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美官员勒令交出斯诺登:否则要炸平香港

 
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美国参议员麦凯恩呼吁占领香港,解决美国秘密监听问题被泄露一事。

  In an interview with BBC World News, the hawkish Republican said that by hosting the leaker, Edward Snowden, Hong Kong has proven itself to be an enemy of the United States.

  在于BBC世界新闻节目的一次的访谈中,这位鹰派共和人谈到,既然香港对于爱德华·斯诺登这位泄密者提供了庇护,那么香港就已经证明它是美国的敌人。


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  "Either you're with us or you're against us," McCain explained to anchor Freddie Lyon, "and clearly the nation of Hong Kong is against us. By harboring this known cybercriminal they pose a clear and present danger to the American people.

  “(对于美国而言),要么你就是朋友,要么你就是敌人(没有骑墙的选择)”,麦凯恩对主持人弗雷迪.里昂如此解释道,“这件事很清楚地证明香港人是反美的,给予一个已被定性的网络罪犯庇护,港人给了我们美国人民一个明确且现实的威胁”

  "I don't want to hear about extradition or rendition or any of that nonsense. This man is a traitor and if we don't get him within 24 hours I say we need to start bombing the hell out of Hong Kong.

  “我不想听什么狗屁引渡条例或者其它没什么实质意义的托词,这厮就是一叛徒而且如果我们不能在24小时内将其绳之以法,那么我说我们有必要开始轰炸那个香港了”

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-6-17 15:44:40 | 只看该作者

"Luckily this is a tiny country with no real military to speak of. I don't expect any resistance. We could probably destroy their infrastructure and occupy the entire country by the end of the week."

  “香港是个很小的‘国家',没有什么像样的军队,预计我们的军队不会遭到抵抗。我们本周末就可以彻底摧毁其基础设施,占领该国全境。”

  "After we take Hong Kong and capture Snowden, we need to seriously think about annexing the territory,' he continued. "They have a world-class port, a great stock market and the best dim sum in the world. I don't know why China should have all of that and not us.

  我们在占领香港并抓获斯诺登后,我们需要考虑将这片土地据为己有。他们有世界水平的港口,非常棒的股票市场和最好吃的点心。我不知道为什么这里属于中国而不是属于我们。


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  "If we had a military base in Hong Kong we could keep a close eye on what the Chinese are up to. We could station missiles that would be only minutes away from Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Tianjin - all the major cities. And finally we'd have a place where we could move the Guantanamo inmates.

  如果我们在香港拥有了军事基地,我们就可以密切监视中国在干些什么。我们可以在这里部署导弹,分分钟就可以打到北京、上海和广州。最后,我们将把关塔那摩监狱搬到这里来。

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俄:斯诺登或向北京转交无价之宝的秘密情报

  “为什么选择逃往香港?”斯诺登6月10日接受英国《卫报》采访时称,“香港以自由而著称,有着言论自由的传统”。路透社报道说,斯诺登截至12日在香港仍享有自由。

  不过,事实上,10日起斯诺登就已经离开酒店,像空气一样消失。美国《商业周刊》称,香港移民部门目前尚未出现斯诺登离开香港的记录。

  香港《南华早报》12日晚报道称,斯诺登在一个秘密地点接受了该报采访,他称自己不是英雄,也不是叛徒,只是一个美国人,他还表示想留在香港。

  12日,香港特区政府新闻处工作人员接受记者采访时说,美国方面尚未提出任何引渡要求,该工作人员称,“我们不会评论个别案件,所有个案均会按特区法例处理”。

  据香港电台12日报道,正在美国访问的香港行政长官梁振英被问到斯诺登事件时也说,不评论个别案件。至于如果需要引渡斯诺登回美国,特区政府会如何处理,他表示,现在已有相关的法律及程序。

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 美国《洛杉矶时报》11日将斯诺登称为“香港最知名难民”,报道说,除非美国政府先对斯诺登发出逮捕令,否则香港当局不太可能对其采取行动。

  报道还称,中国知识分子圈中,有人希望北京给斯诺登难民庇护,“这种建议根植于对许多中国异见人士逃亡美国的愤怒”。

  “29岁的美国电脑专家斯诺登不仅同全球最强大情报机构较上了劲,也因他选择藏身香港而给北京和华盛顿平添了不少‘麻烦’。”

  “德国之声”评论说,“斯诺登给北京和华盛顿出外交难题”。台湾《联合晚报》12日称,大陆被拖进美国家务事。报道引述香港专家高敬文的话说,中美都不欢迎这种节外生枝的事情。

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 泄密者藏身香港考验中美 美国为泄密者恼火

  美国一名国家安全人员逃亡香港搅动了华盛顿,也使美中最新热络起来的关系面临考验。这个名叫斯诺登的情报人员6月10日接受英国《卫报》视频采访公开了身份,三周前他据称带着秘密情报影印件从夏威夷潜逃香港。斯诺登将美国互联网监控秘密项目“PRISM(棱镜)”公诸于世,揭露谷歌、脸谱、微软等大公司与该国情报机构合作,收集、监控世界各国的电子通信信息,据称他还要抖出更多内幕。美国情报人员外逃非常罕见,批评美国“越权监听”的声浪在多国掀起,德国总理默克尔更要当面向奥巴马问个清楚。美国很多政客看上去恼羞成怒,他们抨击斯诺登“叛国”,要求马上引渡,美国的反情报精英小组也在加紧搜寻他的下落。截至本报昨日发稿时,美国尚未要求引渡斯诺登,但看上很难避免,香港该怎么做,中国会持什么态度,许多人都在盯着看。

  “11日夜间,国家安全局、联邦调查局、白宫和国务院的高官聚集国会山,向众议院做闭门情况通报,国家安全局可能遭受了保护机密不力的炮轰。”英国《独立报》12日描绘出了这样一幅场景,称“华盛顿陷入混乱”,美国政府正面临多重压力:让国会那些不安宁的议员放心,面对欧洲盟友不断增加的抱怨,迅速对斯诺登进行犯罪调查。当地时间12日,美国国家安全局官员确定在参议院面临拷问,“陪绑”的还包括国土安全部、商务部、美国联邦调查局等部门的高官。

  斯诺登是谁?英国广播公司报道说,他在北卡罗来纳州的伊丽莎白市长大,2003年加入美军,因训练中双腿骨折被迫离队。电脑才能让他进入情报界。2009年他离开中情局,后供职于美国国家安全局的一家合同承包公司。今年5月20日,他抵达香港,上周通过《卫报》和《华盛顿邮报》披露美国情报部门监听内幕,6月10日,正式公开身份。斯诺登说,美国国家安全局搭建了一套基础系统,能截获几乎任何通信数据。他不希望生活在这样一个社会中,也不希望生活在一个一言一行都被记录的世界里。

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 “我希望追至天涯海角,也要让他得到正义的审判。”美国共和党参议员格雷厄姆对斯诺登的憎恨可见一斑。美国众议院议长博纳将斯诺登称为“卖国贼”。他称,“该信息的泄露陷美国人于危险之中,它暴露给敌人我们的能力是什么,这是严重违反法律的事情。”《澳大利亚人报》12日称,美国前驻联合国大使博尔顿谴责斯诺登的行为是“最恶劣的叛国”,主张对其审判。前众议员保罗11日警告说,他担心美国政府里有人可能用巡航导弹或无人机杀死斯诺登。

  《华盛顿邮报》说,斯诺登之前是国家安全局设在夏威夷的威胁行动中心的系统管理员,更早曾替中情局工作。该中心负责侦测对政府计算机系统的威胁。一位高层情报官员说,调查人员正在评估此次的泄密损失。台湾“中央社”11日报道说,斯诺登告诉《卫报》,他“有完全权限看国家安全局所有工作人员的值勤表、整个情报圈、世界各地的卧底干员、我们拥有每个工作站的位置、目前有哪些行动计划等”。美国国家情报总监克拉珀称,斯诺登给美国带来了巨大损失。澳大利亚《先驱太阳报》称,斯诺登5月从其在夏威夷的家消失以后,美国一个叫“Q小组”的绝密安全机构就一直在追缉这位揭秘者。在家看电影!德国高清投影机只卖799元>>

  截止11日,美国白宫网站出现4.4万人联署,要求奥巴马特赦斯诺登。美国《基督教科学箴言报》网站的讽刺漫画中,一个男子在看新闻,头条是“美国监控数百万民众电话数据”。旁边的老奶奶则很淡定:“太好了!政府知道我生活里的每个小细节……问问他们,我眼镜忘在哪里了?”根据《华盛顿邮报》与皮尤研究中心最新民调,56%的美国人认可国家安全局为发现恐怖行为而秘密监控民众电话记录的做法,41%的受访者反对。

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崔扭臂。。。。。。
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 香港或不是斯诺登最佳选择 俄愿考虑避难请求

  前港府保安局局长、现立法会议员的叶刘淑仪表示,斯诺登可能不知道港美两地有司法互助协议,他若要保障自己,最好离开香港。香港《明报》说,现在,港府唯一可以做的,就是鼓励斯诺登尽快离港,前往相对安全的地方。他曾表示希望去冰岛,特区政府如能暗中协助斯诺登与冰岛驻港外交人员取得联系,在美国提出移交逃犯安排前把他送去冰岛,则一场外交风暴或可化解于无形。

  “斯诺登能飞出香港吗?”《南华早报》12日以此为题撰文说,香港与全球130个地区有直通航班,但冰岛不在此列。厄瓜多尔曾给予维基解密的创始人阿桑奇政治庇护。阿桑奇也建议斯诺登到拉美寻求难民庇护。文章说,如果斯诺登有足够积蓄和外部援助的话,他可以租一架私人飞机从香港奔赴厄瓜多尔,这笔费用约在150万港元至300万港元之间。如果斯诺登选择商业航班,他可以在与美国没有引渡条约的10个国家中挑选,包括哈萨克斯坦和俄罗斯。


 俄罗斯《观点报》12日称,俄外长拉夫罗夫11日表示,尚未收到斯诺登的政治避难请求。他表示,如果收到请求,俄方将予以考虑。俄总统新闻秘书佩斯科夫也表示,俄方可能考虑为斯诺登提供政治避难。“今日俄罗斯”电视台12日称,普京就美国国家安全局泄密事件说:“至少在俄罗斯,没有法院批准你不能监听他人电话。”

  世界舆论场中多数是对斯诺登的同情和支持。《堪培拉时报》呼吁“我们需要自己的泄密者”。《阿曼时报》11日刊文将斯诺登称作“一位现代美国英雄”。英国《独立报》说,冰岛雷克雅未克市长表示,一直乐于看到有人选择雷克雅未克。

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 德国要求美方解释窃听事件是否涉及该国公民

  美国政府窃听门事件在德国引起很大反响。该国司法部发言人12日证实,其司法部长已致信美国司法部,要求说明是否有德国公民成为美国窃听目标。

  在这封对媒体公开的信件中,德国司法部长劳伊特豪瑟-施纳伦博格说,美国政府对互联网实行监控的消息,令德国政府感到担忧,并由此引发一系列问题。

  劳伊特豪瑟-施纳伦博格要求美国司法部长对窃听计划(Prism)的法律背景作出解释,并说明该计划是否涉及到欧洲尤其是德国公民。

  据德国媒体报道,由于该国和美国在反恐问题上相互合作,交换恐怖分子信息,并且Hotmail、Facebook这样的互联网供应商在德国非常活跃,因此美国政府对互联网信息的监控范围相信也包括德国公民。

联邦内政部长弗里德里希日前回答媒体问询时称,他本人对美国窃听计划不知情,目前已知的所有线索全部来自媒体报道。该国宪法保卫局负责人也作出同样表示。

  联邦信息保护机构负责人对媒体说,美国政府的窃听行动涉及范围之广、程度之大令人惊讶,几乎和“全天侯监视”没有区别。德国政府必须在这个问题上追究到底,责成美国政府改变侵犯个人信息的举动。

  美国总统奥巴马将于下周访问德国。德国总理默克尔已宣称,在与奥巴马的会晤中,窃听丑闻将成为二人讨论的问题之一。

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John McCain Calls For Invasion of Hong KongJun. 10, 2013

U.S. Senator John McCain called for the invasion of Hong Kong today in response to recent leaks about secret surveillance programs.

In an interview with BBC World News, the hawkish Republican said that by hosting the leaker, Edward Snowden, Hong Kong has proven itself to be an enemy of the United States.

"Either you're with us or you're against us," McCain explained to anchor Freddie Lyon, "and clearly the nation of Hong Kong is against us. By harboring this known cybercriminal they pose a clear and present danger to the American people.

"I don't want to hear about extradition or rendition or any of that nonsense. This man is a traitor and if we don't get him within 24 hours I say we need to start bombing the hell out of Hong Kong.

"Luckily this is a tiny country with no real military to speak of. I don't expect any resistance. We could probably destroy their infrastructure and occupy the entire country by the end of the week."



The Chinese Connection

Hong Kong is a former British colony that is now a Special Administrative Region of China. Although it has wide autonomy in domestic matters, defense and foreign affairs are the province of China - which has the world's second most powerful military after the United States.

John McCain, however, has a long history of advocating greater U.S. military involvement abroad, vociferously supporting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and calling for airstrikes in Syria.

The former 2008 presidential candidate has also been a vocal critic of China, but his willingness to use military force against a protectorate of Beijing is nevertheless a surprise to many. Yet in the interview McCain was unapologetic and said the U.S. shouldn't stop at an invasion.

"After we take Hong Kong and capture Snowden, we need to seriously think about annexing the territory,' he continued. "They have a world-class port, a great stock market and the best dim sum in the world. I don't know why China should have all of that and not us.

"If we had a military base in Hong Kong we could keep a close eye on what the Chinese are up to. We could station missiles that would be only minutes away from Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Tianjin - all the major cities. And finally we'd have a place where we could move the Guantanamo inmates.

"Sure it will be a difficult adjustment at first. But everyone already speaks English, so half our work is done. In time Hong Kongers will come to love our rule - just like the Hawaiians, the Filipinos and the Afghans."

McCain has served as a senator from Arizona since 1987. He was the Republican candidate for president in 2008, a contest he lost to Barack Obama.

http://dailycurrant.com/2013/06/10/john-mccain-calls-for-invasion-of-hong-kong

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时事论坛里的资深“政治家”“爱国侨胞”一口咬定这是造谣,也不知道这位“资深政治家”的消息渠道是什么。
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SECRET HISTORY: SCANDALS THAT HAVE ROCKED US SECURITY SERVICES[size=1.2em][size=1.4em]

[size=1.2em]1978: In response to outrage over spying on activists and other U.S. citizens, Congress passes the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. It creates a secret court to monitor spying within the United States. Known as the FISA court, its judges sign off on wiretapping and search warrants used against foreign agents and suspected spies and terrorists and Americans involved with them.

[size=1.2em]September 2001: The shock of the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington pushes George W. Bush's administration to seek new powers to improve intelligence-gathering and prevent terrorism.

[size=1.2em]October 2001: Congress and Bush rush the USA Patriot Act into law. It gives the government unprecedented authority to search, seize, detain or eavesdrop in pursuit of suspected terrorists. Because of privacy concerns, lawmakers make the eavesdropping provisions and other controversial aspects temporary, requiring renewal by Congress.

[size=1.2em]December 2005: The New York Times reports that the National Security Agency is secretly eavesdropping on telephone calls and emails of Americans communicating with people outside the United States, without seeking warrants from the FISA court. What becomes known as 'warrantless wiretapping' began in 2002 under a presidential order. Critics call it unconstitutional, but the Bush administration says it's legal.

[size=1.2em]March 2006: Congress votes to renew the Patriot Act, although lawmakers voice concerns about the government's broad powers to conduct surveillance and collect data.

[size=1.2em]May 11, 2006: USA Today reports that the NSA is secretly collecting phone records of millions of Americans in a giant database. Some of the phone companies cited dispute the story.

[size=1.2em]August 2006: A federal judge in Detroit rules that the NSA's warrantless surveillance program is unconstitutional because it infringes on free speech, privacy and the separation of powers. The program continues as the case is appealed.

[size=1.2em]January 2007: Responding to the court challenge and lawmakers' concerns, Bush suddenly changes course. His administration announces it will begin seeking approval from the FISA court when eavesdropping on telephone calls between the U.S. and other countries in pursuit of terrorists.

[size=1.2em]August 2007: Congress approves changes sought by the Bush administration to the FISA Act, officially allowing NSA eavesdropping on communications between an American and a suspect foreigner, without a FISA judge's approval.

[size=1.2em]May 2011: Congress passes and Obama signs a four-year extension of Patriot Act provisions on record searches and roving wiretaps. Some lawmakers complain that the law doesn't do enough to protect Americans' privacy and the disagreement forces the renewal to the last minute.

[size=1.2em]June 5, 2013: A British newspaper, The Guardian, reports that the NSA is collecting the telephone records of millions of American customers of Verizon under a top secret court order. Security experts say the records of other phone companies are also involved.

[size=1.2em]June 6, 2013: The Guardian and The Washington Post report that the NSA and the FBI are tapping into U.S. Internet companies, including Google and Facebook, scooping out emails, photos and videos to track foreign nationals who are suspected of terrorism or espionage.

[size=1.2em]That night, in a rare disclosure, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper reveals some information about the programs to counter what he says is the 'misleading impression' created by news coverage.

[size=1.2em]Clapper says the government is prohibited from 'indiscriminately sifting' through the data and can only review it when the query involves a reasonable suspicion that a foreign terrorist organization is involved. Clapper says articles about the Internet program 'contain numerous inaccuracies' but does not specify what those might be.

[size=1.2em]June 7, 2013: Obama defends the programs, saying he came into office with 'healthy skepticism' about them and has increased some safeguards to protect privacy. But he offers assurances that 'nobody is listening to your telephone calls' or reading citizens' emails. Obama says privacy must be balanced with security: 'We're going to have to make some choices as a society.'

[size=1.2em]June 8, 2013: For the second time in three days, Clapper takes the unusual step of declassifying some details of an intelligence program in response to media reports. He says the government program for tapping into Internet usage is authorized by Congress, falls under strict supervision of a secret court and cannot intentionally target a U.S. citizen.

[size=1.2em]Clapper says the data collection had the approval of the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court and was done with the knowledge of Internet service providers. He says media revelations of government intelligence-gathering programs are reckless and give America's enemies a 'playbook' on how to avoid detection.

[size=1.2em]June 9, 2013: Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old contractor who claims to have worked at the National Security Agency and the CIA allows himself to be revealed as the source of disclosures about the U.S. government's secret surveillance programs. Snowden tells The Guardian newspaper his 'sole motive is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them.'

[size=1.2em]Source: Associated Press




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从6月5、6、7、8、9号的变化来看,这个人不是与中国有关,而是与美国的另一股势力有关,或者是被它们激发了。
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发表于 2013-6-17 16:44:11 | 只看该作者
老老实实地推销你的中医和保险,你看起来还正常。

当你卖起你不善长的英文小道消息的时候,你不知道你有多可爱。
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发表于 2013-6-17 17:18:19 | 只看该作者
这是华尔街日报的官司博客,应该算比较正式的吧。
克 飞 发表于 2013-6-17 18:07



你英文太烂,听不懂人家在讲什么,所以劝你不要做勉强自己的事,老老实实地呆在华人圈里卖你的中药和保险。
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