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赵平波:多市警察难道不是无理取闹?

16#
发表于 2005-11-9 20:35:38 | 只看该作者

回复:回复:愤慨愤慨!

最初由[Horizon]发布
回复:愤慨愤慨!



没错,坚决顶!

这就是加拿大!所谓的民主自由。政府总是帮助无赖再次抢老百姓的钱。谁有办法改变?我们都选他。
17#
发表于 2005-11-9 20:43:10 | 只看该作者

警察

还是不能说警察是无赖,应该说工会那帮人是无赖!为了一己之私损害国家和公众利益。政府此时显得太无能了。
18#
发表于 2005-11-9 21:04:35 | 只看该作者
说得对,说得好,支持一下,投你一票。
19#
发表于 2005-11-9 21:17:50 | 只看该作者
最初由[群乐茶掌柜]发布
凡事都有个上行下效的问题,既然警察可以带着枪游行,咱们将来就抗着迫击炮示威算了。

What is 上行下效 ?  Do you mean they are upper, we are lower ? So we follow what they've done is correct, right ?

I mean we are equal. I dont want to pissy you off.   
Just remind you we are in Canada not China. There is no people are supposed to be superior to others, then there is no upeer and lower.
We have diverse life style and income, that is not to say someone have rights to be super.

Even if they are wrong, do you think we need be worse than wrong behaviors ?
20#
发表于 2005-11-9 21:27:22 | 只看该作者
Police deal costs city $60M
Backroom talks led to tentative deal
Key work schedule issue pulled off table
Nov. 9, 2005. 06:42 AM
JOHN DUNCANSON AND TRACY HUFFMAN
STAFF REPORTERS

It was old-fashioned backroom dealing and not just hard negotiations that lead to the breakthrough tentative agreement yesterday that put Toronto police back at the top of the pay scale among Ontario forces.

Both sides claimed it was a good deal but details emerging out of the 30-hour marathon negotiations showed the police board was the big loser. It is estimated the deal, reached at 7:15 a.m. yesterday, will cost the city an extra $60 million for policing over the life of the three-year contract.

On top of that, police officers will continue their job action — refusing to issue traffic tickets and wearing baseball caps instead of regulation police hats — until the deal is ratified, a process that could take three weeks.

One of the key issues — the compressed work week schedule — was pulled off the table by the board and will now be the subject of separate talks by a joint committee. If they can't resolve the issue in three years, the issue will go to arbitration.

Just last week, vice-chair Pam McConnell said the work schedule was key to saving money and putting more officers on the street. "This is about dollars and sense," she said at the time.

Not only did the board give up its fight over its insistence that officers work an additional 3.5 hours a month, it also yielded on the other two key issues: retention pay for senior officers and the length of the contract, according to sources.

"You don't always get what you want," McConnell said. "We believe we accomplished all our goals."

But a senior police official said: "The union got what they wanted."

Tired and drained from the lengthy negotiations, police board chair Alok Mukherjee said the job action played no part in reaching what he called a fair tentative agreement. He did not admit defeat and would not comment on the details of the deal until it has been ratified.

"We believe that this tentative agreement best balances the interests of the board, the men and women of the Toronto Police Service and most importantly the people of Toronto."

Toronto Police Association president Dave Wilson said members will not return to official police attire and regular patrol duties until the contract is ratified. "We will continue with job action. (Until the ratification vote and) discipline issues are resolved to our satisfaction."

Wilson declined to discuss the issues further, saying he preferred to focus on the positives.

Members of the association began a job action Oct. 11, trading in their police hats for association baseball caps. The action quickly escalated with officers refusing to write traffic tickets, only responding to radio calls, and parking their patrol cars between calls. So far the city has lost $1.7 million in ticket revenues because of the job action.

Chief Bill Blair, who was not directly involved with the negotiations, said he was "very, very pleased" a tentative deal had been reached, and hoped the focus could return to policing. An internal investigation is continuing into officers who defied the chief's order not to wear their uniforms to a Nov. 2 rally outside City Hall, Blair said.

"Matters of discipline are not in any way related to contract negotiations. ... They are totally unrelated to today's tentative agreement," Blair said.

The genesis of the tentative deal began with a phone call between two old friends just hours after the union announced 2 1/2 weeks ago that it was going to park its cruisers and only answer radio calls.

The conversation on Oct. 20 was between former police union boss turned broadcaster Craig Bromell and Ralph Lean, the legendary bagman and chief fundraiser for Mayor David Miller's re-election campaign.

`Matters of discipline are not in any way related to contract negotiations'

Police Chief Bill Blair

If the dispute had dragged on, the police job action could have become a major issue in next November's municipal election with Miller being labelled as soft on crime and non-supportive of his police force, the source said.

Also, if the whole messy matter had gone to arbitration, chances were the board would have had an uphill battle getting a decision that included major clawbacks. Arbitration can be a slow process, dragging on for months and possibly into the middle of Miller's re-election campaign.

So, according to sources, the question put to Bromell by Lean was: "How do we get this done?"

The solution that was arrived at by both men, the sources said, was a one-year deal that included removing the contentious issue of the compressed work week by sending it to a joint committee of union and board officials for further study.

Miller was behind the plan but the union rejected it because it wanted a three-year deal.

That failed plan for resolving the contract dispute was the blueprint for yesterday's tentative deal.

After last Wednesday's rally at Nathan Phillips Square, the plan again gained traction. This time, however, it was Hugh Mansfield, of Mansfield Communications, who got the ball rolling. Mansfield's client is the Toronto Police Association and he contacted Lean, sources said.

On Friday, Lean then called Bruce Scott, executive assistant to the mayor. Talks between Lean, Mansfield and Scott continued Saturday when the trio tried to find common ground to bring the sides back to the table.

By Sunday, they had achieved their goal with the union and police board resuming discussions that night. Their job done, the three men simply stayed back and waited for word that a deal had been reached, sources said.

"They sent the pitbull (McConnell) in and when it failed, they decided they needed an out," said one source familiar with the negotiations.

Wilson held an afternoon news conference yesterday, calling the deal a good one. A meeting of the 7,700-member association will be held Sunday when Wilson will present the details of the proposed deal. He said ratifying the deal could take up to three weeks.

The deal includes a 3.75-per-cent raise in the first year to make Toronto officers the highest paid in Ontario, but just by "a cup of coffee" over officers in Peel Region, said a source familiar with the deal. The officers will get a 3.1-per-cent raise in the second year and 3 per cent in the final year of the contract. The board had asked for a four-year deal.

The contract will improve policing and enhance safety for all residents, Mukherjee said. One of the board's priorities during talks was to ensure it had enough money to hire more front-line officers. McConnell said the board remains committed to hiring 50 more officers this year and 150 next year.

"This is a deal everyone can live with," she said. But both McConnell and Mukherjee couldn't provide concrete examples of how this deal will accomplish savings and better police resources.

Miller said he was also pleased with the tentative deal

"The agreement gives the officers what they've been asking for and what they deserve, which is to be the best paid in the province of Ontario. It also gives the City of Toronto and the police board what they needed: the ability to work with the officers to find better ways to get them on the streets when they're needed," he said.

Reached yesterday, Bromell said he didn't have any comment on the contract negations. Lean could not be reached for comment.

with files by Vanessa Lu, Phinjo Gombu and Linda Diebel
21#
发表于 2005-11-9 21:29:51 | 只看该作者
Source: www.thestar.com   , find by "toronto police"

Police deal costs city $60M
2005-11-09 00:38:57  [GTA]
Must negotiate in civil manner
2005-11-08 19:55:18  [Letters]
Law and disorder

Police battle over but war isn't
2005-11-08 16:26:14  [News]
There’s a deal with the police, but the fight hasn’t ended. A tentative settlement reached this morning won’t end the job action, the Toronto Police Association says, raising the possibility of a showdown with Police Chief Bill Blair over the issue of discipline planned against about 150 officers who defied the chief at a police protest last week.

Police and city talking again
2005-11-08 00:12:32  [GTA]
The police services board says it could save $5 million and put 100 more officers on the street if 2,400 primary response officers on the compressed week schedule put in an additional 3.5 hours per month, Betsy Powell reports.

Cross safely, walkers urged
2005-11-08 00:00:25  [GTA]
November is usually a bad month for pedestrian accidents, and with 25 fatalities already this year Toronto police want to change that trend.

City has responded to boy's mother
2005-11-07 19:10:53  [Letters]
Halloween terror much too real for one teen

Ontario pushes for tougher gun laws
2005-11-07 11:41:43  [National]
The Ontario government will demand an increase in mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes at today's meeting of federal and provincial justice ministers, confidential documents show. Robert Benzie reports.

Law and disorder
2005-11-06 19:46:14  [News]
The vicious contract dispute between the Toronto Police Services Board and the Toronto Police Association is about much more than a decent deal for cops or what the city can afford to pay them. Linda Diebel lifts the veil on a contract dispute that's getting personal.

Police union and its leader face lawsuit
2005-11-04 21:40:01  [GTA]
Toronto police union president Dave Wilson, embroiled in a contract dispute with the city over officers' salaries, has been served with a $750,000 lawsuit for allegedly making derogatory remarks about his predecessor, Rick McIntosh.

Chief's authority is being ignored
2005-11-04 19:37:40  [Letters]
Officers defy chief
22#
发表于 2005-11-9 21:36:17 | 只看该作者
Mr. Zhao's new saying :
"达成了薪酬协议以后,多伦多警察工会还是不干,扬言警察怠工行动还要继续,原因何在?原因就在于,多伦多警察总长布莱尔坚持,对于在游行示威中穿着警服甚至拿着枪的警官要按章处理。而工会方面则认为,这件事情要大事化小、小事化了。"  ? ?? ?

Paper in star:

"On top of that, police officers will continue their job action — refusing to issue traffic tickets and wearing baseball caps instead of regulation police hats — until the deal is ratified, a process that could take three weeks."

Read news from different sources. Make your own judgement.
23#
发表于 2005-11-9 23:12:29 | 只看该作者

事实必须澄清

你可以批评笔者的观点,但笔者的阐述是不是有事实依据,必须澄清一下,以下是今天明报A3版的原文:

据报道,警察工会曾电话联系布莱尔,希望他能够将纪律处分一事大事化小、小事化无。但布莱尔拒绝了工会的要求。对此,警察工会主席威尔逊表示:“警察按章行动仍将继续,直到处罚警员一事能有一个让我们满意的结果。”

笔者的以下评论与以上文字有何出入吗?Wu Suo Wei先生是否认为明报的以上描述有事实出入?

最初由[Wu Suo Wei]发布
Mr. Zhao's new saying :
"达成了薪酬协议以后,多伦多警察工会还是不干,扬言警察怠工行动还要继续,原因何在?原因就在于,多伦多警察总长布莱尔坚持,对于在游行示威中穿着警服甚至拿着枪的警官要按章处理。而工会方面则认为,这件事情要大事化小、小事化了。"  ? ?? ?

Paper in star:

"On top of that, police officers will continue their job action — refusing to issue traffic tickets and wearing baseball caps instead of regulation police hats — until the deal is ratified, a process that could take three weeks."

Read news from different sources. Make your own judgement.
24#
发表于 2005-11-9 23:40:17 | 只看该作者
广告管理员发评论是不是有点大才小用了?师出无名。照理,出来换个马甲比较合适些!
25#
发表于 2005-11-10 00:02:17 | 只看该作者
我们拿低收入的移民也应该游行,提高最低收入到15刀
26#
发表于 2005-11-10 00:14:12 | 只看该作者

回复:只准自己放火~严禁他人点灯~~说的就你这种家伙

最初由[铁拳无敌金大苹]发布
只准自己放火~严禁他人点灯~~说的就你这种家伙

你游行就叫合情合理争取权益(3月11日担保父母团聚游行)

别人游行就叫无理取闹无法无天

根本双重标准

您老说得太对了!全体警哥警妹爱死你了!
27#
发表于 2005-11-10 00:30:11 | 只看该作者
警察要有好东东,那“警匪一家”不就是错的了吗?那“天下乌鸦一般黑”又怎么讲?
有个加拿大人跟我说,他的叔叔是警察,一大帮cousins 都是警察。要是截下来大麻,就由他们消灭掉了。这帮警察亲戚发誓说,没有不抽大麻的警察。
有个警察跟我说,他最喜欢的工作是去球场维持秩序,至少有两倍半的工资开。出庭也不错,有两倍。
至于滥用职权,骄横跋扈,无中生有,撒谎打屁,那就多了去了。我这些年和警察打过不少交道,一句话,没有一个好的。使我充分理解了恐怖分子是怎么来的。
28#
发表于 2005-11-10 00:36:45 | 只看该作者

不知道加拿大是不是也有这些舵主存在?

29#
发表于 2005-11-10 08:49:15 | 只看该作者

请管理员帮忙,急盼!

昨天有一篇关于居民和商务用电的文章,无法看到,特别想看,帮忙发到我邮箱里。万分感谢!!!
30#
发表于 2005-11-10 09:32:20 | 只看该作者
警察应该有发表自己声音和维护自己权益的自由,警长按章办事也无可厚非。最可气的是那些工会,榨取纳税人的钱两面做人,一方面抗着警察的利益来要侠警长涨工资,一方面又以警长要压制“闹事”警察为由希望息事宁人。大事化小,小事化了。真正从中获益的是那些工会,他们希望的是维系他们生存的机会。真正受害的是民众,他们为此要交更多的税,而治安却每况愈下。
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