
Killed in Action         23, 637         19,754           198         3,321         364
Died of Wounds           2,484           1,904            16            536           28
Died While Missing (MIA)           4,759           3,317           960            385           97
Died While POW/Interned           2,806           2,753             24             26            3
TOTAL BATTLE DEAD         33,686         27,728         1,198         4,268         492
                                                   
Prisoners of War         7,245         5,356         926         677         286
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发表于 2005-11-13 22:30:49 | 只看该作者
It is not shameful because you don't know. It is shameful to pretend to win.
Pay attention to the following lines:

...about 500,000 to 1 million Chinese soldiers were either killed in action or died of disease, starvation, exposure, and accidents.

Is this a great country ? Let soldiers die because of isease, starvation, exposure, and accidents ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_war


Korea
Panmunjeom, Border between South and North Korea at the DMZ
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Panmunjeom, Border between South and North Korea at the DMZ

600,000 Korean soldiers died in the conflict according to US estimates. The total including all civilians and military soldiers from UN Nations and China, was over 2 million deaths. More than a million South Koreans were killed, 85% of them civilians. According to figures published in the Soviet Union, 11.1% of the total population of North Korea perished, which indicates that 1,130,000 people were killed. In sum, about 2,500,000 people were killed, including north and south together. More than 80% of the industrial and public facilities and transportation works, three-quarters of the government offices, and one-half of the houses were destroyed.

The war left the peninsula permanently divided with a garrisoned pro-Soviet, totalitarian led state in North Korea and a pro-American semi-free (though not always democratic until the late 1980s,) republic in the South. American troops remain in Korea as part of the still-functioning United Nations Command, which commands all allied military forces in the ROK - American Air Forces, Korea, the Eighth U.S. Army, and the entire ROK military. The DMZ remains the most heavily-defended border in the world.

    See also: Division of Korea, Korean Demilitarized Zone, Korean reunification

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United States
The first American war dead were brought home aboard the USS Randall, shown here departing Yokohama on March 11, 1951
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The first American war dead were brought home aboard the USS Randall, shown here departing Yokohama on March 11, 1951

There has been some confusion over the previously reported number of 54,246 Korean War deaths. That number was divided by the Defense Department in 1993 into 33,686 battle deaths, 2830 non-battle deaths, and 17,730 deaths of Defense Department personnel outside the Korean theatre [2]. There were also 8,142 US personnel listed as Missing In Action (MIA) during the war. US casualties in Korean war are less than in the Vietnam War, but they occurred in 3 years as opposed to 13 years (1960-1973) in Vietnam. However, advances in medical services such as the Mobile Army Surgical Hospital and the use of rapid transport of the wounded to them such as with helicopters enabled the death rate for UN forces to be much lower than in previous wars. For service during the Korean War, the United States military was issued the Korean Service Medal.

Later neglect of remembrance of this war, in favor of the Vietnam War, World War I and II, has caused the Korean War to be called the Forgotten War or the Unknown War. On July 27, 1995 in Washington, DC, a museum called the Korean War Veterans Memorial was built and dedicated to veterans of the war.

The U.S. military had been caught ill-prepared for the war. Accordingly, after the war, the American defense budget was boosted to $50 billion, the Army was doubled in size, as was the number of Air Groups, and they were deployed beyond American soil in Europe, the Middle East and elsewhere in Asia.

The war also changed America's view of the Third World, most notably in Indochina. Before 1950 the Americans had been very critical of French endeavours to reestablish its presence there against local resistance; after Korea they began to heavily support the French against the Viet Minh and other nationalist-communist local parties, paying for up to 80% of the French military budget in Vietnam.

The Korean War also saw the beginning of racial integration efforts in the US military service, where African Americans fought in integrated units. President Truman signed Executive Order 9981 on July 26, 1948, calling on the armed forces to provide equal treatment and opportunity for black servicemen. The extent by which Truman's 1948 orders were carried out varied among the branches of the military, with segregated units still in deployment at the start of the conflict, and eventually integrating towards the end of the war.

The United States still maintains a heavy military presence in Korea, as part of the effort to uphold the armistice between South and North Korea. A special service decoration, known as the Korea Defense Service Medal is authorized for U.S. service members who serve a tour of duty in Korea.
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China

From official Chinese sources, PVA casualty during the Korean war was 390,000. It breaks down as follows: 110,400 KIA; 21,600 died of wounds; 13,000 died of sickness; 25,600 MIA/POW; and 260,000 more WIA. However various Western and Eastern sources estimate that about 500,000 to 1 million Chinese soldiers were either killed in action or died of disease, starvation, exposure, and accidents. Overall total Chinese killed, wounded and missing equal to about less than 1 million. Chairman Mao's only healthy son, Mao Anying, was also killed as a PVA during the war.

As the PVA rotated about 2 million troops during the war. The casualties figure of most western sources seems too high. If the PVA suffed 500,000 casualties (1/4 of all troops rotated) or 1,000,000 casualties (1/2 of all troops rotated) the PVA would be so weaken that they would not be able to defend the line let alone mount any meaningful offensive. However, as the battle line hardly moved from 1951 to 1953 the high casualties figure should be greatly scrutinized.

The Korean War also led to other long lasting effects. Until the conflict in Korea, the United States had largely abandoned the government of Chiang Kai-Shek, which had retreated to Taiwan, and had no plans to intervene the Chinese civil war. The start of the Korean War rendered untenable any policy that would have caused Taiwan to fall under Communist control and Truman's decision to send American forces into the Taiwan straits saved the Kuomintang's government from defeat and ended any immediate hopes of conquering that island for the Communist Party of China. The anti-communist atmosphere in the West in response to the Korean War contributed to the unwillingness to diplomatically recognize the People's Republic of China by the West until the 1970s.

It also contributed to the decline of Sino-Soviet relations. Although Chinese had their own reasons to enter the war (i.e. a strategic buffer zone in Korean peninsula), the view that the Soviets had used them as proxies was shared in the Western bloc. China had to use the Soviet loan, which had been originally intended to rebuild their destroyed economy, to pay for the Soviet arms. However, the fact that Chinese forces held their own against American forces in this war heralded that China was once again becoming a major world power. The war is generally seen as an honour in the People's Republic of China history by most Chinese as it was the first time in a century a Chinese army was able to withstand a Western army in a major conflict, in spite of China's heavy losses.
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Japan

Japan was politically disturbed both from the security threat to Japan because of the initial defeat of South Korea and from left-wing activities in support of North Korea and aiming to bring about a revolution in Japan. Additionally, as American occupation armies were dispatched to Korean peninsula, Japan's security became problematic; the Japan Self-Defense Forces was established. The signing of the Treaty of Peace with Japan was also hastened to return Japan back into international communities. In the eyes of some American policy makers, the non-belligerency clause in the constitution was already being considered a "mistake" by 1953.

Economically, Japan was able to benefit from the war. American material requirements were organized through a Special Procurements system, which allowed for local purchasing without the complex Pentagon procurement system. Over $3.5 billion was spent with Japanese companies, peaking at $809 million in 1953. The zaibatsu went from being distrusted to being encouraged — Mitsui, Mitsubishi and Sumitomo were amongst the zaibatsu that thrived, not only on orders from the military but through American industrial experts, including W. Edwards Deming. Japanese manufacturing grew by 50% between March 1950 and 1951. By 1952, pre-war standards of living were regained and output was twice the level of 1949. Becoming an independent country due to the treaty of San Francisco also saved Japan from the burden of expense of the occupation forces.
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Europe

    Main article: European Defense Community

The outbreak of the Korean War convinced Western leaders of the growing threat of international communism. The United States began to encourage Western European countries, West Germany included, to contribute to their own defense. German rearmament, however, was perceived as a threat by its neighbours, especially France. As the Korean War continued, however, opposition to rearmament lessened and China's entry in the war caused France to revise its position towards German rearmament. To contain a newly-armed Germany, French officials proposed the creation of the European Defense Community (EDC), a supranational organisation, under the aegis of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

The end of the Korean War reduced the perceived Communist threat, and thus it reduced the necessity of such an organisation. The French Parliament postponed the ratification of the EDC Treaty sine die (i.e. without a clear date). This rejection in the French Parliament was caused by Gaullist fears that the creation of the EDC threatened France's national sovereignty. The EDC was never ratified, and the initiative collapsed in August 1954.
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发表于 2005-11-13 22:53:16 | 只看该作者
“无所谓”,用不着跟我这拽意大利语,我根本就懒得理您!您的贴子我根本就不看!
56#
发表于 2005-11-14 18:07:51 | 只看该作者

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我现在已经不想建议你去读书呀或是去学习什麽的
因为那些东西对你已经没有用了
你现在需要的是个医生
你知道吗
你已经开始进入发高烧40度时所产生的呓语状态中

你居然可以从公务员有没有罢工的权利
扯到西方民主政治的优越性
进而延伸至50年前的小米加步枪
我看了都昏倒
追都追不到

我的直觉告诉我
你下一篇回应的主题
可能是公务员罢工的权利与神舟计画发展之间相互关系之我见

我也给阁下您一点建议:您还是回家吃点补品补补脑子再出来发言吧!
你问公务员罢工的权利,我就回答你公务员罢工的危害是什么,如何违背民主原则,是不应该有的权利;你问中美两国哪个效率更高,我就举个打仗例子说明一下哪一个效率更高。回答与提问都是相关的,大家都看得懂,怎么独独你看不懂呢?只能表明问题出在你身上了!
别的闲把儿咱先甭扯,咱还是讨论公务员罢工的问题。本人坚持认为公务员罢工有百害而无一利!无论从理论还是实际情况来看,都印证了我的观点。本人来加不到五年,已经亲身经历了政府官员罢工,教师罢工,医生罢工,等等,等等。我是纳税人,我深知我在加拿大所缴的每一分钱税都是在养活这群尸位素餐的老爷们,而我没有权力不缴税,即便我在明知他们又扯个什么荒唐的理由不干活的情况下。
公务员罢工的社会危害性是显而易见的,得益的是极少数,而受害的是大多数纳税人,这里面包括你,也包括我,但是可笑的是,某些人竟然蠢到明明自己已经是受害者,却声嘶力竭地为那些人害人的人张目,说句不中听的话,“被人卖了还在给别人数钱呢”,让人可叹!
57#
发表于 2005-11-14 19:26:02 | 只看该作者
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“无所谓”,用不着跟我这拽意大利语,我根本就懒得理您!您的贴子我根本就不看!  (y)
    
58#
发表于 2005-11-14 20:09:18 | 只看该作者

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用抗美援朝小米加步枪战争的结果证明中美2国社会的效率高低关系
然後还大言不残的说两者之间有其相关性
更可笑的是你居然可以睁著眼说瞎话说大家都看的懂
脸皮厚的不是没看过
不过那麽厚的倒是头1回

既然你知道你离题离的太远了
我们就先回题
首先你要明了
任何型式的罢工都是对资方而言都是有害的
那就是罢工的目的
就是要对资方造成伤害
进一步让资方妥协
达成劳方的要求

要是罢工无法造成损害
那我罢来干嘛

在一个多元化的国家
因为维护某些人的权益而对社会造成暂时性不稳定的现象
是在所难免的

你来这里还不到5年
你最好做好思想准备
在这个国家
发展不是硬道理
稳定也不大於一切
如果你无法适应
劝你趁早另谋他处
哪边凉快哪边呆

公务员一但使用罢工来达到他们要求的结果
对整个社会的杀伤力远超过其他行业
但是不应该就此否定公务员有这麽做的权力
你认为荒唐的理由
别人看起来很严肃

就像有些人要担保他们的父母移民加拿大
还跑到移民部长办公室前面抗议
我也很不爽
你家大人来加拿大养老
我做的要死要活帮你埋单
就算我不喜欢他们上街的理由
但是不能否定他们上街的权力

建议阁下先把错别字问题解决了再来发言!
小米加步枪打退了飞机坦克不证明中国社会的效率高,难道还能证明美帝的效率高么?这种起码逻辑还用我来教你么?蠢才我见过,没见过你这么蠢的!
我也根本没说过“发展是硬道理”,“稳定大于一切”的话,这些话都是你自己编出来的!本人根本不会予以理睬!“哪边凉快哪边呆”是你说了算么?我敢打赌你没那权力,也没那本事!所以今后请注意,不要用凭空捏造出来的东西作论据与人辩论,否则后果只能是自取其辱!
“任何型式的罢工都是对资方而言都是有害的”,没错!这句话我太同意了!但是请问,公务员与纳税人之间是劳资关系么?如果是劳资关系的话,那么请问生产成本是什么?产品是什么?利润怎么产生?怎么计算?公务员给纳税人创造利润了么?如果这些都没有的话,那么就不存在劳资关系,公务员罢工就不存在法理依据!这个问题别人看来很严肃,在我看来更严肃!
移民部长也是公务员之一,不要说移民部长,加拿大的总理,美国的总统,都是公务员之一。请记住,是我,是你这样的纳税人,用自己的税款养活了他们,而不是相反!是他们应该听纳税人的意见,而不是相反!所以纳税人提出的要求是正当的,纳税人提出有关家人团聚的要求是正当的,无可指责!
59#
发表于 2005-11-15 19:00:23 | 只看该作者

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既然你认为中国社会的效率优於美国
那为什麽直至今日
每天仍有千千万万的中国人
抛头颅洒热血千方百计的想法子到美国讨生活
有些甚至连小命都丢掉
岂不怪哉
如果一场战争的结果就能证明其交战双方社会效率的优劣
那这个世界就成地狱了

公务员跟纳税人并没有劳资关系
请你不要搞错

跟公务员有劳资关系的是政府

纳税人只是消费者

我们在解释他们之间的关系的时候
可是试著把范围缩小一点
这样子你那单纯的脑子比较容易消化

例如
你出生时住的那栋破公寓
他的屋龄老旧破烂不堪
管理其糟无比
住户良莠不齐
保安还会虐打对管理有意见的住户
生活条件一无是处

於是你长大了以後
千方百计的攒了一点钱
买了一栋新的Condo(国家)
好不容易经过一翻折腾搬了进去
结果发现
居住环境各项条件确实比以前好
可是管理费(税金)却比以前高出好多好多
然後搬进去的第一天
管理公司(执政党政府)就给了你一本厚厚的住户守则(法律)要你遵守
这本住户守则中就有一条写著
住户必须要缴交管理费
由管理公司用住户缴纳的管理费聘请员工(公务员)处理这栋大楼的各项公共事务

过了不久
这个管理公司的员工觉得
他们所得已经え嵩郮他们的需求了
於是他们就要求工会代表跟公司谈判要求加薪
很不幸地谈判破裂了
工会就决定举行罢工

这一罢工不得了
大楼电梯坏了也没有人修理了
花花草草也没人浇水修剪了
走廊电灯泡烧了也没人管
垃圾也没人收
基本上整个大楼运作就瘫痪了

请问即使如此
你有没有权力罢缴管理费
你有没有权力跑到这群员工家里把他们一个个从被窝里拽起来叫他们开工
你有没有权力对这些由管理公司聘请的员工说
嘿你们的薪水都是由我的管理费出的
所以你们没有不工作的权利

很抱歉你统统没有
除非你搬离这栋大楼(哪边凉快哪边呆)

你能做的就是
协调住户代表(国会议员)
由他们提出动议
更换一个更好的管理公司

至於你说的什麽公务员罢工就不存在法理依据
我并不认为这种事你说了就算
不但是警察还是其实公务员
在加拿大
就连老师
医生护士
收垃圾的统统有罢工的权力
而且这样的权力还是宪法保障的

你也没那麽大的作用去改变这样一个事实现状

你唯一能做的就是接受承受

你不爽
又如何

呵呵!你终于承认“纳税人只是消费者”了!那么请问消费者是什么?“顾客就是上帝”大概不是说着玩的吧!如果一个店员收了钱,而拒绝为顾客服务属于什么行为?是抢劫行为!作为消费者不但可以拒付任何可能的费用,还可以把商家跟店员都告上法庭!这是天经地义的事情。
如果消费者没有维护自身权益的正常渠道,那就证明了制度的不合理,制度不合理就应该设法去改变。制度不合理而不去设法改变,那就是对自己的不尊重。
您大概没在香港开过店吧?香港之所以成为全世界的购物天堂就是因为商家与店员对顾客绝对的尊重!
当然了,退一步讲,在加拿大这种未开化的野蛮之地,咱不期望它象香港一样文明,但是我们可以通过我们的努力去改变它。一个人力量不够就两个人,两个人的力量不够就再加上更多的人。
世界上没有一成不变的法律,今天法律规定公务员罢工合法,没准通过我们大家的努力,明天法律就规定它不合法,不受法律保护,也未可知。
你不爽
又如何
60#
发表于 2005-11-15 22:36:31 | 只看该作者

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我怕你永远也找不到人来帮你把加拿大变成西方的香港

还有
你干嘛放著高效率的社会不呆
跑到加拿大这个蛮荒之地来干嘛

学强.伟恩当快枪侠搞西部大开垦呀

老套的问题,我的回答是:我呆在哪儿你管得着么?
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