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网友热议入籍准戴面纱:法官缺心眼吗?

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发表于 2015-10-7 13:51:43 | 只看该作者
冬临城堡 发表于 2015-10-7 13:37
你想支持穆斯林妇女穿罩袍也可以,有20%左右的加拿大人也不反对她们穿罩袍. 关键是你支持的理由太几把扯 ...

加拿大禁止的是头巾, 不是罩袍。。。再说新疆不是移民地方, 头巾是当地民俗服装的一种, 不禁止, 罩袍不是民族服装。
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发表于 2015-10-7 14:09:33 | 只看该作者
克 飞 发表于 2015-10-7 13:51
加拿大禁止的是头巾, 不是罩袍。。。再说新疆不是移民地方, 头巾是当地民俗服装的一种, 不禁止, 罩袍不是 ...

你又在胡说八道,加拿大从来没有禁止“头巾”,禁止的是“面纱”,你真是一天不胡说就浑身痒痒,又欠耳光了。
而且,民意调查,绝大多数人反对入籍戴“面纱”,你们这一小撮到底想干什么?真是无耻。
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发表于 2015-10-7 14:24:02 | 只看该作者
克 飞 发表于 2015-10-7 13:51
加拿大禁止的是头巾, 不是罩袍。。。再说新疆不是移民地方, 头巾是当地民俗服装的一种, 不禁止, 罩袍不是 ...

又开始满嘴扯蛋了。哈珀说的就是niqab,niqab就是罩袍!!
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harpers-proposed-niqab-ban-among-civil-servants-draws-condemnation/article26698311/

你还是别当缩头乌龟,回答我的问题。土共禁罩袍的理由是什么?
裤子也不是新疆的民族服饰,为什么不禁新疆女人穿裤子

开个传送门给你
http://bbs.51.ca/forum.php?mod=v ... d=694931&page=1
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发表于 2015-11-12 12:07:04 | 只看该作者
克 飞 发表于 2015-10-7 12:31
那你到是说说女人为什么非得穿裤子或裙子呢?

你想怎么穿都可以,不穿衣服也可以,那是你的自由,但别妨碍公众。
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发表于 2015-11-12 12:16:51 | 只看该作者
冬临城堡 发表于 2015-10-7 14:24
又开始满嘴扯蛋了。哈珀说的就是niqab,niqab就是罩袍!!
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politic ...

A niqab (/n??kɑ?b/; Arabic: ?????? niqāb?, "veil" also called a ruband) is a cloth that covers the face as a part of sartorial hijab. It is worn by some Muslim women in public areas and in front of non-mahram adult males。

这是wiki上的解释。它是覆盖脸部的罩袍。在加国,常见一些女性穿罩袍,但脸是露在外面的,除了一些伊教女人穿外,还有一些印度女性也可能这样穿,那是真正的传统,没有人会反对这种穿着。但要求盖住脸部的罩袍,只有伊教中的极端份子的传统中才有的。

看看下面一位伊教妇女写的文章:
As a Muslim, I Think Canada Should Ban the Niqab and Burka in Public

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/raheel-raza/niqab-burka-ban-canada_b_8189112.html
As a Muslim mother who never saw a niqab when I was growing up in Karachi, Pakistan, I am astonished to see Canada's judiciary caving in to Islamists who have nothing but contempt for Canada's values of gender equality.
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发表于 2015-11-12 12:17:42 | 只看该作者
看看下面一位伊教妇女写的文章:
As a Muslim, I Think Canada Should Ban the Niqab and Burka in Public

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/raheel-raza/niqab-burka-ban-canada_b_8189112.html
As a Muslim mother who never saw a niqab when I was growing up in Karachi, Pakistan, I am astonished to see Canada's judiciary caving in to Islamists who have nothing but contempt for Canada's values of gender equality.

I write this as a Muslim Canadian who does not have any specific political leanings.

But in the 25 years I have called Canada home, I have seen a steady rise of Muslim women being strangled in the pernicious black tent that is passed off to na?ve and guilt-ridden white, mainstream Canadians as an essential Islamic practice.

The niqab and burka have nothing to do with Islam.

They're the political flags of the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, the Taliban, al-Qaida and Saudi Arabia.

Now I learn I have not only to fight the medieval, theocratic adherents of my faith for a safe space for myself, I have to battle the Federal Court of Canada as well, which has come out on the side of these face masks.

The ruling concerns the case of Zunera Ishaq, a 29-year-old woman who emigrated to Canada from Pakistan in 2008.

After previously showing her face to an immigration official in 2013 when taking her citizenship test, she refused to take part in the citizenship ceremony because she would have to show her face while taking the oath of citizenship.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government rightly banned face masks at such ceremonies, but this was found to be unlawful by the Federal Court.

With all due respect, let me introduce our Canadian judges to their Pakistani colleagues in the jihadi badlands of Peshawar.

In November 2004, the Chief Justice of the Peshawar High Court (PHC), Tariq Pervaiz Khan, ordered female lawyers not to wear face veils in courtrooms, saying they couldn't be identified, nor assist the court properly while wearing veils.

He scolded the niqabi women saying,"You are professionals."

Covering the face is not a religious requirement for Muslim women.

The injunction in the Qur'an is for modesty (for men and women).

Some Muslim women interpret this as covering their head with a scarf or chador.

A scholar of Islamic history, Prof. Mohammad Qadeer of Queen's University, Kingston, wrote in the Globe and Mail in March 2006:

"The argument about concealing one's face as a religious obligation, is contentious and is not backed by the evidence."

He added, "in Western societies, the niqab also is a symbol of distrust for fellow citizens and a statement of self-segregation. The wearer of a face veil is conveying: 'I am violated if you look at me.'"

It is a barrier in civic discourse. It also subverts public trust."

The federal Liberals and NDP are treating Canada's niqabis as latter-day Rosa Parks, fighting for justice.

This is vote-bank politics that is, as my friend and secular activist Tarek Fatah calls it, "sharia Bolshevism."

There is just one way forward: The next government must legislate the complete ban on wearing face masks in public, not just to expose the hypocrisy of the Islamists but for the sake of our security as well.
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发表于 2015-11-12 12:28:49 | 只看该作者
在加国,常见一些女性穿罩袍,头部也是有围巾的,但脸是露在外面的,除了一些伊教女人穿外,还有一些印度女性也可能这样穿,那是真正的传统,没有人会反对这种穿着。

但要求盖住脸部的罩袍,只有伊教中的极端份子的传统中才有的,目的当然是他们认为女人不样穿就会诱惑男人。这种变态要求,和中国过去女小裹小脚是一样的,都是认为女人天生比男人差,不能和男人一样平等。

不过和中国过去的传统不同的是,伊教极端者认为女人的脸、身体和头发都可能诱惑男人犯罪,所以女人必须要遮住全身(若不是走路需要眼睛,恐怕眼也不能漏在外面了吧);

而过去中国的男人认为女人裹了小脚后,不仅不能到处乱跑,只能待在家里伺候男人,而且因小脚无法稳定支撑身体,走路时会不停地摆动腰身会给男人带来视觉上的所谓享受,才会在中国历史上出现以摧残女性为快感的变态文化。
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发表于 2015-11-12 12:33:36 | 只看该作者
所以,就算是根据伊教真正的传统,也没有要求女性只能穿着遮面只露眼的衣服,这只是一些伊教极端组织统治的地区才会出现的。
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发表于 2015-11-12 12:55:04 | 只看该作者
宗教信仰习俗值得尊重,但是宗教绝对不应该政治化。
中东国家多疯狂就不多说了,有兴趣的人可以看看东正教对俄罗斯的影响。
俄罗斯表面政教分离,但是他们没能很好的摆脱宗教的影响,也是一个相对好战的国家。
处理宗教和政治的关系,西方国家一直处理的比较好,没有让宗教政治化。
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发表于 2015-11-14 19:02:52 | 只看该作者
somanysb 发表于 2015-11-12 12:55
宗教信仰习俗值得尊重,但是宗教绝对不应该政治化。
中东国家多疯狂就不多说了,有兴趣的人可以看看东正教 ...

是的。信仰应该只是个体的选择,它决不能凌驾于政治或者说法律之上。
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发表于 2015-11-14 19:03:59 | 只看该作者
信仰应该只能是个体的选择,它决不能凌驾于政治或者说法律之上。

即使是基督教,在政教合一时,也是黑暗得可怕。任何民主自由的国家,都会将政治和宗教分离,让宗教只起安慰的作用。不管什么宗教,如果和政治捆绑在一起,对人民都是一种灾难。
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