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快讯:唐炜臻安省证监会聆讯即时报道

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发表于 2009-4-1 20:28:32 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2009-4-1 20:41:10 | 只看该作者

回复:紧急通知

我喜欢”嘴对嘴”的比喻,通常一般的傻子是给人卖了还替人数钱。唐的功力更深,竟有一半的傻子明知给他卖了,却还继续替他数钱。我担心的是你的劝谕恐怕他们听不进去。须知此傻非一般傻。
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发表于 2009-4-1 20:51:16 | 只看该作者
乡亲们, 你们在关心华人巴费特的同时可否也关心一下白人巴费特可能要做的事, 起码可能挣些钱回来

http://www.w18.ca/blogs/1548/1/index.html
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发表于 2009-4-1 21:07:28 | 只看该作者

高人

紧急通知
赞一个 :thumbu:
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发表于 2009-4-1 21:32:11 | 只看该作者

没有答案的结局

大家都知道,在西方国家,只要你有钱,请的侓师能帮你把死罪都能辩成无罪.  看来唐大丝是深知这个道理的.    不好玩,白等了一个多星期,等来一个"拖"字,一拖就是半年,半年之后是一年.............."加拿大就是好"
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发表于 2009-4-1 22:52:13 | 只看该作者

团结起来,无成本告诉,以免不了了之.

保T派注意了.客观上,根据法律规定,T根本无法再进行交易行为了.民事诉讼是死路一条,其原因:

1)        T夫妻经过2003年司法麻烦,已经成了精, 所以找了位更精的律师,经验万分丰富,他们十分明白民事纠纷的大事化小,小事化了的秘诀,因此,可以使用各种方法,将此案拖4年以上不成问题.最后不了了之.这就是加国司法的死穴.这也是为什么T自信没有犯法,要求媒体道歉的原因.

2)        客户根本无钱支付昂贵的律师费: 老话说,”衙门口,朝南开,有理无钱别近来”.T以一家之力面对司法, 形似力小孤单,而实际上力大无比. 设定T在海外或其他隐瞒帐户有资金的话,10万元就可拖数年. 而客户多而散,更无人愿意再损失现金用于打官司.无强有利的律师介入,恐怕T最后也只是受到掉牌处理.重演2003年的闹剧. 不是小看你们,搞民事诉讼? T方会视尔等为乌合之众,矛盾重重,你们恐怕连1万元也难以凑齐.所以,必然因无钱聘请律师而失败.时间越久,你们就越明白今天所谓”保T继续交易计策”的愚蠢.


3)        综上分析,今天律师要求推迟半年以上的聆讯之策,其实是点了各位的死穴.首先他明知无胜算,也不可能再恢复交易行为.所以大念”拖”字诀. 同时,在今后的长征中,也会利用各位的保T态度和言论做筹码,变被动为主动,充分拖延时间.所以保T派客观上正在给T做”嘴对嘴”呼吸抢救.

应对之方:

加紧警方介入,快刀斩乱麻,那样你们就不用担心费用.好处如下:


1)        团结起来,无成本告诉,以免不了了之.
2)        及时查核冻结T所有海内外资金, 快刀斩乱麻.
3)        即使不能立刻追回资金,但常年的监禁会令隐藏资金失去意义,且很有可能在日后的任何挪动使用当中被截获.
4)        T也再没有机会被放出魔瓶,危害乡亲.

当然,如果明知上述原因,还抖”去政府请愿”的机灵,你们必然是庞氏骗局的收益者.你们也不希望T立即收监. 那样你们提取的本和利就只好退回法庭了.
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发表于 2009-4-1 22:56:48 | 只看该作者

受害人怒斥唐炜臻老乡钱也骗 两度入股血本无归

因前日材料准备不足,3名自称是唐炜臻「庞氏骗局」受害人的华裔市民,昨日再往多伦多警方52分局报案,警方已正式受理此案,并立有档案编号处理。受害人都非常愤怒,有的谴责唐连老乡也骗,有的谴责唐使用「请君入瓮」令她们上当,平均每人损失几十万元,希望案件早日了结。

2女1男共3名自称是唐案件的受害人,昨日前往52分局报案,警员E.J. Brooker接待了他们,并做下纪录,但该警员并不愿接受传媒访问。

52分局当班参事警长J.Boyce表示,案件目前还在初级阶段,无法界定是由52分局处理,还是交给总局处理,但其他受害人可以前往任何一间分局或总局报案。

他表示,通常商业诈骗案都是由金融机构,如银行和安省证监会等首先展开独立调查,如果他们觉得证据确实,会将证据提交给警方,再由警方决定是否提出诈骗罪名和展开拘捕。

被塑造为「华人巴菲特」的多伦多着名金融投资人唐炜臻,近日因涉嫌6000万美元的「庞氏骗局」(Ponzi Scheme,俗称老鼠会)而遭安省证监会调查。证监会现已向安省高等法院入禀,要求冻结唐其下公司资产,法院下令冻结资产有效至4月30日。

证监会现已通告暂时停止唐炜臻的证券交易资格,并将于4月1日就事件举行听证会。这宗涉及巨款的疑似加国版马多夫案,涉及的华裔投资者近260多人。

朋友介绍投资基金报表每天盈利

2名华裔女子在报案后,向媒体讲述她们的经历。

周女士一名周姓女子表示,她是08年9月28日入伙唐炜臻的基金,当时是受一个朋友介绍。自入伙以来,唐炜臻给她出示的业绩报表显示,基金每天都是盈利,但不料事情在今年2月5日出现变数。

她说,当天是一次投资人例行聚会,不少投资人在会上议论纷纷,说他们提不出钱,她开始感到不妙。

2月27日,唐亲自参与另一次投资人聚会,她表示,唐在会议上对大家亲口承认「投资失败,提不出钱,目前帐面上只有1470元。」

周姓女子悲愤地表示:「这一天我真是终生难忘,几十万元就这么没了。」她开始考虑报警,但一直未有行动。

一直幻想可以翻本

她说:「因为我一直对他还抱有幻想,以为他还可以翻本。」直到3月21日又一次投资人会议,唐在会议上亲口承认「我用你们给我的钱,来支付99年那批投资失败客户的钱。」至此,周姓女子彻底失望,坚决报警。

2度被说入股假业绩害

袁姓同乡另一位袁姓女子表示,她和唐炜臻是湖南老乡,因此感觉特别亲近,「我想,他不会连老乡也骗吧。」但她表示,她在唐手上2次失败。

她首次入伙唐的基金是2003年,「当时我拿出了几万元,想就让他试试吧,结果血本无归。」

之后的几年,她没有行动,但至06年,唐又来找她,并称自己这次真的找到一条投资的良策,绝不会失手,袁女士被他说动,这次拿出几十万元。

当记者问,当初入伙时,是否签订合约,愿意承担一定风险?

袁女士表示:「我就算愿意承担一定风险,但是他(唐)每天给我们出示的业绩都是假的啊,如果看到真实情况,我早就取出钱止血了。」

袁女士谴责唐连老乡也骗,周女士则感叹当初介绍她入伙的那个朋友可能是唐的「托」,即是说客。两人表示,唐目前的客户约有260人,大多地区200人,美国和其他地区60人,每个投资人平均投资都在几十万元,有的甚至上百万。

据悉,唐在美国有一位女性代理人,负责拉拢美国投资者;又有消息称,唐最近几年转变策略,重点不再是市民散户,而是吸引大型机构,因此多结交中国内地官员。

有消息称,大部分投资人目前仍对唐有期望,不希望他坐牢,希望他继续投资把本钱赚回来。对此,袁女士认为,这种想法十分幼稚,她表示,随?最近几日媒体曝光此事,已有更多投资人清醒过来,决定报案。
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发表于 2009-4-1 23:09:56 | 只看该作者

看报道,学英文,了解金融诈骗常识

安省证监会对唐炜臻及其公司采取新行动
OSC takes steps against Weizhen Tang and his companies

2009年3月18日,为了防止资金挥霍,将资金转移至其他国家和地区,安省证监会向安省法庭递交申请,请求法庭下令冻结唐炜臻和他的公司在Interactive Broker证券行的四个账户。

On Mar. 18, 2009, the OSC filed on application seeking court orders to ensure that the funds on deposit in Weizheng Tang’s four accounts with Interactive Broker are not further dissipated, removed from the jurisdiction or transferred or transferred further.

《大中报》获得的法庭文件显示,安省证监会认为唐的举动有可能已经违反了证券法,包括欺诈投资人,没有按照招股文件而推销金融证券,在未注册的情况下交易金融证券,没有按照证券法的规定向客人销售金融产品。

The OSC investigation regards Tang’s conduct that may have breached the Securities Act which includes perpetrating a fraud on investors, distributing securities without complying with prospectus requirements, trading in securities without registration, and making representations to investors contrary to the Act, according to the document obtained by Chinese News.

证监会的文件还指控唐炜臻在2006年到2008期间,以证监会注册的投资组合经理身份,集资6000万美元。

The documents further alleges that Tang raised $60 million (US) from 2006 to 2008 by representing himself as a portfolio manager registered with the OSC.

法庭文件显示,安省证监会已经收到很多对唐和他的公司的询问和投诉。尤其是那些将钱投入中国海外投资公司的客户无法取回投资,唐告诉他们,该公司已经付不出钱来了。

The documents indicate that the OSC has been receiving inquires and complaints from the public about Tang and his companies. Specifically, persons who had placed funds with the Oversea Chinese Fund Limited Partnership were unable to redeem the investments, since they were informed by Tang that it has no assets to make the redemptions.

法庭文件显示,证监会指控唐炜臻用后来投资者投入的钱去支付早期投资者的钱。

The OSC alleges that recently Tang had been using new funds raised from investors to pay redemptions requested by previous investors, the documents noted.

法庭文件显示,证监会有证据显示,唐炜臻向一个客户出示的该客户在2009年1月1日那天有100多万($1,005,386.76)的报告是伪造的。

The OSC has evidence to show that the account statements received by the OSC from an investor indicating a balance as of January 1, 2009 of $1,005,386.76 were fabricated, according to the documents.

法庭文件显示,有证据显示,所有帐户上的钱几乎被唐和他的公司挥霍一空。

Evidence would appear that almost all funds have been dissipated by Tang and his companies, the documents noted.

证监会法庭文件中的所有指控尚未被法庭证实。

All the allegations in the documents have not been proven in court.

现在,你也许想知道唐炜臻和他的那些公司将面临什么样的结局。

Now you may wonder what will happen next to Tang and his companies.

多伦多查账公司- Rosen & Associates Limited.的麦子健介绍说,法庭在收到证监会的申请后,可能会立即批准冻结资产,查封各类帐目和记录文件。虽然法庭有时也会等一周到两周,以待被查对象是否反对证监会的申请。

The court may prove any application that satisfies legal tests to freeze the assets, books and records immediately, although it might take a week or two for respondents to file a response, said Mr. Alan T. Mak, a forensic accountant of Rosen & Associates Limited.

麦子健说:“当证监会怀疑金融行业有人违反了证券法,他们会通过自己的律师和会计师们进行调查,收集证据来对受指控的违规者进行法律诉讼。”

“When the OSC suspects that an individual in the financial industry has breached securities laws, it will conduct an enforcement investigation through its lawyers and accountants and put together a case against the alleged offender,” said Mak.

当一个未在证监会注册的人违反了证券法,证监会会申请法庭命令要求被指控的人公布所有帐目及文件记录,并将违规者告上民事法庭,以帮投资者找回投资,或根据安省证券法的刑事条例,将案件递交检察官以追求刑事责任。

Under the circumstances that a non-OSC registrant broke the Securities Act, the OSC may file an application seeking a court order requiring books and records from the accused wrongdoer, pursue civil actions which might lead to getting money back for investors, or turn the case over to Crown attorney to pursue criminal charges under the criminal elements of the Securities Act.

皇家骑警或其他警察机构也有可能参与刑事调查,他们会与投资者免谈,追踪嫌犯的行踪。如果嫌犯逃到其他国家,警方会与其他国家合作,要么监视嫌犯,或者逮捕嫌犯。

The RCMP or other law enforcement agencies may also involve in the criminal investigation by interviewing investors, locating the whereabouts of the suspect etc. Under the circumstances that the suspect is in a foreign jurisdiction, the police will coordinate with foreign authorities, either monitoring the suspect or preparing to make an arrest.

如果证监会怀疑被指控的违规者将钱转移出加拿大,证监会的第一步是将违规者告上法庭,指控对方诈骗。如果胜诉,证监会将会把加拿大法庭的判决传到外国法庭,让外国法庭配合执行加拿大的法庭判决。

If the OSC suspects that an accused wrongdoer has taken the monies out of Canada, it may, as a first step to recover the monies, file a lawsuit against the accused wrongdoer in Canada to allege that a fraud has occurred. If the lawsuit is successful, it can take the order from the Canadian court and seek to have it enforced by the court in the foreign jurisdiction where the monies are located.

麦子健指出,投资者拿回的钱是否从盈利中支付是确认庞氏诈骗成立与否的关键。

Whether the purported investors’ returns were supported by actual profits of the business is the key to prove a potential ponzi scheme, according to Mak.

麦说:“当证监会的会计师们对一起可能是庞氏诈骗的案件调查时,他们要查投资人的钱都到哪里去了。尤其是所有钱的来龙去脉。如果所支付的钱超过了投资所赚的钱,那就可能是庞氏诈骗。”

“When the OSC accountants investigate into a potential ponzi scheme, they will find out what has happened to the money, and specifically, where the money came from and how it was paid out,” said Mak. “If the distributions or payments are found to have exceeded the profits of the business, it could be a ponzi scheme.”

在马道夫的案子上,早期投资人所收到钱根本就不是投资赚来的,而是后期投资者的钱。

In Madoff case, rather than being made through his business, the monies paid out to investors were coming from earlier investors.

通常情况下,当庞氏骗局被揭穿时,由于诈骗犯可能根本就没有投资或者已将钱占为己有,还有多少资产剩下,还能拿回多少钱是大多数投资者最关心的事。

Generally, when a ponzi scheme is exposed, how much assets have remained and whether the investors could get money back are what most investors are concerned about, as the fraudster may have never made any investment and stolen the money.

证监会或者投资者均可以将庞氏诈骗嫌犯告上法庭,并向民事法庭申请一个相当于“搜查令”- 俗称民事封查令的文件,封存嫌犯的所有记录文件,包括:财务记录、来往信函等。投资者还可以向法庭申请“冻结”嫌犯财产的法令。法律界俗称为资产冻结令。

Either the OSC or the investors may bring a lawsuit and apply for the civil equivalent of a "search warrant", known as an anton pillar order, against a ponzi suspect, where applicants seek a court order allowing them to seize from the suspect records including accounting records, correspondence etc . Investors may also apply for a court order "freezing" the assets of a suspect. This order is known as a mareva injunction.

麦子健表示:“由于诈骗犯往往试图掩盖事实,其资产有可能早已转移至全球各地,因此,要调查一起诈骗案是要花很多钱的,而仅仅雇一名查账员的支出就可能高达10万元。”

“Since a fraudster tends to hide any information from an investigator and the assets could have been transferred to all over the world, a fraud case can be very expensive to prove, which may cost about $100,000 just on a forensic accountant,” said Mak.

麦子健说:“由于安省证监会的一系列行动可能会帮助投资者找回投资,但其主要职能是阻止犯罪。投资者应联合起来打官司,或发起集体诉讼来找回投资损失。"

While through its actions the OSC’s might end up with helping investors to get the money back, its mandate is to stop a crime. Investors are encouraged to either form a joint legal action or file a class action lawsuit against a fraudster to seek legal remedies.

当投资者怀疑自己成了一个庞氏诈骗案的受害者,打算联系警方进行刑事调查时,他们应搜集强有力的证据向警方证实刑事犯罪行为,因为警方不会对因金融市场危机而造成的投资纠纷而采取任何行动。

When the investors suspect that they have become the victims of a Ponzi scheme, and intend to contact police to pursue a criminal investigation, they are required to put all evidence together that strongly proves the crime, since police will not take actions on civil financial disputes resulting from the market downturn.

麦子健表示:“比如,如果投资者能搜集证据表明他们的投资并未像被保证的那样投资到某一特定公司,警方可能会立案而对可能的诈骗案进行调查。”

“For example, if investors can gather evidence to show that their money was not invested in the XYZ Company as had been informed, etc, it might prompt the police to investigate into a potential fraud case, “ said Mak.


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发表于 2009-4-2 02:22:44 | 只看该作者
揣揣看,谁钱多?

T,他的客户,他的律师,谁的钱多?
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发表于 2009-4-2 07:12:01 | 只看该作者

周瑜打黄盖——一个愿打一个愿挨——别打到别人就好!

BT派要T再操盘,go ahead! 100多人凑一笔钱,给LT,让唐1%周回报去!即便在监狱里,有一台电脑不就行了吗?请51转达这个免费的建议给BT派,成全他们。


这看似玩笑,实际是个值得认真思考的问题。

这已经不算对T的考验了,而是对BT派的真实意图的最大检验。

老T千万别手软,一定要打到皮开肉绽露骨头。

钱可以丢,信念不能丢!

希望周瑜不要打黄盖以外的人!
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回复:看报道,学英文,了解金融诈骗常识

怎么?赫赫有名的中国新闻集团(chinesenewsgroup)都要来小小的51网站做广告?



安省证监会对唐炜臻及其公司采取新行动
OSC takes steps against Weizhen Tang and his companies

2009年3月18日,为了防止资金挥霍,将资金转移至其他国家和地区,安省证监会向安省法庭递交申请,请求法庭下令冻结唐炜臻和他的公司在Interactive Broker证券行的四个账户。

On Mar. 18, 2009, the OSC filed on application seeking court orders to ensure that the funds on deposit in Weizheng Tang’s four accounts with Interactive Broker are not further dissipated, removed from the jurisdiction or transferred or transferred further.

《大中报》获得的法庭文件显示,安省证监会认为唐的举动有可能已经违反了证券法,包括欺诈投资人,没有按照招股文件而推销金融证券,在未注册的情况下交易金融证券,没有按照证券法的规定向客人销售金融产品。

The OSC investigation regards Tang’s conduct that may have breached the Securities Act which includes perpetrating a fraud on investors, distributing securities without complying with prospectus requirements, trading in securities without registration, and making representations to investors contrary to the Act, according to the document obtained by Chinese News.

证监会的文件还指控唐炜臻在2006年到2008期间,以证监会注册的投资组合经理身份,集资6000万美元。

The documents further alleges that Tang raised $60 million (US) from 2006 to 2008 by representing himself as a portfolio manager registered with the OSC.

法庭文件显示,安省证监会已经收到很多对唐和他的公司的询问和投诉。尤其是那些将钱投入中国海外投资公司的客户无法取回投资,唐告诉他们,该公司已经付不出钱来了。

The documents indicate that the OSC has been receiving inquires and complaints from the public about Tang and his companies. Specifically, persons who had placed funds with the Oversea Chinese Fund Limited Partnership were unable to redeem the investments, since they were informed by Tang that it has no assets to make the redemptions.

法庭文件显示,证监会指控唐炜臻用后来投资者投入的钱去支付早期投资者的钱。

The OSC alleges that recently Tang had been using new funds raised from investors to pay redemptions requested by previous investors, the documents noted.

法庭文件显示,证监会有证据显示,唐炜臻向一个客户出示的该客户在2009年1月1日那天有100多万($1,005,386.76)的报告是伪造的。

The OSC has evidence to show that the account statements received by the OSC from an investor indicating a balance as of January 1, 2009 of $1,005,386.76 were fabricated, according to the documents.

法庭文件显示,有证据显示,所有帐户上的钱几乎被唐和他的公司挥霍一空。

Evidence would appear that almost all funds have been dissipated by Tang and his companies, the documents noted.

证监会法庭文件中的所有指控尚未被法庭证实。

All the allegations in the documents have not been proven in court.

现在,你也许想知道唐炜臻和他的那些公司将面临什么样的结局。

Now you may wonder what will happen next to Tang and his companies.

多伦多查账公司- Rosen & Associates Limited.的麦子健介绍说,法庭在收到证监会的申请后,可能会立即批准冻结资产,查封各类帐目和记录文件。虽然法庭有时也会等一周到两周,以待被查对象是否反对证监会的申请。

The court may prove any application that satisfies legal tests to freeze the assets, books and records immediately, although it might take a week or two for respondents to file a response, said Mr. Alan T. Mak, a forensic accountant of Rosen & Associates Limited.

麦子健说:“当证监会怀疑金融行业有人违反了证券法,他们会通过自己的律师和会计师们进行调查,收集证据来对受指控的违规者进行法律诉讼。”

“When the OSC suspects that an individual in the financial industry has breached securities laws, it will conduct an enforcement investigation through its lawyers and accountants and put together a case against the alleged offender,” said Mak.

当一个未在证监会注册的人违反了证券法,证监会会申请法庭命令要求被指控的人公布所有帐目及文件记录,并将违规者告上民事法庭,以帮投资者找回投资,或根据安省证券法的刑事条例,将案件递交检察官以追求刑事责任。

Under the circumstances that a non-OSC registrant broke the Securities Act, the OSC may file an application seeking a court order requiring books and records from the accused wrongdoer, pursue civil actions which might lead to getting money back for investors, or turn the case over to Crown attorney to pursue criminal charges under the criminal elements of the Securities Act.

皇家骑警或其他警察机构也有可能参与刑事调查,他们会与投资者免谈,追踪嫌犯的行踪。如果嫌犯逃到其他国家,警方会与其他国家合作,要么监视嫌犯,或者逮捕嫌犯。

The RCMP or other law enforcement agencies may also involve in the criminal investigation by interviewing investors, locating the whereabouts of the suspect etc. Under the circumstances that the suspect is in a foreign jurisdiction, the police will coordinate with foreign authorities, either monitoring the suspect or preparing to make an arrest.

如果证监会怀疑被指控的违规者将钱转移出加拿大,证监会的第一步是将违规者告上法庭,指控对方诈骗。如果胜诉,证监会将会把加拿大法庭的判决传到外国法庭,让外国法庭配合执行加拿大的法庭判决。

If the OSC suspects that an accused wrongdoer has taken the monies out of Canada, it may, as a first step to recover the monies, file a lawsuit against the accused wrongdoer in Canada to allege that a fraud has occurred. If the lawsuit is successful, it can take the order from the Canadian court and seek to have it enforced by the court in the foreign jurisdiction where the monies are located.

麦子健指出,投资者拿回的钱是否从盈利中支付是确认庞氏诈骗成立与否的关键。

Whether the purported investors’ returns were supported by actual profits of the business is the key to prove a potential ponzi scheme, according to Mak.

麦说:“当证监会的会计师们对一起可能是庞氏诈骗的案件调查时,他们要查投资人的钱都到哪里去了。尤其是所有钱的来龙去脉。如果所支付的钱超过了投资所赚的钱,那就可能是庞氏诈骗。”

“When the OSC accountants investigate into a potential ponzi scheme, they will find out what has happened to the money, and specifically, where the money came from and how it was paid out,” said Mak. “If the distributions or payments are found to have exceeded the profits of the business, it could be a ponzi scheme.”

在马道夫的案子上,早期投资人所收到钱根本就不是投资赚来的,而是后期投资者的钱。

In Madoff case, rather than being made through his business, the monies paid out to investors were coming from earlier investors.

通常情况下,当庞氏骗局被揭穿时,由于诈骗犯可能根本就没有投资或者已将钱占为己有,还有多少资产剩下,还能拿回多少钱是大多数投资者最关心的事。

Generally, when a ponzi scheme is exposed, how much assets have remained and whether the investors could get money back are what most investors are concerned about, as the fraudster may have never made any investment and stolen the money.

证监会或者投资者均可以将庞氏诈骗嫌犯告上法庭,并向民事法庭申请一个相当于“搜查令”- 俗称民事封查令的文件,封存嫌犯的所有记录文件,包括:财务记录、来往信函等。投资者还可以向法庭申请“冻结”嫌犯财产的法令。法律界俗称为资产冻结令。

Either the OSC or the investors may bring a lawsuit and apply for the civil equivalent of a "search warrant", known as an anton pillar order, against a ponzi suspect, where applicants seek a court order allowing them to seize from the suspect records including accounting records, correspondence etc . Investors may also apply for a court order "freezing" the assets of a suspect. This order is known as a mareva injunction.

麦子健表示:“由于诈骗犯往往试图掩盖事实,其资产有可能早已转移至全球各地,因此,要调查一起诈骗案是要花很多钱的,而仅仅雇一名查账员的支出就可能高达10万元。”

“Since a fraudster tends to hide any information from an investigator and the assets could have been transferred to all over the world, a fraud case can be very expensive to prove, which may cost about $100,000 just on a forensic accountant,” said Mak.

麦子健说:“由于安省证监会的一系列行动可能会帮助投资者找回投资,但其主要职能是阻止犯罪。投资者应联合起来打官司,或发起集体诉讼来找回投资损失。"

While through its actions the OSC’s might end up with helping investors to get the money back, its mandate is to stop a crime. Investors are encouraged to either form a joint legal action or file a class action lawsuit against a fraudster to seek legal remedies.

当投资者怀疑自己成了一个庞氏诈骗案的受害者,打算联系警方进行刑事调查时,他们应搜集强有力的证据向警方证实刑事犯罪行为,因为警方不会对因金融市场危机而造成的投资纠纷而采取任何行动。

When the investors suspect that they have become the victims of a Ponzi scheme, and intend to contact police to pursue a criminal investigation, they are required to put all evidence together that strongly proves the crime, since police will not take actions on civil financial disputes resulting from the market downturn.

麦子健表示:“比如,如果投资者能搜集证据表明他们的投资并未像被保证的那样投资到某一特定公司,警方可能会立案而对可能的诈骗案进行调查。”

“For example, if investors can gather evidence to show that their money was not invested in the XYZ Company as had been informed, etc, it might prompt the police to investigate into a potential fraud case, “ said Mak.


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老人家自称姓牛,“我傻,我笨,我活该”,他说他只想要回自己的钱!
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回复:客户的资金哪里去了?

2009年1 月份

12-13 855129
13-14 726162
14-15 968264
15-16 1388641
16- 19 1388357.15
19- 20 966324.64
20-21 1699982.53
21-22 2209576.05
22-23 2903945.32
23-26 3104099.15 (从市场取走盈利 225万 )
26-27 844847.05
27- 28 1064445.65
28-29 618245.88
29-30 299894.26 (追加资金50 万)

2009年2 月份
02- 778682.06
02-03 1556553.42
03-04 1,837494.54 (从市场取走盈利 150万 )
04-05 732404.21 (从市场取走盈利30 万)
05-06 419455.20
06-09 345168.91
09-10 103282.87
10-11 135442.02
11-12 138267.80
12-13 161850.22
13-16 83059.08 (追加资金 85万)
16-17 895971.36
17-18 121069.20
18-19 1319461.28 ( 从市场取走盈利 1 00万)
19-20 830077.89 ( 从市场取走盈利 40万)
20- 23 444744.45
23-24 60万
26 78万
共加:135 万
共取: 545 万

从这上面看老唐的成绩卓著?那我想问如果真是老唐的操盘成绩,那客户的帐面上为什么剩1200元。这个成绩到底是老唐的还是Lucy的。据我所知一些客户想要Lucy帮老唐一起操盘,被Lucy拒绝,所以对Lucy进行攻击。
向版主反映这个帖子


你和你说的一些客户根据什么信任Lucy? 信任Lucy为什么不把钱交给

她? Lucy如果真有在市场操盘挣钱能力,为什么会要拒绝?

让Lucy操盘,还不如让她去抄菜吧,因为在加拿大Lucy只有开餐馆的经

历.
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回复:团结起来,无成本告诉,以免不了了之.

保T派注意了.客观上,根据法律规定,T根本无法再进行交易行为了.民事诉讼是死路一条,其原因:

1)        T夫妻经过2003年司法麻烦,已经成了精, 所以找了位更精的律师,经验万分丰富,他们十分明白民事纠纷的大事化小,小事化了的秘诀,因此,可以使用各种方法,将此案拖4年以上不成问题.最后不了了之.这就是加国司法的死穴.这也是为什么T自信没有犯法,要求媒体道歉的原因.

2)        客户根本无钱支付昂贵的律师费: 老话说,”衙门口,朝南开,有理无钱别近来”.T以一家之力面对司法, 形似力小孤单,而实际上力大无比. 设定T在海外或其他隐瞒帐户有资金的话,10万元就可拖数年. 而客户多而散,更无人愿意再损失现金用于打官司.无强有利的律师介入,恐怕T最后也只是受到掉牌处理.重演2003年的闹剧. 不是小看你们,搞民事诉讼? T方会视尔等为乌合之众,矛盾重重,你们恐怕连1万元也难以凑齐.所以,必然因无钱聘请律师而失败.时间越久,你们就越明白今天所谓”保T继续交易计策”的愚蠢.


3)        综上分析,今天律师要求推迟半年以上的聆讯之策,其实是点了各位的死穴.首先他明知无胜算,也不可能再恢复交易行为.所以大念”拖”字诀. 同时,在今后的长征中,也会利用各位的保T态度和言论做筹码,变被动为主动,充分拖延时间.所以保T派客观上正在给T做”嘴对嘴”呼吸抢救.

应对之方:

加紧警方介入,快刀斩乱麻,那样你们就不用担心费用.好处如下:


1)        团结起来,无成本告诉,以免不了了之.
2)        及时查核冻结T所有海内外资金, 快刀斩乱麻.
3)        即使不能立刻追回资金,但常年的监禁会令隐藏资金失去意义,且很有可能在日后的任何挪动使用当中被截获.
4)        T也再没有机会被放出魔瓶,危害乡亲.

当然,如果明知上述原因,还抖”去政府请愿”的机灵,你们必然是庞氏骗局的收益者.你们也不希望T立即收监. 那样你们提取的本和利就只好退回法庭了.



奉勸你這位非法律專家不要亂出餿主意!

昨天聽證會展期是必然的
現在T的律師要想辦法私下和證管會和解
怎麼和解呢?
就是以"罰金"換起訴刑度!
也就是說 我一再好意告訴大家 不要指望懶混出名的證管會!
證管會即使有權移送 但不可能幫所有受害者追回金錢!
證管會雖然會施壓要求T返還受害者金錢
但是
如果未經法律程序(民事 刑事兩類訴訟)受害者很難"證明"受害程度

最後一次告訴大家:
不提民事訴訟 你無法排隊當債權人 無法進行法拍及債權登記等等
也就是說
誰先取得民事判決 誰有權先分! 其他沒判決的 一邊涼快去!

奉勸大家不要以訛傳訛以錯誤的法律知識誤導大家!
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