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发表于 2016-4-8 21:31:51 | 只看该作者
克 飞 发表于 2016-4-8 19:58
XuXu,我已经多次警告过你不要给网友乱起带诲辱性的外号了.。。只不过看着你应是年长之人, 没有太怎么而已 ...

不讲情面,你想怎么样?
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发表于 2016-4-9 11:09:22 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 xuxi 于 2016-4-9 11:14 编辑
克 飞 发表于 2016-4-8 20:51
真是少有, 积点口德, 也是让你做人看起来有点尊严。。。你要说我胡说,  也不问问你自己是啥智商?我实在想 ...


克飞克大白胡,用不用把你胡说的帖子一条条列在这里啊?克飞克大白胡,你很悲催啊,心比天高,命比纸薄,证书没少考,就是啥球事干不成,典型高分低能,与跳桥的双博士有一拼,你是干累脖,没力气,做保险,没客户,干教师,没资格,做中医,没执照,你就是一废物啊,也只能泡51混网络,做个网络混子了

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发表于 2016-4-9 11:37:38 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 你猜吧 于 2016-4-9 11:39 编辑
克 飞 发表于 2016-4-8 20:51
真是少有, 积点口德, 也是让你做人看起来有点尊严。。。你要说我胡说,  也不问问你自己是啥智商?我实在想 ...

有人是五毛里的猪---生猪
有人是党奴里的鸡---野鸡
有人是地球上的妖---人妖
有人是宇宙里的神---大神

我说的这是谁呀?你猜吧。

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发表于 2016-4-9 18:34:09 | 只看该作者
—————  2016-04-09  —————

唐炜臻  18:52

昨天遇到几个打官司有经验的朋友,我们发现这是一个奇怪的领域,华人在海外打官司很薄弱,需要培养教育和训练,打官司是个好生意,我们可以一起来打,把它做成一个大生意,我们自己研究,自主,尽心尽力,价廉物美,发挥主管能动性和自由。用自己的案例和知识经验帮助别人。

很多人遇到官司头痛,紧张,害怕,逃跑。请律师没有钱,更麻烦的是,一般律师收钱不办事,办不了事,把你卖了还要你付钱。

最好是先请有经验的人们把案子先自己搞清楚,法律研究清楚,战略战术,搞清楚,文件做好,让当事人自己出面或者请律师出庭就行。

唐老师在如此境遇中,还能想到要用自己的案例帮助别人,说明唐老师是一个坚持正义,乐于助人的人。想信所有支持正义的人们,都会支持您。

我是全心全意为投资人和人民群众服务的,始终把投资人的利益放在首位,我的打官司难度越大,作用越大,影响越大,利益就越大,我坚信我一定会赢的,前天是一个十分重要的决定,但不是唯一的决定,我会有很多法庭活动,越打越有经验和智慧,力量。

打官司,最佳方案是自力更生,艰苦奋斗。案情自己最清楚,法律明白,知己知彼,百战不胜。

相信会有水落石出真相大白的一天,但这也许也是一个异常艰辛漫长的过程。
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发表于 2016-4-9 18:42:19 | 只看该作者
D.J 发表于 2016-4-8 11:29
当年在电视上看唐骗子忽悠他每天能赚?%,就想这骗子进监狱不遥远了。到了那时候估计他裤子都快输光了。这 ...

他吹的是每周赚1%,那个时候他应该已经把本钱亏光了,也许他把本钱移作他用,他没有纪录很难知道投资者的本钱到底哪里去了,他在北京政协礼堂"刮大旋风“的时候,费用应该很高,花谁的钱?他自己的或是投资者的?
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发表于 2016-4-10 11:29:08 | 只看该作者
我根本没有吹,我是宣传和推广我的1%理论与实践,我做过演示和示范无数次,投资人亲眼看到这种能力才投资的。投资无论亏损盈利是我负责,我始终把投资人的利益放在首位。
我随时随地可以做给大家看,即使现在。
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发表于 2016-4-10 11:29:42 | 只看该作者
邓越文的律师说他跟投资人没有签订投资合同
Anthony Speciale, Deng’s lawyer, countered the point in the afternoon by arguing that no investment contract was ever entered between MP and its investors whatsoever.
外汇交易不是投资人和他之间的事,亏损和盈利跟投资人没有直接的关系。投资人得到固定回报。
Forex trading was never carried out by lenders and investors, who do not share the risks, the profits and the losses, rather than being given a flat rate of return, said Speciale.
外汇不属于证券会的监管范围
Speciale further argued that forex activities do not fall under the jurisdiction of the securities legislation.
证券会的审判团没有权利作出判决,因为不是证券立法范围。
“It is my submission to you that it is important for you to determine whether this Commission’s panel has the jurisdiction to regulate the forex activities, which is the target of the cease trade order issued against my client… The forex is a peculiar economic activity that transcends provincial and international boundaries,” Speciale told the panel.
外汇交易属于经济活动

And the “guaranteed corporate debentures” issued by MP global do not satisfy the legal definition of debenture under the Ontario Securities Act, according to Deng’s lawyer.

“A young man who left a bank in 2005 decided to take advantage of the opportunities in Canada and opened a business as a sole proprietorship and committed himself into the commercial world… There were some losses that occurred in 2008 and 2009, which was primarily brought on as a result of economic activities that he carried on.

“This is not a Madoff situation, and this is not a Weizhen Tang situation. There is legitimacy in the business,” said Speciale.

The OSC investigators should have tried to mediate with MP Global, and there is no provision under the Act that prevents them from doing so, stated Speciale.

"To make a statement that my client was involved in a criminal gang activity is probably as serious as you can get,” said Speciale, referring to some email conversations between the OSC investigators and investors in 2009.

In responding to Britton’s allegation that Deng lied to the panel during the cross examination over the $118,000 credit card expense on a diamond ring he bought for his wife, Speciale told the panel that Deng did not lie。

“He did a bit of skidding, which is a normal reaction from someone who is in a desperate situation and facing the enormous pressure from the unlimited investigative power of the OSC,” said Speciale.

“Put yourself in the situation where the young man is: His in-laws invested with him, people were knocking on his doors requesting repayments from him, and he had marital problems with the wife who suffered a miscarriage… Should he be allowed to protect himself?” said Speciale. But it was Deng who put people in a desperate situation, said Britton, the OSC lawyer.

“Deng raised 20 million and lost 7 million of investors’ money…
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发表于 2016-4-10 11:43:51 | 只看该作者
WHY DOES WEIZHEN TANG INSIST THAT HE IS NOT GUILTY.

Firstly, he insists that any deprivation to the investors was not caused by any deceit, falsehood, or other fraudulent means.
Secondly, he insists, that at no time did he ever, ever intend to defraud his investors. While His Honour at the end of the day, will define the element of ‘intention’ to you. And it is certainly narrowly defined. The fact of the matter is that, according to the law, the crown simply has not discharged its onus to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Weizhen Tang knew, knew in his mind, that saying or doing any of these alleged transgressions could put at risk the economic or financial interest of the complainants.
Query, why has Weizhen Tang, so courageously, so vehemently, so insistently stood up and railed against the OSC?
Firstly, as testified to, he welcomes any and all investigation. Indeed, you heard him boldly tell the Crown that he welcomed Mr. Gattrell’s cross-examination and asserted those memorable words in this trial to ‘Bring it On’.
He says he is not only guilty of fraud, but that he is anti-fraud. Why does he say this. Because throughout the trial, Weizhen Tang has insisted that the OSC doesn’t protect investors whereas Weizheng Tang did. In fact, Weizhen Tang throughout the trial, would indicate either in cross-examination or in testimony  that the OSC rarely gets its man.
Weizhen Tang asserts that the OSC investigator, one Mr. Thompson, had the opportunity to discuss his case with his former colleagues at the Fraud detachment – the same detachment that charged Weizhen Tang in November of 2009 with Fraud.
Weizhen Tang insists, that unlike Bre-X, Sino-Forest, and one Joe Feng Deng of MP Global Financial limited, he Weizhen Tang was charged with both OSC and Criminal Charges. And this, according to Weizhen Tang, was because of bias.
TANG BIAS

And here are the reasons for the alleged bias on the part of the OSC:
1)        Weizhen Tang had a uniquely high profile in the Chinese Community. He singlehandedly funded the 2007, 2008, and 2009 Chinese New Years Show. He singlehandedly organized the two North American Chinese Wealth Summits in 2006 and 2009 that we’ve heard about. And he was the brains, the finances, the inspiring force behind the 4.13 10,000 man march to steps of Parliament Hill.
2)         Weizhen Tang points to his visit by the Canadian Security Intelligence  Service (CSIS) to question him about this 4.13 rally.
3)        Weizhen Tang insists that but for his television and letter campaign against the OSC prior to the criminal charge, he would have never been criminally charged. In essence, he’s the gadfly of the OSC. That is, a man who persistently annoys or provokes others with criticism, schemes, ideas, demands, requests, etc.
4)        As an example of this, you’ve heard about the Business News Network interviews Weizhen Tang did, along with the 25 point plan sent to all the media outlets indicating his defence and serious issues with the OSC.  To draw a very poor analogy, just as Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses one October day in 1517 to the door of All Saint’s Church in Wittenberg, so  did Weizhen Tang email his 24 Theses to the doors of the media outlets of this great country. Again, this was prior to the criminal charge being laid. And it can be found at Exhibit 113 for your deliberation. Enumerated in his 25 points are the following:

#18 Investors have been suffering because of the OSC cease trading order and other actions, and should wait no longer so see justice.
#19 The OSC has its own agenda, image and interest, with little thought or concern for the rights of investors and the public interest.
#20 The OSC mainly protects bank and other large institutions, while injuring individual investors. One can legitimately feel that the OSC has become the enemy of small business and individual investors.
#21   It is informative that a large percentage of Weizhen Tang’s investors have always supported him to continue to trade for them, even after he was under investigation and hit with This unfortunate and unfair cease order.
#22   Once can imagine a tragic new slogan for the Ontario Securities Commission and The American Securities Exchange Commission, after the way they have treated Weizhen Tang: “Too big to fail and too small to save.
TANG – IMPECUNIOUS

Weizhen Tang indicates that there is absolutely no evidence as confirmed by the accountant in this trial that he diverted monies to any offshore accounts, that he lived a lavish lifestyle etc that one could perhaps expect from a fraudster. In fact Weizhen Tang testified and provided documents about his inability to pay for a lawyer, pay for his property taxes, pay for a forensic accountant of his own, or even  the gas in his house. You heard Weizhen Tang testify that he and his family members had to attend for a month or two to the local Young Man’s Christian Association (YMCA) to take showers. Further, he testified as to a court order to sell his own home, he provided letters from the bailiff’s office concerning monies owing, and upon his release for jail, there’s a picture of him in evidence at a garage sale he conducted to raise $3000.00. But perhaps the most real testimony in this regard was when Weizhen Tang cried like a broken man when speaking to the fact that he had to collapse his only son’s education fund. Of course, on this point, His Honour will instruct you that you are to make your decision in this case without sympathy, prejudice or fear. You will note, however, that Weizhen Tang broke down just before lunch on Wednesday, October 17, and when the afternoon court session commenced, Weizhen Tang introduced a UPS envelope with an accompanying letter advising him that TD Bank headquarters was shutting down his personal account. Indeed, there were 6 letters delivered to his doorstep that day, indicating that everyone of his family members were having their TD accounts shut down. Seeing that Weizhen Tang pays his mortgage to the TD bank through his TD account, he queried how he would continue. Strange, this would happen in the middle of his trial. But suffice it to say, it speaks to his impecunious nature. That is, that Weizhen Tang is barely hanging one financially. Indeed, Weizhen Tang’s defence of the fraud allegation, can be partly summed up in the following words – “If I’m a fraudster, then show me my money”
Now, of course to prove the fraud allegation, the crown need not show that Tang or any other accused for that matter has piles of money horded in some account. But again, strange, that a man accused of intending to defraud his investors would mortgage his home to provide a cheque for $236,000 to his investors when the Weizhen Tang ship was sinking. Strange too, that at tab 16 of the Exhibit 84, the analysis of his funds report, that upon receiving 1 million dollars from Lucy Lu that he would immediately pay 8 investors tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars.
TANG BIAS

If I could return to Tang’s bias argument concerning the OSC. You will recall that the expert, who is also an OSC investigator, accountant Michael de Verteuil, wrote at paragraph 6 of his narrative, and I quote, “Personal bank records were not sought or obtained because they were considered beyond the scope of this analysis and therefore funds transferred to the personal account of Tang or the joint account between Tang and Hong Xiao were not analyzed further”
However, when the accountant was questioned about this, he noted that he was mistaken and that Tang’s personal records were indeed sought and obtained, but that he simply did not think it worth while to  look into them.
Now,  Weizhen Tang asserts that his personal records, which I understand can be found in the Ex 81 disk, will show much monies coming out to pay for the New Year’s Shows, Rallies, Wealth Summit and fund raising event and donations etc.
Query, if  Weizhen Tang’s personal records are not important to this case and Weizhen Tang’s lack of personal gain were not important to this case, why  would the crown attorney spend a good part of his cross-examination late Thursday afternoon last, showing cheques made from Weizhen Tang’s business to him personally.
In other words, if the accountant is right in asserting Tang’s personal finances are not important, and if Tang is wrong in emphasizing his lack of personal gain in this case, then why would the crown spend so much time on these cheques to Tang.
Tang says to you ladies and gentlemen, that to be fair, it’s important for you to look into his personal finances, and invites you to examine exhibit 81 with the utmost scrutiny, in order to give you a balanced picture of what was really happening at the time.
PETITIONS

Weizhen Tang states have you ever heard a fraud case of where many of the investors are signing a petition to have the alleged fraudster trade again. Strange?
He states what kind of fraudster spends his own money to pay investors, instead of trying to horde as much money as he can when the ship is sinking. Tis a bit odd, isn’t it?
Tang notes, what kind of fraudster, would insist on fighting the OSC on behalf of himself and investors, and invite the authorities to actually investigate him. Isn’t this too counterintuitive?
He queries that if he is some type of manipulative genius purposely committing a fraud on his investors, why is that he ends up having to take cold showers at the YMCA,  collapsing his only son’s education fun, and have no money for his defence?
He mentions, why would he agree to face his investors at all these meetings, if he truly has something to hide. If you’ve got something to hide, wouldn’t you run.
STRAIGHT FROM WEIZHEN TANG

Mr. Tang testified that the numbers on the account balances were true promises or targets.  He notes that he was not deceiving anyone at any time.
He states that he paid all the investors at all material times except that after the financial tsunami and the OSC interruption he was prevented from being able to carry out his obligations.
He notes that his real time trading ability vindicates his ability and skill to pay investors. He notes that the five day live trading demonstration and its reflected results on the account balances shows you that what his saying is true. In fact, Tang testified that many times he would provide real time trading demonstration to his investors and that the results thereof were accurately reflected in the account balances.
He further notes that using money from new investors to pay old investors is an industry standard. That new investor money is important cash flow. He asserts it’s only a crime to actually take money from investors.
He further notes that the key is the intention to steal money or defraud investors. And of this he is not guilty.
He argues that contrary to the crown’s assertions that Tang’s investors never knew the risks, the investors G in fact, had a variety of ways to control the risk. They could check on his real time trading for example. And he further points out to the fact that there were 30 million dollars plus in actual redemptions at the time of the crisis.
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发表于 2016-4-14 15:40:40 | 只看该作者
要是在祖國犯案,早就斃了,那有嘴巴說甚麼聯個國?
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发表于 2016-4-14 15:42:25 | 只看该作者
唐大骗子,请不要侮辱大家的智商。
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发表于 2016-4-15 18:05:48 | 只看该作者
唐炜臻 发表于 2016-4-10 11:29
我根本没有吹,我是宣传和推广我的1%理论与实践,我做过演示和示范无数次,投资人亲眼看到这种能力才投资的 ...

那你就别在这里浪费时间了!拿出你的1%周回报神功,到股市上捞钱还账,哪怕先还十万给大家看看,也比在这里胡吹有说服力。
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发表于 2016-4-15 18:11:34 | 只看该作者
唐炜臻 发表于 2016-4-10 11:29
我根本没有吹,我是宣传和推广我的1%理论与实践,我做过演示和示范无数次,投资人亲眼看到这种能力才投资的 ...

你老帮壳破罐破摔,可以恬不知耻,你还得为你儿子想想吧?
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发表于 2016-4-15 20:56:50 | 只看该作者
Mr. Tang:  The hearing will be held in Courtroom #6 at Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street West.  That is the big court building at the north east corner of Queen and University (with the big iron fence around it).



Mr. Lung wrote to advise you that we expect that the parties bringing the motions will go first on Monday, and we would intend to leave you all day Tuesday to make your submissions, with the exception of one hour reserved for reply by the moving parties at the end of your submissions.  However, the order and timing are decisions to be made by the judge on Monday.  So, you may be called upon to make your submissions on Monday.  The judge will likely expect you to bring all your materials on Monday and be prepared to argue on Monday.



We did receive your e-mail, below, regarding filing of materials, in which you indicated you were unable to file certain materials.  Could you confirm that you did file the materials served on the parties on April 12?  I believe you were going to file those materials, and we all consented to accept e-mail service of the April 12 materials.



Yours truly,

Freya Kristjanson






       

Wardle Daley Bernstein Bieber LLP
       


       


       

Freya Kristjanson

PARTNER

t 416.351.2789
f 416.351.9196
[email protected]
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发表于 2016-4-15 21:14:33 | 只看该作者
Mr. Tang:  The hearing will be held in Courtroom #6 at Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street West.  That is the big court building at the north east corner of Queen and University (with the big iron fence around it).



Mr. Lung wrote to advise you that we expect that the parties bringing the motions will go first on Monday, and we would intend to leave you all day Tuesday to make your submissions, with the exception of one hour reserved for reply by the moving parties at the end of your submissions.  However, the order and timing are decisions to be made by the judge on Monday.  So, you may be called upon to make your submissions on Monday.  The judge will likely expect you to bring all your materials on Monday and be prepared to argue on Monday.



We did receive your e-mail, below, regarding filing of materials, in which you indicated you were unable to file certain materials.  Could you confirm that you did file the materials served on the parties on April 12?  I believe you were going to file those materials, and we all consented to accept e-mail service of the April 12 materials.



Yours truly,

Freya Kristjanson






       

Wardle Daley Bernstein Bieber LLP
       


       


       

Freya Kristjanson

PARTNER

t 416.351.2789
f 416.351.9196
[email protected]
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发表于 2016-4-19 18:59:18 | 只看该作者
dxk 发表于 2016-4-7 15:36
诈不诈骗另说。但唐是在无正式律师的情形下被判的,显失公平。没钱请律师,本国的司法公正与钱多寡相关。
...

你知道他拒绝了政府配的律师吗?在美加,只要是刑事案而被告没钱请律师的、政府均有指定律师为其辩护。

还有被告靠募捐请好律师、或high profile case有好律师无偿为你打官司,但是老唐跟这两种情况都不沾边。

拒绝律师是很愚蠢的行为,从这一点看老唐除了会骗、没别的本事。
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