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华人抱怨:警察为啥爱管两口子打架?

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正常夫妻即使动手,最好不要打911,这个过程非常费钱,非常影响婚姻基础,非常影响孩子,非常痛苦。没有案底的话,在情节轻微加上好律师,好律师意味着花大钱,加上运气的话,还可以。如果有了案底,不但男的完了,对 ... [ 查看全文 ]

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夫妻吵架不一定是坏事, 有些多管闲事的是一类“宪民”, 无论在中国还是加拿大,都存在这样一些人,遇到这种人做邻居, 真的会很不爽的。。。。这通常是一些素质不高还想装B的人。
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发表于 2016-4-10 13:22:41 | 只看该作者
老虎667 发表于 2016-4-10 12:26
不是家暴有理,而是有些事算不算家暴,所以说要有度的概念。
比如这条新闻 http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/ ...

公诉,不是Civil。侵犯了公众利益
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发表于 2016-4-10 10:08:11 | 只看该作者

华人抱怨:警察为啥爱管两口子打架?

本帖最后由 goldeneyes 于 2016-4-10 10:15 编辑

奴隶是不能让它们团结的,哪怕是以家庭为单位,找到借口就拆散,不管是真是假,真的也不给改过机会,同时还能敲一笔
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发表于 2016-4-10 10:32:48 | 只看该作者

凡事都有适度的界限。对于真正的家暴,确实需要帮助,但是现在很多情况是“帮助”过度了,帮助别人不是从善意出发,而是以把事情搞大从中渔利为目的。
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发表于 2016-4-10 11:15:15 | 只看该作者
开心小人 发表于 2016-4-10 11:05
搞不懂,如果报警人是一气之下的冲动,那警察来了后或者过后第二天,她还是坚持? ...

唐炜臻一案跟家庭纠纷是一回事,警察的作用和目的破坏,警察是武装,武器和工具,不是调解和做思想工作的的,其目的就是为自己和律师创收,只有用法律和法庭才能知道我们每个人家庭和公司有多少财产,他们才有利可图。
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发表于 2016-4-10 11:40:17 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 和者盖寡A 于 2016-4-10 11:42 编辑
唐炜臻 发表于 2016-4-10 11:15
唐炜臻一案跟家庭纠纷是一回事,警察的作用和目的破坏,警察是武装,武器和工具,不是调解和做思想工作的 ...

在商业化的社会,Nothing is free. Everything is money. 所以法律系统也不例外。因为这是一个商业化的法律系统,你的话就有了一定的道理。警察的执法跟钱有了联系,警察也会变得不公正,甚至违法。
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发表于 2016-4-10 11:42:12 | 只看该作者
异曲同工之处。我跟投资人最多是民事纠纷,跟家庭纠纷一样,他们故意把我的事搞成刑事,污蔑我是诈骗才有利可图。
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发表于 2016-4-10 11:48:55 | 只看该作者
WHY DOES WEIZHEN TANG INSIST THAT HE IS NOT GUILTY.

Firstly, he insists that any deprivation to the investors was not caused by any deceit, falsehood, or other fraudulent means.
Secondly, he insists, that at no time did he ever, ever intend to defraud his investors. While His Honour at the end of the day, will define the element of ‘intention’ to you. And it is certainly narrowly defined. The fact of the matter is that, according to the law, the crown simply has not discharged its onus to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Weizhen Tang knew, knew in his mind, that saying or doing any of these alleged transgressions could put at risk the economic or financial interest of the complainants.
Query, why has Weizhen Tang, so courageously, so vehemently, so insistently stood up and railed against the OSC?
Firstly, as testified to, he welcomes any and all investigation. Indeed, you heard him boldly tell the Crown that he welcomed Mr. Gattrell’s cross-examination and asserted those memorable words in this trial to ‘Bring it On’.
He says he is not only guilty of fraud, but that he is anti-fraud. Why does he say this. Because throughout the trial, Weizhen Tang has insisted that the OSC doesn’t protect investors whereas Weizheng Tang did. In fact, Weizhen Tang throughout the trial, would indicate either in cross-examination or in testimony  that the OSC rarely gets its man.
Weizhen Tang asserts that the OSC investigator, one Mr. Thompson, had the opportunity to discuss his case with his former colleagues at the Fraud detachment – the same detachment that charged Weizhen Tang in November of 2009 with Fraud.
Weizhen Tang insists, that unlike Bre-X, Sino-Forest, and one Joe Feng Deng of MP Global Financial limited, he Weizhen Tang was charged with both OSC and Criminal Charges. And this, according to Weizhen Tang, was because of bias.
TANG BIAS

And here are the reasons for the alleged bias on the part of the OSC:
1)        Weizhen Tang had a uniquely high profile in the Chinese Community. He singlehandedly funded the 2007, 2008, and 2009 Chinese New Years Show. He singlehandedly organized the two North American Chinese Wealth Summits in 2006 and 2009 that we’ve heard about. And he was the brains, the finances, the inspiring force behind the 4.13 10,000 man march to steps of Parliament Hill.
2)         Weizhen Tang points to his visit by the Canadian Security Intelligence  Service (CSIS) to question him about this 4.13 rally.
3)        Weizhen Tang insists that but for his television and letter campaign against the OSC prior to the criminal charge, he would have never been criminally charged. In essence, he’s the gadfly of the OSC. That is, a man who persistently annoys or provokes others with criticism, schemes, ideas, demands, requests, etc.
4)        As an example of this, you’ve heard about the Business News Network interviews Weizhen Tang did, along with the 25 point plan sent to all the media outlets indicating his defence and serious issues with the OSC.  To draw a very poor analogy, just as Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses one October day in 1517 to the door of All Saint’s Church in Wittenberg, so  did Weizhen Tang email his 24 Theses to the doors of the media outlets of this great country. Again, this was prior to the criminal charge being laid. And it can be found at Exhibit 113 for your deliberation. Enumerated in his 25 points are the following:

#18 Investors have been suffering because of the OSC cease trading order and other actions, and should wait no longer so see justice.
#19 The OSC has its own agenda, image and interest, with little thought or concern for the rights of investors and the public interest.
#20 The OSC mainly protects bank and other large institutions, while injuring individual investors. One can legitimately feel that the OSC has become the enemy of small business and individual investors.
#21   It is informative that a large percentage of Weizhen Tang’s investors have always supported him to continue to trade for them, even after he was under investigation and hit with This unfortunate and unfair cease order.
#22   Once can imagine a tragic new slogan for the Ontario Securities Commission and The American Securities Exchange Commission, after the way they have treated Weizhen Tang: “Too big to fail and too small to save.
TANG – IMPECUNIOUS

Weizhen Tang indicates that there is absolutely no evidence as confirmed by the accountant in this trial that he diverted monies to any offshore accounts, that he lived a lavish lifestyle etc that one could perhaps expect from a fraudster. In fact Weizhen Tang testified and provided documents about his inability to pay for a lawyer, pay for his property taxes, pay for a forensic accountant of his own, or even  the gas in his house. You heard Weizhen Tang testify that he and his family members had to attend for a month or two to the local Young Man’s Christian Association (YMCA) to take showers. Further, he testified as to a court order to sell his own home, he provided letters from the bailiff’s office concerning monies owing, and upon his release for jail, there’s a picture of him in evidence at a garage sale he conducted to raise $3000.00. But perhaps the most real testimony in this regard was when Weizhen Tang cried like a broken man when speaking to the fact that he had to collapse his only son’s education fund. Of course, on this point, His Honour will instruct you that you are to make your decision in this case without sympathy, prejudice or fear. You will note, however, that Weizhen Tang broke down just before lunch on Wednesday, October 17, and when the afternoon court session commenced, Weizhen Tang introduced a UPS envelope with an accompanying letter advising him that TD Bank headquarters was shutting down his personal account. Indeed, there were 6 letters delivered to his doorstep that day, indicating that everyone of his family members were having their TD accounts shut down. Seeing that Weizhen Tang pays his mortgage to the TD bank through his TD account, he queried how he would continue. Strange, this would happen in the middle of his trial. But suffice it to say, it speaks to his impecunious nature. That is, that Weizhen Tang is barely hanging one financially. Indeed, Weizhen Tang’s defence of the fraud allegation, can be partly summed up in the following words – “If I’m a fraudster, then show me my money”
Now, of course to prove the fraud allegation, the crown need not show that Tang or any other accused for that matter has piles of money horded in some account. But again, strange, that a man accused of intending to defraud his investors would mortgage his home to provide a cheque for $236,000 to his investors when the Weizhen Tang ship was sinking. Strange too, that at tab 16 of the Exhibit 84, the analysis of his funds report, that upon receiving 1 million dollars from Lucy Lu that he would immediately pay 8 investors tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars.
TANG BIAS

If I could return to Tang’s bias argument concerning the OSC. You will recall that the expert, who is also an OSC investigator, accountant Michael de Verteuil, wrote at paragraph 6 of his narrative, and I quote, “Personal bank records were not sought or obtained because they were considered beyond the scope of this analysis and therefore funds transferred to the personal account of Tang or the joint account between Tang and Hong Xiao were not analyzed further”
However, when the accountant was questioned about this, he noted that he was mistaken and that Tang’s personal records were indeed sought and obtained, but that he simply did not think it worth while to  look into them.
Now,  Weizhen Tang asserts that his personal records, which I understand can be found in the Ex 81 disk, will show much monies coming out to pay for the New Year’s Shows, Rallies, Wealth Summit and fund raising event and donations etc.
Query, if  Weizhen Tang’s personal records are not important to this case and Weizhen Tang’s lack of personal gain were not important to this case, why  would the crown attorney spend a good part of his cross-examination late Thursday afternoon last, showing cheques made from Weizhen Tang’s business to him personally.
In other words, if the accountant is right in asserting Tang’s personal finances are not important, and if Tang is wrong in emphasizing his lack of personal gain in this case, then why would the crown spend so much time on these cheques to Tang.
Tang says to you ladies and gentlemen, that to be fair, it’s important for you to look into his personal finances, and invites you to examine exhibit 81 with the utmost scrutiny, in order to give you a balanced picture of what was really happening at the time.
PETITIONS

Weizhen Tang states have you ever heard a fraud case of where many of the investors are signing a petition to have the alleged fraudster trade again. Strange?
He states what kind of fraudster spends his own money to pay investors, instead of trying to horde as much money as he can when the ship is sinking. Tis a bit odd, isn’t it?
Tang notes, what kind of fraudster, would insist on fighting the OSC on behalf of himself and investors, and invite the authorities to actually investigate him. Isn’t this too counterintuitive?
He queries that if he is some type of manipulative genius purposely committing a fraud on his investors, why is that he ends up having to take cold showers at the YMCA,  collapsing his only son’s education fun, and have no money for his defence?
He mentions, why would he agree to face his investors at all these meetings, if he truly has something to hide. If you’ve got something to hide, wouldn’t you run.
STRAIGHT FROM WEIZHEN TANG

Mr. Tang testified that the numbers on the account balances were true promises or targets.  He notes that he was not deceiving anyone at any time.
He states that he paid all the investors at all material times except that after the financial tsunami and the OSC interruption he was prevented from being able to carry out his obligations.
He notes that his real time trading ability vindicates his ability and skill to pay investors. He notes that the five day live trading demonstration and its reflected results on the account balances shows you that what his saying is true. In fact, Tang testified that many times he would provide real time trading demonstration to his investors and that the results thereof were accurately reflected in the account balances.
He further notes that using money from new investors to pay old investors is an industry standard. That new investor money is important cash flow. He asserts it’s only a crime to actually take money from investors.
He further notes that the key is the intention to steal money or defraud investors. And of this he is not guilty.
He argues that contrary to the crown’s assertions that Tang’s investors never knew the risks, the investors G in fact, had a variety of ways to control the risk. They could check on his real time trading for example. And he further points out to the fact that there were 30 million dollars plus in actual redemptions at the time of the crisis.
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发表于 2016-4-10 11:59:33 来自触屏版 | 只看该作者
呵呵,家暴还有理了,被施暴的一方还不许报警了?既然你们认识到这里不是中国,报警后果严重,也得知道,这里不是中国,老婆想打就能打。在外面觉得被白人歧视晚上回家打老婆出气,还理直气壮,三观感人啊。
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发表于 2016-4-10 12:13:55 | 只看该作者
Queer 发表于 2016-4-10 11:59
呵呵,家暴还有理了,被施暴的一方还不许报警了?既然你们认识到这里不是中国,报警后果严重,也得知道,这 ...

一个是敌我矛盾,一个是内部矛盾,家庭矛盾问题。如果夫妻的矛盾到了不可调和的情况下就转变成敌我矛盾找警察没错。

我和我的投资人并没有不可调和的矛盾,只是有意见和抱怨。
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发表于 2016-4-10 12:26:38 来自触屏版 | 只看该作者
Queer 发表于 2016-4-10 11:59
呵呵,家暴还有理了,被施暴的一方还不许报警了?既然你们认识到这里不是中国,报警后果严重,也得知道,这 ...

不是家暴有理,而是有些事算不算家暴,所以说要有度的概念。
比如这条新闻 http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/nova-scotia/trailer-park-boys-bubbles-la-arrest-1.3518081

一个加拿大男演员被抓了,交两万保释,是周围的人报的警。最打脸的是他女朋友公开说:我没觉得危险,否则我自己会报警,无须别人代劳。可是男的还是被抓了。这么容易就被抓了,公平吗?
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发表于 2016-4-10 12:38:09 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 D.J 于 2016-4-10 12:40 编辑

加拿大这里只能骂人不得动手,管你是夫妻,父子等,动手都侵犯人权。至于唐骗子,他就骗别人钱,不骗他老婆钱,他现在脑残了,怎么会跟家暴联系在一起。难道他还动手打老婆?
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发表于 2016-4-10 12:40:45 | 只看该作者
D.J 发表于 2016-4-10 12:38
加拿大这里只能骂人不得动手,管你是夫妻,父子等,都侵犯人权。

骂人也要注意内容,如死亡威胁(你等着,我早晚整死你),那就是大麻烦。
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你猜吧 发表于 2016-4-10 12:40
骂人也要注意内容,如死亡威胁(你等着,我早晚整死你),那就是大麻烦。 ...

对,骂人不能威胁。骂骂唐骗子傻瓜可以,不能说要打谁,更不能说杀人了,动手更是犯罪,从愚昧落后的国家来的一些人不理解。
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发表于 2016-4-10 12:46:34 | 只看该作者
警察爱管风险最小,生钱效率最高。
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发表于 2016-4-10 12:48:17 | 只看该作者
D.J 发表于 2016-4-10 12:43
对,骂人不能威胁。骂骂唐骗子傻瓜可以,不能说要打谁,更不能说杀人了,动手更是犯罪,从愚昧落后的国家 ...

辫子国的人普遍无知而无畏,无耻而无敌。
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发表于 2016-4-10 13:21:31 | 只看该作者
和者盖寡A 发表于 2016-4-10 11:40
在商业化的社会,Nothing is free. Everything is money. 所以法律系统也不例外。因为这是一个商业化的法 ...

不仅仅是钱的问题。一旦警察出警,程序走到Crown的公诉,都有法律责任。中国更厉害。
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