马航MH17被亲美乌克兰政府空对空导弹击落,后被乌克兰政府加农炮彻底摧毁
本帖最后由 飞鱼IT 于 2014-8-9 08:14 编辑MH17 Brought Down by Air-to-Air Missile, Finished Off by 30-mm Cannon, Experts AllegeBy Ria Novosti
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The Malaysian Boeing plane that crashed in eastern Ukraine in mid-July, could have been brought down by an air-to-air missile and a cannon of the Su-25 fighter that had been “shadowing it,” The New Straits Times reported on Wednesday citing experts.Experts believe that MH17 flight was shot down by an air-to-air missile fired from the fighter that later finished it off with a burst of 30mm cannon fire, the newspaper has reported.According to the experts, if this hypothesis is true, it would explain the bullet holes in some sections of MH17’s fuselage.http://en.ria.ru/images/19107/78/191077812.jpgMalaysian Boeing crashes in Ukraine“Some showed blast patterns consistent with shrapnel from a proximity-fused weapon while some showed the more precise grouping consistent with that of cannon fire. We’re analyzing this,” said one of the sources, adding that a detailed analysis of the pieces of the jetliner is needed to corroborate this emerging theory.Under this new version, the heat-seeker would have aimed at the hottest part of the aircraft’s engines. These claims rule out the previous version that the aircraft had been downed by the BUK missile system (NATO SA-11 ‘Gadfly’).“A BUK-M1, with its 70 kg head, would have been enough bring down the airliner without the need to go in for a guns kill,” the sources said.The Sukhoi Su-25 close-air support aircraft (NATO Frogfoot) has a maximum service ceiling of about 25,000 feet (7,620 meters). It has an internally mounted 30mm cannon for anti-armor work, the report said.“The Su-25 would have been operating at the extreme corner of its performance envelope but it’s entirely possible,” the sources added.Five days after the deadly crash, the Russian Defense Ministry said that the “shadowing” the MH17 was a Russian-manufactured Sukhoi Su-25 close-air support aircraft operated by the Ukrainian Air Force.The presence of the Ukrainian combat jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, said Lt. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov, the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces.The ministry’ s analysis of MH17 showed that the Russian air traffic control system picked up a deviation in the flight path of 14 kilometers north from the fixed corridor, well inside Ukrainian airspace, while following its assigned flight level of 33,000 feet.This deviation in the flight path could have been performed only under the instruction of Ukraine’s air traffic controllers. Russian radar nets also picked up “activity” by the Ukrainian Air Force in the area at the time MH17 was airborne.The air-to-ground transmission tapes between MH17 and Ukrainian air traffic controllers were seized by the Ukrainian Security Service on the day of the shootdown and have not been made available to investigators.Media reports said earlier that the information provided by the black boxes from the Boeing plane, which have not been so far unveiled to public, said that the aircraft was damaged by multiple fragments of a missile.
美国专家分析: MH17被乌克兰战机上空对空导弹击落
本帖最后由 飞鱼IT 于 2014-8-9 09:03 编辑US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft
An armed Ukrainian stands on part of the wreckage of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane after it crashed near the settlement of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, July 17, 2014.
An armed Ukrainian stands on part of the wreckage of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane after it crashed near the settlement of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, July 17, 2014.
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Intelligence analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile and that the Ukrainian government had something to do with it.
This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.
In a damning report dated Aug 3, headlined “Flight 17 Shoot-Down Scenario Shifts”, Associated Press reporter Robert Parry said, “some US intelligence sources had concluded that the rebels and Russia were likely not at fault and that it appears Ukrainian government forces were to blame.”
This new revelation was posted on GlobalResearch, an independent research and media organization.
In a statement released by the Ukrainian embassy on Tuesday, Kiev denied that its fighters were airborne during the time MH17 was shot down. This follows a statement released by the Russian Defense Ministry that its air traffic control had detected Ukrainian Air Force activity in the area on the same day.
They also denied all allegations made by the Russian government and said the country’s core interest was in ensuring an immediate, comprehensive, transparent and unbiased international investigation into the tragedy by establishing a state commission comprising experts from the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) and Eurocontrol.
“We have evidence that the plane was downed by Russian-backed terrorist with a BUK-M1 SAM system (North Atlantic Treaty Organization reporting name SA-11) which, together with the crew, had been supplied from Russia. This was all confirmed by our intelligence, intercepted telephone conversations of the terrorists and satellite pictures.
“At the same time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have never used any anti-aircraft missiles since the anti-terrorist operations started in early April,” the statement read.
Yesterday, the New Straits Times quoted experts who had said that photographs of the blast fragmentation patterns on the fuselage of the airliner showed two distinct shapes — the shredding pattern associated with a warhead packed with “flechettes”, and the more uniform, round-type penetration holes consistent with that of cannon rounds.
Parry’s conclusion also stemmed from the fact that despite assertions from the Obama administration, there has not been a shred of tangible evidence to support the conclusion that Russia supplied the rebels with the BUK-M1 anti-aircraft missile system that would be needed to hit a civilian jetliner flying at 33,000 feet.
Parry also cited a July 29 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation interview with Michael Bociurkiw, one of the first Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) investigators to arrive at the scene of the disaster, near Donetsk.
Bociurkiw is a Ukrainian-Canadian monitor with OSCE who, along with another colleague, were the first international monitors to reach the wreckage after flight MH17 was brought down over eastern Ukraine.
In the CBC interview, the reporter in the video preceded it with: “The wreckage was still smoldering when a small team from the OSCE got there. No other officials arrived for days.”
“There have been two or three pieces of fuselage that have been really pockmarked with what almost looks like machinegun fire; very, very strong machinegun fire,” Bociurkiw said in the interview.
Parry had said that Bociurkiw’s testimony is “as close to virgin, untouched evidence and testimony as we’ll ever get. Unlike a black-box interpretation-analysis long afterward by the Russian, British or Ukrainian governments, each of which has a horse in this race, this testimony from Bociurkiw is raw, independent and comes from one of the two earliest witnesses to the physical evidence.
“That’s powerfully authoritative testimony. Bociurkiw arrived there fast because he negotiated with the locals for the rest of the OSCE team, who were organizing to come later,” Parry had said.
Retired Lufthansa pilot Peter Haisenko had also weighed in on the new shootdown theory with Parry and pointed to the entry and exit holes centered around the cockpit.
“You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30mm caliber projectile.
“The edge of the other, the larger and slightly frayed exit holes, show shreds of metal pointing produced by the same caliber projectiles. Moreover, it is evident that these exit holes of the outer layer of the double aluminum reinforced structure are shredded or bent — outwardly.”
He deduced that in order to have some of those holes fraying inwardly, and the others fraying outwardly, there had to have been a second fighter firing into the cockpit from the airliner’s starboard side. This is critical, as no surface-fired missile (or shrapnel) hitting the airliner could possibly punch holes into the cockpit from both sides of the plane.
“It had to have been a hail of bullets from both sides that brought the plane down. This is Haisenko’s main discovery. You can’t have projectiles going in both directions — into the left-hand-side fuselage panel from both its left and right sides — unless they are coming at the panel from different directions.
“Nobody before Haisenko had noticed that the projectiles had ripped through that panel from both its left side and its right side. This is what rules out any ground-fired missile,” Parry had said.
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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/07/374410/fighter-jet-shot-down-mh17-us-experts/ 本帖最后由 飞鱼IT 于 2014-8-9 08:31 编辑
乌克兰太对不起美国了,击落了飞机栽赃乌克兰亲俄武装, 但是,没有本事抢到黑匣子,最后被解密.
从MH17被击落开始就大造舆论,然后西方没等结论出来就制裁俄罗斯.
很明显, 就是为了制裁俄罗斯制造了此次事件.
哪个国家是世界上最大的恐怖组织.明眼人一看便知. 还有个被诅咒最贪婪的邪恶民族，几千年来一直被到处驱逐，这个国家最终会被这个民族带向没落甚至毁灭。 三个黑匣子, 乌克兰民间武装抢到2个,最后一个可能被乌克兰军方抢到销毁.
乌克兰总理因为此次办事不力,自动辞职. 乌克兰民间武装能把万尺高空飞机打下来，原来就没有人信，在乌克兰境内俄罗斯怎么可能打飞机？？没有理由也没有必要。想想都知道。谁干的。诚惶诚恐的乌克兰的军队误判为俄罗斯运输机。最有可能。美国的狂傲。势必促使中，俄联合对抗西方。 乌克兰呀乌克兰, 你让奥巴马还怎么有脸出门! 比小布什还丢人. 小布什造假说萨达姆有大规模杀伤性武器. 奥巴马和乌克兰更黑, 自己打下客机还栽赃俄罗斯, 这传出去........还是欧洲国家比奥巴马老道, 不冲在前面丢脸. 真狠啊！ 乌克兰民间武装能把万尺高空飞机打下来，原来就没有人信，在乌克兰境内俄罗斯怎么可能打飞机？？没有理由也没有必要。想想都知道。谁干的。诚惶诚恐的乌克兰的军队误判为俄罗斯运输机。最有可能。美国的狂傲。势必促使中，俄联合对抗西方。
稀泥派 老刘 发表于 2014-8-9 11:10 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif这你都相信啊？加农炮怎么摧毁飞机呢？在空难发生后的几十天里，亲俄武装和当地的居民从来都没有声称有炮弹落到飞机坠毁现场，再说，加农炮落下的地方必然有巨大的弹坑，谁发现了？？我觉得，若想知道到底是谁击落的这架客机，还是等等国际组织调查的结论吧！ 本帖最后由 weinberger 于 2014-8-9 11:41 编辑
Ria novosti 是俄罗斯的宣传工具。报道没有可信度。飞机被打下当天，该媒体就说是乌克兰误认其为普京专机发导弹击落的，看看没人信现在又改口了。 楼上是故意搞笑吧，文中说的是飞机航炮，不是地上那种加农炮。 乌克兰太对不起美国了,击落了飞机栽赃乌克兰亲俄武装, 但是,没有本事抢到黑匣子,最后被解密.
从MH17被击落开始就大造舆论,然后西方没等结论出来就制裁俄罗斯.
很明显, 就是为了制裁俄罗斯制造了此次事件.
哪个国家是世界上最大的恐怖组织.明眼人一看便知. 还有个被诅咒最贪婪的邪恶民族，几千年来一直被到处驱逐，这个国家最终会被这个民族带向没落甚至毁灭。
飞鱼IT 发表于 2014-8-9 08:09 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
保守党党魁哈珀怎么办？ 且看加拿大那个牛仔总理这回怎么说，等待中:thinking: 可能又是一笔无结果的冤孽。。。。可惜那无辜几百人啊，，，，全是精英。信什么有用啊？？除了痛哭还是痛哭，，，超人在哪》？？神仙在哪？？？ 且看加拿大那个牛仔总理这回怎么说，等待中
三达 发表于 2014-8-9 11:51 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
哈怕: 且看我黑老大总统这回怎么说，等待中 这你都相信啊？加农炮怎么摧毁飞机呢？在空难发生后的几十天里，亲俄武装和当地的居民从来都没有声称有炮弹落到飞机坠毁现场，再说，加农炮落下的地方必然有巨大的弹坑，谁发现了？？我觉得，若想知道到底是谁击落的这架客机，还是等等国际组织调查的结论吧！
费老 发表于 2014-8-9 11:31 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
MH17一处飞机碎片显示其遭到30mm加农炮的袭击.