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赵平波:超导中国科学大奖是学术欺诈?

 
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发表于 2009-12-7 10:03:38 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式

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当今,要问这世界上哪个民族的人最想得诺贝尔奖,那无疑是中国人。每逢金秋一度的诺贝尔奖评选日子,中国人的 诺贝尔奖焦虑症 就要发作一次:看看科学网在去年 12 月 10 日诺贝尔奖金颁奖日所发表的奇文:中国科学 ... [ 查看全文 ]

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本帖最后由 cgigate 于 2009-12-7 10:44 编辑

这就是为什么,51.ca上为什么假文章,大妓院的假消息横行。原来赵平波起了推波助澜的作用!
无论美国吴茂昆和朱经武,或者赵忠贤都似乎都是中国人(用华裔这个字,可能更准确些)。

二十年以后的今天,超导至今还是没有实际的意义,还是停留在实验室的阶段。没有人可以大规模制成实用商业应用。
最终还是一堆垃圾,除了浪费钱以外,写几篇文章罢了!没有任何意义!
沙发
发表于 2009-12-7 10:46:43 | 只看该作者
房梁上的冰凌锥,根子在上头呢。连当今皇储的博士文凭都是搀了水的,还能指望什
么是货真价实的?
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板凳
发表于 2009-12-7 12:22:47 | 只看该作者
不管真假,能骗到"名"和"利",他(她)就是天才.
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地板
发表于 2009-12-7 12:56:24 | 只看该作者
Did Pingbo involve in the project?
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发表于 2009-12-7 13:33:49 | 只看该作者

赵平波:超导中国科学大奖是学术欺诈?

Discovery may earn billions, Nobel for UH

CARLOS BYARS, Houston Chronicle Science Writer Staff

MON 02/16/1987 HOUSTON CHRONICLE, Section 1, Page 1, 2 STAR Edition

Researchers at the University of Houston have grasped the Holy Grail of low-temperature physics, surpassing in a few months of intense work a goal long believed to be totally out of reach.  Their discovery of a superconductor that works at a temperature higher than liquid nitrogen could revolutionize the electrical industry, earn a Nobel Prize and be worth billions to the university.  Paul Chu, head of a team working to create new superconductors - materials that conduct electricity without resistance - said the new material operates at 98 degrees Kelvin. This is well above the critical 77-degree temperature of liquid nitrogen.  This temperature, though low by human standards at minus 367 degrees Fahrenheit, is more than high enough to allow the use of cheap, readily available liquid nitrogen as a coolant. Previously, the temperatures required for superconductivity could be achieved only by using much scarcer liquid helium, virtually precluding any possibility of widespread commercial use of superconductors.  The discovery holds the promise of major advances in the transmission and use of electrical power, including better detectors of low-level heat and radio signals, more powerful magnets and motors and new tools for medicine.  Chu's discovery was announced here and in a scientific paper accepted for publication by Physical Review Letters, considered the most important journal of physics. This was the fourth major increase in the temperature of superconductivity in the last three months, after 13 years without a breakthrough in the field.  The discovery appears to have put Chu and the University of Houston far ahead of several well-funded, highly competitive teams. At stake is more than the intense competition for scientific honors and awards. The organization that wins clear title to the basic patents stands to gain license fees amounting to billions of dollars.  Sharing credit for the discovery was M.K. Wu of the University of Alabama, who was listed as co-author with Chu of a separate paper in the same publication announcing a superconductor at 93 degrees Kelvin. Wu is one of Chu's former students.  Further advances are expected. Roy Weinstein, UH dean of natural science and mathematics, said the group has seen signs that superconductivity occurs above 148 degrees Kelvin (minus 312 degrees F.), and very preliminary results hint that Chu's line of research may result in superconductivity at or near room temperature. Such an astounding development has not previously been considered even a possibility by researchers in the field of low-temperature physics.  Chu's group includes P.H. Hor, R.L. Meng, L. Gao, Z.J. Huang and Y.Q. Wang of the University of Houston and Wu and J.R. Ashburn of the University of Alabama at Huntsville. They are in hot competition with other researchers including groups at AT&T Bell Labs, University of Tokyo, Argonne National Laboratory, IBM, Los Alamos National Laboratory and Stanford University.  Weinstein says the competition involves three major issues: The discovery at an International Business Machines Corp. lab in Zurich, Switzerland, of the combination of chemicals used to make the superconductor; the actual production of a superconductor from that material, which was first achieved at the University of Houston; and most important, Chu's discovery of the role of pressure in superconductivity, now called the "Chu effect."  "IBM-Zurich found some promising material. They didn't know how to make it a superconductor or how to vary it to get a superconductor, but they did get everybody started in the right direction," Weinstein said. "Paul is the leader in developing new techniques for making the superconductor material."  "There is some hope that Chu will get a Nobel Prize out of this," Weinstein added. "If he does, it will be for discovering the role of pressure."  Before Chu's discovery, pressure was not thought to have any effect on superconducting materials. But Chu found that the superconductivity temperature rises when the new materials are squeezed under high pressure.  Weinstein said this was Chu's key clue that he was dealing with something new. But pressure is not needed to build the material, he added.  "When you apply pressure you reduce the spacing between the individual parts of the molecules. What's important is to close up the internal spaces. This can be done by filling in those spaces with smaller atoms. You don't have to use pressure. You use a different approach," Weinstein said.  One different approach is to replace one of the ingredients with another that is physically smaller. The original mixture suggested by IBM was lanthanum, barium, copper and oxygen (copper oxide). Chu now is working with strontium instead of barium or yttrium instead of lanthanum. Weinstein says the Chu effect has revealed a whole new group of substances which are, or may be, superconductors. Another way to reduce the spaces is to lay the superconducting material a few atoms at a time on a fine crystalline base material. As the atoms are deposited on the base, they tend to line up in the same tightly packed arrangement as the crystals of the base, thus reducing the spaces.  "If Paul had a hundred Ph.D.s he could keep them all working on different systems," Weinstein said. Weinstein said the university has applied for a patent on Chu's discoveries, claiming a huge variety of chemicals and processes to make superconductors.

But the secret to prodigious wealth is to turn the material into a wire. "If we can't make a wire it will be a very fine discovery but not much money," he said.
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6#
发表于 2009-12-7 13:58:05 | 只看该作者
老赵是当年科大毕业生,了解内情,有理有据有份量.
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7#
发表于 2009-12-7 14:07:27 | 只看该作者
好象没有多少中国人在意诺贝尔奖,只有很少中国人知道诺贝尔。杨政宁只是在走入娱乐圈后才被中国百姓所认识。这个成果我从来没有听说过。作者可以就事论事,不要把我们这些中国人带上。
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发表于 2009-12-7 14:08:32 | 只看该作者
回复 5# 哪吒


    thanks. this is the evidence of Y  Ba Cu O. How can you get the paper more than 20 years ago???

Zhao Pingbo
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9#
发表于 2009-12-7 14:43:46 | 只看该作者
回复  哪吒


    thanks. this is the evidence of Y  Ba Cu O. How can you get the paper more  ...
广告管理员 发表于 2009-12-7 14:08 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


:eyebrows: You are welcome.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-7 16:45:46 | 只看该作者
回复  哪吒


    thanks. this is the evidence of Y  Ba Cu O. How can you get the paper more  ...
广告管理员 发表于 2009-12-7 14:08 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

This is called evidence ?
Super-conduct was very hot in that year.
Nowadays, it is still not much useful.
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11#
发表于 2009-12-7 16:54:37 | 只看该作者
老赵这又是那根经搭上了,很久没发声了,一发声又跟老诺干上了,这是哪儿跟哪儿啊:O
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12#
发表于 2009-12-7 17:02:27 | 只看该作者
老赵年纪轻, 记忆好, 这么多年的事还在谈。 这样的事太多了。 基本上80%以上
的成果是靠"翻译/编辑"。 还有一件事是中国科学院有2个院士是兄弟。 他们关于
院士水平的说法也是这回事情。 杨政宁的事要问李政道才了解底细。 不过杨的确
把诺贝尔奖的精神用到娱乐圈了。
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13#
发表于 2009-12-7 18:11:42 | 只看该作者
老赵的结论下的有点轻率了。
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14#
发表于 2009-12-7 19:37:44 | 只看该作者
难得你费心费神,多谢多谢。

所有的历史如果都能还原其本质,社会大幸。有些东西怕是永远不能揭开真相。
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发表于 2009-12-7 20:39:40 | 只看该作者
赵平波:

怀疑赵忠贤没关系,问题是你得有比较充分的证据。

你的证据充分吗?

可以说基本上是没有证据地胡乱猜测。
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