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表达个人诉求:何革胜要去医院外抗议

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发表于 2009-5-21 13:14:35 | 只看该作者

回复:回复:回复:不得不回应“小心谨慎”和“不差钱”

你抗议结果还不是为了钱,人不能白死吧
医生不是神仙,这个你妈妈应该知道,对于死亡率是90%以上的突发羊水阻塞,你非要追求医生责任宽恕别人,就是爱自己,每天生活在怨恨中有意义吗,难道拿到10万就是对于死者
安慰吗,自己悄悄去了,这种丢人现眼大事情还要大家陪伴你一起吗


这事要是发生在中国,你会说这样的话吗?你恨不得全中国人都去抗议。可见你们这些洋奴的丑恶嘴脸。
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发表于 2009-5-21 13:17:52 | 只看该作者
总是有一些人冷嘲热讽.假如这种不幸事件发生在你家,你还拿那样冷血吗?

人没了,难道不能索赔?打个比方,要不然,开汽车为何强制要求买保险?


对何先生的不幸深表同情,只要能出力,一定尽力帮助!另外,何先生不要同一些极少数的垃圾计较和解释。

另外,这种医疗事故有没有医院保险公司赔偿?
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发表于 2009-5-21 13:27:50 | 只看该作者
总是有一些人冷嘲热讽.假如这种不幸事件发生在你家,你还拿那样冷血吗?

人没了,难道不能索赔?要不然,汽车保险干吗用?


对何先生的不幸深表同情,只要能出力,一定尽力帮助!

另外,这种医疗事故又没有医院保险公司赔偿?



人没了, 你当然可以索赔。 但对方赔不赔并不是根据你的愿望来决定的, 所以才需要有经验专门处理医疗索赔的律师来帮你考量。 如果律师都认为打不赢, 你自己去示威就能要来钱?

最后提醒各位一句, 不要随便就给定性为医疗事故, 你自己可是痛快了, 耽误了别人可就不太好

另外如果你真想帮他, 建个捐款账户就好了, 再在网上煽动煽动, 没准比示威结果好很多
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发表于 2009-5-21 13:28:30 | 只看该作者

回复:回复:回复:回复:不得不回应“小心谨慎”和“不差钱”

这事要是发生在中国,你会说这样的话吗?你恨不得全中国人都去抗议。可见你们这些洋奴的丑恶嘴脸。


这事要是发生在中国,51网上的独运轮又得兴奋好久了。它们马上就会发帖,说主治医生是某政协委员的儿子/女儿,或者是卫生局长的内弟,云云,然后大张旗鼓声讨“党妈”草菅人命的“滔天罪行”。 。 。
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发表于 2009-5-21 13:32:43 | 只看该作者

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这事要是发生在中国,51网上的独运轮又得兴奋好久了。它们马上就会发帖,说主治医生是某政协委员的儿子/女儿,或者是卫生局长的内弟,云云,然后大张旗鼓声讨“党妈”草菅人命的“滔天罪行”。 。 。



这事儿全世界哪儿都有, 中国更多一些

产妇死亡多因产后大出血 去年广州50多名产妇死亡
2006-08-13 08:49:12 南方都市报网络版

  “产妇产后大出血,血压95/50 mm Hg,脉搏每分126次,呼吸每分22次!”“给我准备手术衣,准备刀片!”昨天(12日)上午,一场别开生面的产妇产后大出血抢救演习在广东省妇幼保健院进行。该院产科赵少飞主任指出,产后出血在产妇六大“杀手”中排名第一,去年广州共有50多名产妇死亡,90%因为地下接生产后大出血所致。

  昨天上午的演习中,香港伊利莎伯医院妇产科主任黄汉光教授等人来到现场观摩。演习模拟广东省妇幼保健院产后区护士常规查房,发现一名由外院转来的刚生育巨大儿、有重子痫前期的产妇发生产后大出血,护士迅速执行止血,让病人平卧、吸氧、保暖,并给病人带上遮光眼镜,防止强光刺激造成抽搐。在保守治疗无效的情况下,医生当机立断:“马上启动产后出血预警机制!”产科、内科等进行紧急科间会诊,在充分考虑到病人的最大利益及得到病人家属的充分支持下,医生执行子宫切除术,成功保住产妇生命。

  据赵少飞介绍,产后出血往往发病突然来势凶猛,如不抢救及时,可直接危害产妇生命。在产妇死亡的六大杀手中,产后大出血排在第一位。

  据了解,尽管广东2005年孕产妇死亡率已由2000年的31.47/10万下降到17.44/10万,但与发达国家孕产妇死亡率平均为8 /10万有着较明显的差距。同时,不法的地下接生直接危害到产妇及新生儿的生命。去年,广州共发生50多名产妇死亡,有90%是因为地下接生产后大出血造成。
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发表于 2009-5-21 13:35:24 | 只看该作者

回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:不得不回应“小心谨慎”和“不差钱”

这事要是发生在中国,51网上的独运轮又得兴奋好久了。它们马上就会发帖,说主治医生是某政协委员的儿子/女儿,或者是卫生局长的内弟,云云,然后大张旗鼓声讨“党妈”草菅人命的“滔天罪行”。 。 。


下面这个更接近些


女子产后大出血死亡 医院有过失赔产妇家属32万

2008年01月31日08:18  来源:人民网--《京华时报》
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  邹先生的妻子在丰台医院分娩后,因产后大出血不幸去世。邹先生和家人将医院诉至法院索赔。昨天,丰台法院一审认定医院存在一定过失,判决其赔偿产妇家属各项损失共计32万余元。

  去年1月8日,邹先生的妻子黄女士入住丰台医院待产。医生检查后估计胎儿体重在8斤左右。黄女士虽然是生第二胎,但医院考虑其身高仅1.5米,距前次分娩已9年,自然分娩有一定难度,于是决定给她施行剖腹产手术。

  当天下午2点50分,黄女士剖腹产产下一女婴,体重7.9斤。下午6点,黄女士开始出现阴道出血,后又出现呼之不应、面色苍白等症状,医院对她进行了治疗。晚上11点,黄女士休克,阴道大量出血。医院对她实施了子宫切除手术后,她处于昏迷状态。2天后,她因抢救无效死亡。

  经诊断,黄女士的死因为多脏器功能衰竭、弥漫性血管内凝血、休克、羊水栓塞、产后出血。

  认为医院应对黄女士的死亡承担全部责任,邹先生和孩子及岳父母一起将医院告上法院,索赔医疗费等共计155万余元。

  法庭上,院方辩称,医院对黄女士从剖腹产手术到抢救都没有过错。黄女士的死因是羊水栓塞,这在医学上死亡率为80%以上。

  法院随后委托北京市医学会对此医疗争议是否构成医疗事故进行了鉴定。专家分析后认为,院方在剖宫产术后的观察和处理方面存在医疗过失。此过失与产妇死亡有一定的因果关系。但产妇死亡的主要原因是羊水栓塞,即使得到了及时救治,其死亡率仍很高。医方的医疗过失只起了次要作用,医方应负次要责任。法院随后根据医学会的鉴定结论,判决医院赔偿孕妇家属共计32万余元。
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发表于 2009-5-21 13:47:08 | 只看该作者

我觉得楼主只想要一个第三方的结论吧

就像是你被警察的车撞了,然后警察说警察没责任,或一人一半。
怎么也应该有一个第三方的调查吧。
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发表于 2009-5-21 13:51:59 | 只看该作者
Medical Malpractice Essential Elements in Establishing a  Plaintiff's Claim in Ontario

By Richard Marks  

The litigation of a medical malpractice case is one of the most difficult types of claim facing a professional litigation lawyer.

Although the basic principles are relatively straightforward, it is the subject matter which causes the most degree of difficulty and the atmosphere of developing the factual basis for claim that generates the greatest challenge.

In order to establish a claim, it is necessary to demonstrate that there has been a breach in the standard of care and that except for this breach, the damage would not have occurred.

Standard of Care

A breach of the standard of care requires that the plaintiff establish that the defendant physician has failed to provide the care to his patient which an average physician of the same academic qualification licensed to practice in the same area would have provided to that patient.  In other words, it is not the standard which the most skillful physician would have provided nor is it the standard which the least skillful physician would have provided.  Nevertheless, in order to be successful, in our experience we have found that it is necessary to establish basically to the court that no physician practicing in that area would have conducted his practice in the same manner.

It is important to note that a mere error in judgment is not sufficient to establish a breach in the standard of care.  In other words, a physician is given liberty to exercise his judgment in determining a question of diagnosis and/or treatment relating to the patient.  Again, the level of proof basically equates to a statement that no physician would have judged the circumstances in the same manner which this physician did.  The breach in the standard of care can arise in many different ways, the most common of which includes any of the following:

-          sub-standard skill exercised in the performance of a surgical procedure;

-          sub-standard care in the diagnosis of the patient's condition;

-          sub-standard care in the recommendation for treatment;

-          sub-standard care in the failure to provide adequate warning of the potential risks of any treatment and/or surgical procedure



A.  Sub-standard care in the performance of a surgical procedure

Generally, every surgeon is expected to bring to the performance of his surgery that degree of skill which the average practitioner of that surgical procedure would bring to the operation.  In our experience, these are difficult to establish since no one was available to actually observe the procedure being conducted and a reconstruction to show the inadvertence of a cut too deep or in the wrong place in relation to the joining of organs or tissue are extremely difficult to reconstruct.

B.      Sub-standard care in the diagnosis of the patient's condition

In every circumstance, a physician is required to make a differential diagnosis of potential causes of the plaintiff's illness and to propose a plan of action to deal with it.  It's obvious that some potential may be more likely than others and it is expected that the physician will exercise reasonable judgment in identifying those potential differential diagnoses and ranking their likelihood.

C.      Sub-standard care in the recommendation for treatment

The most recognizable illnesses have a relatively standardized protocol for treatment which may include surgery, medication, or other forms of care.  The choice of treatment, generally, would be seen as an exercise in judgment and is difficult to attack except to the extent that the particular circumstances relating to this patient might rule out the relatively obvious bases the various forms of treatment which might otherwise be available.

D.      Informed Consent / Sub-standard in failure to warn of potential risks

In warning the patient of the potential risks in connection with alternative treatments available including the effect of having no treatment, a physician must also inform the patient of any risks of death or injury which may be associated to such treatment which might reasonably affect the choice the patient might make.  Even where the risks are minimal, if they involve a potential for death or serious result such as paralysis, then the physician must advise the patient of such. The failure to warn a patient will result in a breach in the standard of care if it can be shown that a patient acting reasonably in the circumstances of that patient, would have chosen not to undertake the treatment proposed.

Limitation Period

In order to advance a claim, it is necessary for the plaintiff to have commenced the action within one year from the time he knew or ought to have known the facts giving rise to the claim for negligence.

The application of the limitation period is subject to the discoverability rule which generally provides that the commencement of the one year period will start at that point and time when a reasonable patient exercising reasonable diligence would have discovered that information which would be reasonably necessary for him to conclude that he had a reasonable likelihood of success in prosecuting a claim in malpractice.

The judicial pronouncements arising under the cases involving this question seem to have a variety of attitudes from the bench varying considerably in the liberality with which judges are prepared to interpret and apply this rule.  Some cases have gone so far as to suggest that until the lawyer acting on behalf of the potential plaintiff has a medical opinion which would demonstrate a breach in the standard of care, the plaintiff would not be in a position to reasonably conclude that he had a reasonable likelihood of success to justify commencing action.

In other cases, the courts have indicated that until a potential plaintiff has received sufficient information so that he can appreciate that the degree of injury is significant, there would not be any reasonable justification for commencing action and consequently, the limitation period would not commence to run.

An abundance of caution would indicate that an action should be commenced as soon as it becomes ascertainable that there is the possibility of a claim in order to avoid the difficulties tendant with justifying a failure to commence an action within the one year period.

Level of proof

Generally, the degree of proof necessary to establish the facts is the balance of probabilities in the usual manner in a civil action.  This will of necessity require opinions of medical practitioners in the same field who will review and analyze the history of the events leading to the claim for the purpose of identifying specific breaches in the standard of care.  It is not uncommon to have a variety of opinions as to precisely what in fact occurred and whether it is what constitutes a breach in the standard of care.  Consequently, it is important that the experts recruited are recognized as experts of the highest standard of credibility.  Of course, these individuals are in high demand and difficult to recruit.

Issue of cause

Generally, the principle is applicable in a medical malpractice to the issue of cause are the same principles that apply in any negligence action.

The question becomes but for the negligent action(s) of the defendant, would the plaintiff have suffered the injuries complained of?

It is required for the plaintiff to demonstrate on a balance of probabilities that the misbehaviour of the defendant has caused either itself or has contributed in combination with other causes to the injuries of which the plaintiff complains.

Although the degree of proof is only that of a balance of probabilities, nevertheless, medical practitioners, being scientists, find it difficult to address the matter of causation except in more absolute terms.  It is therefore important to ensure that one is not mislead by comments of such practitioners casting doubt on the issue of causation.  The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that causation should be viewed from a simple common sense point of view to determine which is more probable as the reasonable inference to be drawn by the facts proven, particularly when those facts are peculiarly within the knowledge of the defendant.

The conduct of the medical malpractice case

Basically, the conduct of a medical malpractice case should be recognized as requiring for attention of a well-experienced litigator.

In Canada , all such cases are defended by the Canadian Medical Protection Association which although it denies that it is an insurer, in effect, provides substantially all of the same services for its members.

The strategy of the CMPA is well recognized in the legal community as being one where they will vigorously defend any claims where there is reasonable possibility that liability can be avoided.

In the adversarial arena, the unlimited resources available to the CMPA to obtain the best level of expert evidence for their defence is a daunting challenge for anyone except the person of well above average financial means.  Counsel employed are extremely well experienced in this form of litigation and can afford the luxury of any pre-trial procedures which they feel may tend to discourage a potential claimant.

The conduct of a claim on behalf of a plaintiff is by and large universally an investigative procedure whereby the plaintiff attempts to determine what really happened by obtaining all of the medical records; conducting a review of them by experts trained to do so; and then prosecuting the claim through the discovery process.  Until all of these steps have been covered, it is almost impossible for counsel to provide any meaningful opinion as to whether the claim is justified while, in the meantime, substantial expense must be incurred to reach this stage.

Potential damages

As in all tort cases in Ontario, the potential for damage awards is limited by the trilogy of cases where the Supreme Court of Canada laid down the limits for general damages which can reasonably be expected as a result of personal injury.  More important, in some medical cases, like in other litigation, the associated claims for loss of income for both past and future, as well as the cost of past and future medical care.  The mult-million dollar cases that one reads about are typically comprised of the amounts awarded for these two factors.  It should always be borne in mind that courts in Ontario are not generous in awarding general damages in comparison to awards in other jurisdictions, particularly south of the border.

Richard Marks 2006, All Rights Reserved
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发表于 2009-5-21 14:07:13 | 只看该作者

何革胜要去医院外抗议

何先生
支持你的合法抗议,别忘了准备一个签名册,以便届时支持你的人签名。根据情况,下一步可考虑募捐请律师与医院打“人权”官司。不是总有人说“中国没有人权",那么就看一看加拿大的"人权".
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回复:何革胜要去医院外抗议

何先生
支持你的合法抗议,别忘了准备一个签名册,以便届时支持你的人签名。根据情况,下一步可考虑募捐请律师与医院打“人权”官司。不是总有人说“中国没有人权",那么就看一看加拿大的"人权".


又来个“误导”的

和医院打“人权”官司, 也亏你说的出口
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发表于 2009-5-21 14:26:57 | 只看该作者

omg

"去年,广州共发生50多名产妇死亡,有90%是因为地下接生产后大出血造成90%因为地下接生产后大出血所致"

GRACE HOSPITAL = 地下接生
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发表于 2009-5-21 14:42:47 | 只看该作者

回复:omg

"去年,广州共发生50多名产妇死亡,有90%是因为地下接生产后大出血造成90%因为地下接生产后大出血所致"

GRACE HOSPITAL = 地下接生


原来中国还有“地下接生”, 谢谢你帮轮独运们找出来
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发表于 2009-5-21 15:02:12 | 只看该作者
总是有一些人冷嘲热讽.假如这种不幸事件发生在你家,你还拿那样冷血吗?

人没了,难道不能索赔?打个比方,要不然,开汽车为何强制要求买保险?


对何先生的不幸深表同情,只要能出力,一定尽力帮助!另外,何先生不要同一些极少数的垃圾计较和解释。

另外,这种医疗事故有没有医院保险公司赔偿?

索赔请走法律途径,在法律没有结论之前,抗议的举动似乎有妨碍司法公正的嫌疑。为什么“现有证据无法打赢官司”?是有人故意阻挠证据收集,还是事件本身就不是错在医院一方?
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发表于 2009-5-21 15:07:22 | 只看该作者

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原来中国还有“地下接生”, 谢谢你帮轮独运们找出来



I quoted this sentence from your 帖, why you are so "surprise"?

50 women died a year in guangzhou because “地下接生”, how many women died for labor in Grace hospital a year?

everyone knows 轮独 is an excuse for refugee application ONLY.
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发表于 2009-5-21 15:22:16 | 只看该作者
加拿大太黑暗了,大家一定要告戒国内的同胞们再不要偷渡来了。
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