[求助]日本和加拿大,那个更好?

yayacat1

I lived in Japan for 3 years, before I came to Canada. Japan is really really nice country, as long as you dont feel too much pressure on the job. Dont come to Cananada unless you assure you can find a job very quickly.  I have been canada for 4 years, but still feel want to go back to Japan.

The only thing in canada better than japan is woman can find better job. When I was in Japan, my wife cant work, because of Visa, but here, since both of us are working, household incoming can easily go over 100k/year. For a family, income are better than japan.

By the way, "派驻回国" is the best solution for chinese people who live abroad. What are you waiting for ?? "按本社社员待遇" get japanese salary, spend in china.  You will feel like rich man. Dont come to Canada, you have to start from very beginning. It's not good idea anayway

tyouyakuhei

佳弘 决定去加拿大了吗?还是已经去了?
我现在住在名古屋,也同样有去不去加拿大的苦恼.
想知道你是怎么下最后决心的.

newyorker1999

I've been living in Canada more than 5 years, before this I've lived in some most developed countries in Asia, such as Japan, Sigapore and Hong Kong, among all these places, I believe I've made the right decision not only for myself but also for my kids.
In my opinion, Canada is the BEST place in this planet to live compare to any other countries in the world.
The conclusion I drew are based on the following:
We all know to evaluate the quality of living for a place really involved numerous factors, among them I would say the social system, government, environment, culture and ideaology etc are the most important ones.
1) I agree that you have some big money to earn, but as one of the comments mentioned living is not all about money, many things you simple can not get using that fucking Yen.
Besides, take look at the country ranking in terms of quality of living rated by some autorizative orgs. Japan is FAR behind Canada and most European countries.
2). Autralia seems a good option, but hold on, look at their unemployment rate, it is just isolated huge island left behind in the Pacific Ocean. Look back at the geographical location of Canada.
3). United States is the ONLY country in the world on the same leve with Canada and compete with her in terms of quality of living. If you've evern been to United States, you will find there are surprisingly so many nice and quite places for a human being to live in there happily.
Cheers.

xiaoking1

Hi, You did not really give us detail reason why you said "Canada is the BEST place". You cant just generally say canada is better than japan. Organization's opinion doent mean anything to specific individual. But one thing you may be right, money is not about everything. In canada, even you are rich man, you cant enjoy as good service as Japan.For example, government employee, they dont care who you are, they are just working slow. when you call bank, cable company, you always have to wait a long time to get answer.


最初由[newyorker1999]发布
I've been living in Canada more than 5 years, before this I've lived in some most developed countries in Asia, such as Japan, Sigapore and Hong Kong, among all these places, I believe I've made the right decision not only for myself but also for my kids.
In my opinion, Canada is the BEST place in this planet to live compare to any other countries in the world.
The conclusion I drew are based on the following:
We all know to evaluate the quality of living for a place really involved numerous factors, among them I would say the social system, government, environment, culture and ideaology etc are the most important ones.
1) I agree that you have some big money to earn, but as one of the comments mentioned living is not all about money, many things you simple can not get using that fucking Yen.
Besides, take look at the country ranking in terms of quality of living rated by some autorizative orgs. Japan is FAR behind Canada and most European countries.
2). Autralia seems a good option, but hold on, look at their unemployment rate, it is just isolated huge island left behind in the Pacific Ocean. Look back at the geographical location of Canada.
3). United States is the ONLY country in the world on the same leve with Canada and compete with her in terms of quality of living. If you've evern been to United States, you will find there are surprisingly so many nice and quite places for a human being to live in there happily.
Cheers.

佳弘

最初由[tyouyakuhei]发布
佳弘 决定去加拿大了吗?

佳弘 决定去加拿大了吗?还是已经去了?
我现在住在名古屋,也同样有去不去加拿大的苦恼.
想知道你是怎么下最后决心的.

我们还在东京呢.不过今年会离开此地到加拿大的.
怎么下的最后决心? 每个人的人生目标都不一样,我们是反复思量了很久,确定了我们最想要的东西,然后决定的.我建议你最好去一趟加国,亲身体验一下,再下定论.
坦率的说,我觉得加拿大的物质生活条件根本比不上日本.service差,商场里的商品比较粗糙,环境比较脏乱(我只去过多伦多,屋太华,蒙特利尔等加东几个城市,也许有点以偏概全),总的来说,大而无味.比如说,即使是高速公路,路面的铺装也不如日本的一般国道平整.房子比日本大得多,也便宜的多,但内部装修和设计等,没得比.
但是, 在加拿大的生活有一点要比日本好得多, 就是自由. 我们可以选择自己的生活方式, 自由选择工作,不用老公每天上班12个小时,老婆每天象单身母亲一样担起全部家务. 现在老公的工资虽然不低,但好像卖给了公司一样,日本人一切以工作优先,家庭永远第二的精神,我还是学不到.我们向往夫妇一起上班,然后一到五点,准时下班,一个接孩子,一个买菜做饭,晚饭后全家聚在一起看书聊天的生活, 这在日本是不可能的.一句话, 我们期望着在加拿大能有更多的家庭生活时间.
另一方面,日本和中国的关系,似呼永无友好之时.我相信,如同现在中国出现抗日热潮一样,日本也会有排华的时候,我可不愿做风箱老鼠,两头受气.还有地震的威胁,也让我无法安心把家安在这儿.
乱七八糟写了一点,希望对你有点参考价值.
我们黄金周会去名古屋看万国博览会,如果能碰上再聊吧.

jie_ji

我也曾近去过日本，在大阪待一年，日语还算不错。英语一窍不通。但是回国之后，感觉和日斑的差距太大，更是加强了我的出国愿望。说实话，不想再回日本，在那里生活的很郁闷，总感觉不是自己的家。于是决定移民加拿大。

用两年的时间苦学英语，通过了亚斯，递上了材料，三年后登陆多伦多。现在也找到了不错的工作，丰衣足食。是的向你所说的那样，加拿大有很多地方不如日本，但是，加拿大就是我所要生活的地方。

因为，这里有自由，你不用顾及上司及同事的看法，上班挣钱，下班回家，想让我加班，那的看我有没有时间。

另外，我不想让我的孩子学日语，如果学上日语，一生只能在日本生活，因为英语很差（日本人的英语极差），想到别处去，很困难。而在这里，学英语，他有更大的发展空间，可以去美国，中国，欧洲。。。。。

日本自然资源极少，处处依赖进口，长期考虑，有一定危险。加拿大却正好相反。

如果你还年轻，有足够的勇气和决心，就来吧。奋斗以下，给自己更多的空间，也不枉一生。

tyouyakuhei

最初由[佳弘]发布
还在东京呢



我们还在东京呢.不过今年会离开此地到加拿大的.
怎么下的最后决心? 每个人的人生目标都不一样,我们是反复思量了很久,确定了我们最想要的东西,然后决定的.我建议你最好去一趟加国,亲身体验一下,再下定论.
坦率的说,我觉得加拿大的物质生活条件根本比不上日本.service差,商场里的商品比较粗糙,环境比较脏乱(我只去过多伦多,屋太华,蒙特利尔等加东几个城市,也许有点以偏概全),总的来说,大而无味.比如说,即使是高速公路,路面的铺装也不如日本的一般国道平整.房子比日本大得多,也便宜的多,但内部装修和设计等,没得比.
但是, 在加拿大的生活有一点要比日本好得多, 就是自由. 我们可以选择自己的生活方式, 自由选择工作,不用老公每天上班12个小时,老婆每天象单身母亲一样担起全部家务. 现在老公的工资虽然不低,但好像卖给了公司一样,日本人一切以工作优先,家庭永远第二的精神,我还是学不到.我们向往夫妇一起上班,然后一到五点,准时下班,一个接孩子,一个买菜做饭,晚饭后全家聚在一起看书聊天的生活, 这在日本是不可能的.一句话, 我们期望着在加拿大能有更多的家庭生活时间.
另一方面,日本和中国的关系,似呼永无友好之时.我相信,如同现在中国出现抗日热潮一样,日本也会有排华的时候,我可不愿做风箱老鼠,两头受气.还有地震的威胁,也让我无法安心把家安在这儿.
乱七八糟写了一点,希望对你有点参考价值.
我们黄金周会去名古屋看万国博览会,如果能碰上再聊吧.
谢谢你的回答，我在给你的悄悄话里写了我的Email地址和手机号，如果你们来名古屋时有时间，欢迎和我联系。

jareddd

日本？你不想要命了，还谈日本。

tyouyakuhei

最初由[jareddd]发布
日本？你不想要命了，还谈日本。
据说加拿大是法制社会,言论自由,所以谈谈日本应不算犯罪。不过,恐吓言论好象不在"言论自由"的范围之内。

kenju

×?????[xiaoking1]·???
Hi, You did not really give us detail reason why you said "Canada is the BEST place". You cant just generally say canada is better than japan. Organization's opinion doent mean anything to specific individual. But one thing you may be right, money is not about everything. In canada, even you are rich man, you cant enjoy as good service as Japan.For example, government employee, they dont care who you are, they are just working slow. when you call bank, cable company, you always have to wait a long time to get answer.




Cannot agree with you any more..

kenju

最初由[newyorker1999]发布
I've been living in Canada more than 5 years, before this I've lived in some most developed countries in Asia, such as Japan, Sigapore and Hong Kong, among all these places, I believe I've made the right decision not only for myself but also for my kids.
In my opinion, Canada is the BEST place in this planet to live compare to any other countries in the world.
The conclusion I drew are based on the following:
We all know to evaluate the quality of living for a place really involved numerous factors, among them I would say the social system, government, environment, culture and ideaology etc are the most important ones.
1) I agree that you have some big money to earn, but as one of the comments mentioned living is not all about money, many things you simple can not get using that fucking Yen.
Besides, take look at the country ranking in terms of quality of living rated by some autorizative orgs. Japan is FAR behind Canada and most European countries.
2). Autralia seems a good option, but hold on, look at their unemployment rate, it is just isolated huge island left behind in the Pacific Ocean. Look back at the geographical location of Canada.
3). United States is the ONLY country in the world on the same leve with Canada and compete with her in terms of quality of living. If you've evern been to United States, you will find there are surprisingly so many nice and quite places for a human being to live in there happily.
Cheers.

看了长篇累牍的 chinglish，我也没看出你嘴里说出来哪里加拿大比日本好得多的证据。你住过的地方我都住过，工作过，还有几个你没提到的我也混过。我在加拿大快4年了，刚入籍，在做回去中国日本混的打算。发现这里适合追求安逸的家庭，老人和孩子，包括你这样的受过打击的不实事求是者或者loser。小日本的优点你一个也没说，所以说法放P一样。如果说你是loser 错了的话，抱歉，你骂fucking JY给人的第一直觉就是或者你外汇亏得一塌糊涂。只怪你学艺不精。多看TA的书吧。

mbig.ca

加拿大生活品质远远超过日本.但是对与年龄较大的移民,英语是找工作的难题.
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