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为救儿魂断古巴:刘越遗孀发表感谢信

 
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发表于 2014-5-4 23:02:35 | 只看该作者

为救儿魂断古巴:刘越遗孀发表感谢信

本帖最后由 仁者6699 于 2014-5-5 00:03 编辑

Evolution of the Liu Yue Donation Campaign/刘越捐款事件时间表(英文/中文版)
原始贴:
http://www.ottawachinesenet.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=660&extra=page%3D1http://www.ottawachinesenet.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=660&extra=page%3D1[/url]

Evolution of the Liu Yue Donation Campaign

Overview

a)The intended beneficiary’s financial situation does not match information provided by the fundraising committee in its public appeal for donations, i.e., the intended beneficiary’s financial situation does not justify the need for A public donation campaign. In order to achieve what the fundraisers INTENDED to achieve (i.e., scamming a large sum of money out of the public who don’t know the truth),  the fundraisers spoon-fed the public with fabricated false/misleading financial information.

b) Before the family appeared on national television and print media to appeal for donations, funds raised already far exceeded what was needed for repatriating the body and funeral-related costs, i.e., false/misleading financial information was INTENTIONALLY given to the general public nation-wide and world-wide.

c) After the campaign was announced by the fundraisers and CFC, paypal and bank accounts were still open and continued to receive donations.

d) While the donation drive was done nationally, fundraising-stop announcement was posted only in Chinese on CFC.

e) After a large sum of money was raised, the fundraisers arbitrarily changed the donation allocation and usage as purported in the call for donations, “ALL money raised would be strictly used to repatriate the body and covered funeral-related expenses”. The fundraisers announced a fund allocation and usage decision: 20% for body repatriation and funeral-related expenses, 20% to support Mr. Liu Yue's parents, 30% for the two children each to establish an educational fund.

f) After a large sum of donation was collected, the dead body was cremated in Cuba instead of being repatriated to Ottawa. The family did not even say farewell at the crematorium, the excuse given being that the family was informed by the Canadian Consulate that the family’s request for paying last respect at cremation was declined, without telling who declined that request, which was later proven to be a lie.

g) CFC biasedly deleted posts, such as those that questioned the fundraising initiative, the non-disclosure of truthful financial information. On the other hand, abusive posts that attacked questioners, often in languages full of vicious personal attacks and slander, are not deleted.

h) CFC never provided clarification or confirmation of information nor responded to questioning but repeatedly deleted posts, banned ID, IP and shut down discussions/debates against the will of the overwhelming majority of posters.

i) Some of the fundraising organizers are civil servants who may have used work time and office facility for private purposes, and likely in violation of public servants’ ethics and values.

Chronology

2014/March/19: Liu Yue drowned while playing in the ocean. His son was saved by Woody (Robert Wudkevich) from BC. Woody provided email address to widow.

2014/March/20: The widow and children returned to Ottawa.

2014/March/22: In the evening, fundraising solicitation letter was posted on CFC. It was deleted but reposted two hours later. The letter indicated that over $10,000 was needed to repatriate the body. The family wanted to bring home the deceased but had no money to do so. The letter deliberately omitted the fact that both the victim and his widow were civil servants with very good government-sponsored life insurances.

The letter purported that:
(a)   the Chinese people “aid those in crises but not in poverty”; the work-provided basic insurance amounted to “a drop in the bucket”;
(b)   the couple had no travel/mortgage/life insurance; and
(c)   used several other key words to exaggerate the financial difficulties they were under. Also known as the first proclamation of the victim: "Liu Yue (“刘悦" ), was later corrected to "Liu Yue" (“刘越”) and Pinyin "Yue Liu", which presumably referred to the same person.
2014/March/23: CFC published news: CFC had organized a professional team (including CFC, English media spokesman Andy, 3 employees of CRA with phone and names, and several Chinese associations, etc.), to launch and promote fund-raising events on global media. The "Fundraising committee" still did not mention the fact that the victim and his widow were public servants.

2014/March/24: 1pm: According to CFC updates, the fundraising committee had received 260 donations totalling $37,565. Highest single donation was $1,000. The total amount far exceeded what was purported to be needed to repatriate the deceased body and cover funeral expenses, which were actually added to the call for donations later.

2014/March/24 4pm:  Andy Wang provided the latest news: CTV and CBC were to interview Mr. Liu’s widow later in the day. Some online forum participants challenged the appropriateness of the TV interview. CFC organizers replied repeatedly that the TV stations would strengthen the reach of donation appeal in the mainstream society, completely revealing the mentality of the fundraisers who INTENDED to raised “donations without limits”.

2014/March/24: CTV Reporter Natalie Pierosara interviewed the widow Andy Wang. The Interview was aired on "6 o'clock news" and quoted Wang as saying that “$20,000 had been raised within 24 hours.” The family also told the reporter that they did not who Woody was and where he was from.

2014/March/24: First direct online exposure: The victim and his widow were civil servants with good benefits. The poster hinted at good family financial conditions and that the fundraiser was suspected to be a scam. The post was followed by posts of the widow’ exact place of work, work phone and email address (as these were public information).  

2014/March/25 11pm: Due to suspected scam, the forum was boiling with voices of doubt. CFC for the first time shut down discussions/debates on the topic.  

2014/March/25 11pm: Funds raised reached about $80,000. CFC announcement: no-longer active fund-raising activities, no more active pursuit of media, but kept donations account and donations page open; “if you have friends who want to help Liu Yue’s family, they can continue to donate through these channels.”

2014/March/26:  CFC released the now-infamous 20/20/ 30/30 formula for donation allocation and usage. The statement caused a greater wave of criticism.

2014/March/27: CFC announced the suspension of all contributions and donations page account, but the Paypal account was kept open to accept new donations.

The widow released a thank-you letter which changed the use of proceeds (to include funds as consolation to Liu Yue’s parents in in Beijing and two children’s educational funds). The statement also indicated that “those who donated but did not intend to donate” could withdraw their donation in 7 days. The note was posted in Chinese and on CFC only.

2014/March/28: Donors posted a refund request and sought explanation/clarification because they did not agree with how the family had changed their plans on the use of the funds raised. Heated discussions/debates followed. Many postings were deleted by CFC. A second round of shut-down of discussions by CFC.  

2014/March/30: Fanyan Bu issued an open letter: “after several days of adjustment, I now feel my physical condition would allow me to travel to Cuba to bring home Liu Yue’s ashes. I thank the two volunteers who will be travelling with me to Cuba to bring home Liu Yue’s ashes. I also thank Andy for liaising with the Canadian consulate to urge the Cuba funeral agency to cremate the body expediently and to strive for an opportunity for us to travel to Cuba to bring home the ashes.” The letter indicated that the Canadian Consulate had informed the family that their request to pay last respect to the victim on site of cremation was rejected.

2014/March/31: Heated discussions on CFC: the questioning theme was around a basic question, “since this much funds have been raised, why not bring the body home? CFC decided to completely shut down discussions for the third time.  

2014/April/3: Ottawa community s headlined Liu Yue’s death. Andy Wang was quoted as saying $30,000 was needed to bring the body home and only $20,000 was raised.   Wang was also quoted as saying that Woody was unidentified and that the family was still looking for him.

2014/April/7: Liu Yue Funeral Organizing Committee announced: Liu Yue’s widow Fanyan Bu, accompanied by two volunteers, was to travel to Havana, Cuba on April 8 to bring Liu Yue’s ashes home for the funeral. First and only confirmation that Liu Yue worked at CRA.

2014/April/12: Mr. Liu Yue’s memorial service.

2014/April/13: After the memorial service, discussions resumed on CFC, but people spoke cautiously, being afraid that postings would be deleted and ID’s banned.

2014/April/21: the widow released a letter thank-you letter, a donation management team was announced to have been established which issued a draft donation management processing.

2014/April/22: CFC announced the donation totalling "$ 104,050" was handed to the “donation management team”. The Liu Yue fundraising committee was announced to be dissolved. Any discussions related to the donation campaign were banned indefinitely.

刘越捐款事件时间表
概要
a)募捐倡议书与家庭实际经济状况不符,向公众提示了误导性的不真实信息。
b)在家属上全国电视台和全国报刊媒体募捐之前,募集到的善款已经远远超过运回尸体和办理丧葬的费用;全国媒体用误导性的信息误导不明真相的全国全世界广大民众。
c)宣布停止募捐后,账户依然开着,继续接收捐款。
d)停止募捐的公告仅仅用中文贴于CFC。
e)善款大量募集到后,中途任意改变善款用途,建议20%用于丧葬费用,20%用于支持刘越先生的父母,30%用于为两个孩子各建立一个教育基金。  
f)尸体在古巴火化而不是运会渥太华,家属没有到火化场向遗体告别,托词是被加拿大领事馆告知家属到火化场的要求被拒绝。
g)CFC有选择性地删除帖子,比如募捐倡议和质疑帖子,但是充满恶毒语言进行诬蔑谩骂人身攻击的帖子没有被删除。
h)CFC对质疑声音不是做正面证实或澄清,而是屡次删帖炸楼锁版封禁ID、IP禁止讨论。
i)募捐组织者有一部分是公务员,有公器私用、违反公务员道德规范之嫌疑。

详细时间表
2014/March/19 下午,刘越遇难。
2014/March/20 卜凡雁及孩子回到渥太华。
2014/March/22 晚上,募捐文告发布到CFC。曾经短暂被CFC删除,2小时后重新登出。募捐文告表明遗体转运费是1万多加元,家属想运遗体但是没钱的状况。文告刻意回避 了事主是双公务员家庭,有良好的政府生命保险的事实;文告中着重提到:“救急不救穷”“杯水车薪”“没有旅游保险”“只有单位基本的生命保险”等几个关键 词。另外首份文告遇难者名为:“刘悦”,后期改为“刘越”及拼音“Yue Liu”,该是一个人。
2014/March/23 CFC发布消息:由CFC组织专业团队(专业团对指包括CFC、英文媒体发言人Andy、3名加拿大联邦税局的联系人电话和姓名、几份华人的社团等),全面推动募捐事件向全球媒体。“募捐委员会”依然未表明遇难着的公务员的身份。
2014/March/24 1pm 筹款委员已收到260笔总额达到$37,565 的捐款。单笔最高捐款额达到$1,000, 已经远超运回尸体的需要;即使是后来加上的丧葬费用, 也远远超过了。
2014/March/24 4pm Andy Wang提供的最新消息:CTV和CBC当天晚些时候将对刘越先生的遗孀卜凡雁进行专访。有网友指出这样上电视台不合适,CFC组织者反复回帖说上电视台有助于扩大捐款范围进如主流社会。募捐者想“募捐金额无上限”的心态完全表露。
2014/March/24 CTV记者 NataliePierosara 对刘越的遗孀卜凡雁进行了现场采访,并在《晚间6点新闻》里播出。
2014/March/24 网上第一次直接披露:遇难者夫妻皆为政府公务员,福利很好,暗示募捐者家庭环境良好,有骗捐的嫌疑。网上连接被帖出:卜凡雁的联邦政府雇员的工作部门、电话等网络连接(联邦政府的雇员,所有人办公电话是公开的)。
2014/March/25 11pm  因有骗捐嫌疑,质疑声鼎沸,CFC第一次封闭论坛主题禁止讨论。
2014/March/25 11pm  募捐金额在8万左右。CFC发布公告:不再进行主动募捐活动,不再进行主动媒体宣传,但是保留捐款账号和捐款页面,如果有朋友在生活上想继续支持刘越的家属,仍然可以通过这些途径捐款。
2014/March/26 CFC的Riven发布20%、20%、30%、30%的善款使用方向的声明。该声明引起更大的质疑声。
2014/March/27 CFC的Riven宣布暂停所有捐款账号和捐款页面、Paypal 停止接受新的捐款。
2014/March/27 卜凡燕发布感谢信改变款项用途(安慰刘越在北京的父母及给两名小孩的教育基金),声明如果捐款者如不认同可以退款的声明,退款以7日内提出为限。原话:“出于为了刘越遗体或骨灰运输丧事的办理,以及为帮助我们全家面对今后生活挑战,发起了募捐活动。 ”
2014/March/28 有捐款者发帖要求退款并阐明理由(不同意家属改变捐款用途),引起热烈讨论,数小时后帖子被CFC删除,CFC第二次关闭论坛。
2014/March/30 卜凡燕发布公开信:“如今在调整数日之后,我觉得身体条件允许我亲自前往古巴取回刘越骨灰。我感谢自告奋勇愿意陪同我到古巴迎取刘越骨灰的两位志愿者,也感谢Andy帮忙联系加拿大领事馆、敦促古巴的丧葬代理公司尽快进行遗体火化,并为我们争取可以去古巴迎接骨灰的机会”。被加拿大驻古巴领事馆告知:家属到火化现场与遗体告别的要求被拒绝。
2014/March/31 热烈讨论:钱够了,未啥遗体不运了?CFC第三次关闭论坛。
2014/April/08 刘越治丧委员会发布:刘越遗孀卜凡雁女士将在两位志愿者的陪同下,于四月八日飞往古巴首都哈瓦那将刘越先生的骨灰亲自迎回加拿大安葬。
2014/April/12 刘越先生追思会。
2014/April/13 追思会后,CFC上逐步恢复讨论,但大家发言谨慎,怕被删贴。
2014/April/21 卜凡雁发布感谢信,刘越善款处理小组成立,公布善款处理草案(第二稿)。
2014/April/22 CFC宣布募捐收入“$104050”、 善款交由善款处理小组处理,刘越募捐委员会解散,并发通知禁止一切关于捐款的讨论,直到善款处理完毕。
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这是有预谋,有组织的骗捐。
组织者分工明确各司其职,显然是个老练的诈骗组织。
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Liu Yue and Bu Fanyan 2013 income approx. $200,000???!!!!!!!!!!! No money for funeral???? What kind of the BU's Family? Now they tried to use the "Chinese way" to make this done, This is Canada! Wake up!
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为救儿魂断古巴:刘越遗孀发表感谢信

http://bbs.comefromchina.com/threads/1357404/page-16http://bbs.comefromchina.com/threads/1357404/page-16[/url]
1.我也真心看不懂这英文;
2.真心不懂来了这么多年的人,还要趟这趟浑水,冒毁一世清誉的风险,
3.渥太华不会只有这家有悲剧发生,为什么她家能享受如此高规格的帮助和安慰?为什么”领导们“这么愿意帮TA?
是因为他们是”人上人“?在中国是跟清华搭边的,在这里,是和联邦政府搭边的。其实这恰恰说明他们一直都享受着2个国家最好的资源,为什么没想过怎么回报社会呢?正如有人感叹:清华校友会应该给别人捐钱,而不是找别人捐钱。
真心真心搞不懂啊
1.        清华校训已被改为 “厚德载TA” 了。

What's "TA " mean?
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Liu Yue and Bu Fanyan 2013 income approx. $200,000???!!!!!!!!!!! No money for funeral???? What kind of the BU's Family? Now they tried to use the "Chinese way" to make this done, This is Canada! Wake up!
路见不ping 发表于 2014-5-5 10:32


我早说过这家车是宝马+奥迪,家庭收入绝对在15万以上。
这家的收入在移民中绝对是算富裕了,就这么富裕的收入,死鬼婆娘竟然说缺钱运尸体,诈到钱以后就不运尸体了。他妈的天打雷劈死她。
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http://bbs.comefromchina.com/threads/1357404/page-16http://bbs.comefromchina.com/threads/1357404/page-16[/url]
1.我也真心看不懂这英文;
2.真心不懂来了这么多年的人,还要趟这趟浑水,冒毁一世清誉的风险,
3.渥太华不会只有这家有悲剧发生,为什么她家能享受如此高规格的帮助和安慰?为什么”领导们“这么愿意帮TA?
是因为他们是”人上人“?在中国是跟清华搭边的,在这里,是和联邦政府搭边的。其实这恰恰说明他们一直都享受着2个国家最好的资源,为什么没想过怎么回报社会呢?正如有人感叹:清华校友会应该给别人捐钱,而不是找别人捐钱。
真心真心搞不懂啊
1.        清华校训已被改为 “厚德载TA” 了。

What's "TA " mean?
路见不ping 发表于 2014-5-5 10:41


说不定是狗特务。
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为救儿魂断古巴:刘越遗孀发表感谢信

PEOPLE REPORT TO POLICE IN MAY 02, THEN THEY RELEASE A REFUND/RETURN LETTER IN MAY 05???

经过薛金生先生和志愿者的准备和邮件系统测试,本邮件在今天开始发给每位捐款人。

如果您未能收到邮件, 可以直接联系 [email protected],志愿者会及时处理您的捐款。

再次感谢每位关心支持及帮助刘越家属的朋友们。



邮件样本
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May 5, 2014


Name of the donor

Address:


Ref: The Usage of the Received Donations


Dear ……

Please accept our sincere thanks for your kindness and generosity to the Liu’s family. Without your financial help, Madam Fanyan Bu and the two lovely kids could not even survive from this most difficult period in their life time.

The purpose of this letter is to inform you that we have received $104,050.00 in donations. This amount has far exceeded over our expectations. In order for us to make the best possible use of the funds not only to help the Liu’s and at the same time to meet the wishes of the donors, we are sending you a letter (or an email) on behalf of Fanyan Bu, the Widow of the late Yue Liu, for your opinion about how you would like your donation to be used. Your wish will be strictly followed under the named options below.

Please reply with ONLY one of the following options:

A. I would like to transfer my donation in full to a third-party charity:

1. CHEO Foundation:http://www.cheofoundation.com/http://www.cheofoundation.com/[/url]
2. Lifesaving Society:http://www.lifesavingsociety.com/http://www.lifesavingsociety.com/[/url]

(Note: Please note your donation will be transferred by an In Trust account for CHEO or Lifesaving Society on behalf of the widow, Fanyan Bu. This account is opened and used for this specific transaction only and nothing else.


Please also note: You will not receive any Tax Receipt either from CHEO or Lifesaving Society. If you do want a Charity donation receipt, please choose Option B below and donate on your own.)


B. I do not want to donate my fund to the Liu’s and I want the fund back.

C. I would like to donate my fund to Liu’s family for them to spend as they wish.

Our apology to those anonymous donors who donate by cash or by check with no name and address on the check. Due to the reason that we do not have your contact number, we will not be able to reach you. If you are one of these donors, please get in touch with us with your proof of donation not later than June 8, 2014. A refund check will be mailed to you accordingly. Your quick responses will be greatly appreciated.

Please feel free to make your own final decision and send your choice by email, fax, or perosn at your earliest convenience. Thank you again on behalf of the Liu’s for your kind support to the Liu’s during their extremely tough time period.

1. Method of Refund:

a. Any donation by PayPal or e-transfer will be refunded in the same manner;

b. For donations by check, we will void the check and email you a scanned version of it, but we will not be returning the original check;

c. For cash donations, we will refund by cash, unless you prefer another refund method that is more convenient for you.

2. Methods of contacts:

· By email: [email protected];

· By fax: 613-224-8068

· By person: 31C-174 Colonnade South, Nepean, Ontario, K2E 7J5

Please note if we do not hear from you by June 8, 2014, we will return your donation.

Again, we would like to take this opportunity to thank all the volunteers, donors, and kindhearted neighbors, friends, and members of the community who have shared their well wishes and kind gestures to Madam Fanyan Bu and the Liu’s family in time of need. Your continued assistance, support, and understanding are much appreciated!



Regards,


Chinese Community Association of Ottawa
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发表于 2014-5-6 07:38:38 | 只看该作者
Without your financial help, Madam Fanyan Bu and the two lovely kids could not even survive from this most difficult period in their life time.

这意思是说,如果没有这些捐款的话,这家人就活不下去了。
一帮及其无耻的人渣。
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Without your financial help, Madam Fanyan Bu and the two lovely kids could not even survive from this most difficult period in their life time.

这意思是说,如果没有这些捐款的话,这家人就活不下去了。
一帮及其无耻的人渣。
哆伦哆 发表于 2014-5-6 08:38



就算是骗钱,
含蓄一点也不会死:laugh:
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就算是骗钱,
含蓄一点也不会死
5 past 6 发表于 2014-5-6 08:45


渥太华这帮人组织骗钱的能力,事后耍赖删贴,混淆视听的能力,这是得到党妈的真传了。
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发表于 2014-5-6 08:21:55 | 只看该作者
渥太华这帮人组织骗钱的能力,事后耍赖删贴,混淆视听的能力,这是得到党妈的真传了。
哆伦哆 发表于 2014-5-6 09:08



还MADAM,还LOVELY,
本人大牙都笑得露出来了,
渥太华国移的英文能力就是这样搭?
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发表于 2014-5-6 08:36:36 | 只看该作者
还MADAM,还LOVELY,
本人大牙都笑得露出来了,
渥太华国移的英文能力就是这样搭?
5 past 6 发表于 2014-5-6 09:21


这一家子都长的歪瓜劣枣的,你硬要把ugly当成lovely那有什么办法。
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发表于 2014-5-6 09:29:53 | 只看该作者
我越来越不懂中国人,他们行为怪异,违反人性。

正常人做错事,上等人道歉再改错,中等人跑了算(逃避最正常,你找不到我呗,或者你忘了我),只有下等人自动跑出来吵吵嚷嚷,奇怪。

就好像大陆人在香港拉屎,上等人会连忙对不起再清理好,中等人立马离开,你去哪里找我,下等人站在那里叫嚷。

这个女人收了10万块,上等人把钱还给捐款人或全部捐出去,中等人不做声,你找不到我,下个月你完全忘记了。只有下等人跑出来让人多插一次。
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发表于 2014-5-6 09:39:40 | 只看该作者
我越来越不懂中国人,他们行为怪异,违反人性。

正常人做错事,上等人道歉再改错,中等人跑了算(逃避最正常,你找不到我呗,或者你忘了我),只有下等人自动跑出来吵吵嚷嚷,奇怪。

就好像大陆人在香港拉屎,上等人会连忙对不起再清理好,中等人立马离开,你去哪里找我,下等人站在那里叫嚷。

这个女人收了10万块,上等人把钱还给捐款人或全部捐出去,中等人不做声,你找不到我,下个月你完全忘记了。只有下等人跑出来让人多插一次。
5号 发表于 2014-5-6 10:29


你是CHINESE,
不是中国人。
只有SB中国人把CHINESE和中国人划等号。
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发表于 2014-5-6 10:14:08 | 只看该作者
我越来越不懂中国人,他们行为怪异,违反人性。

正常人做错事,上等人道歉再改错,中等人跑了算(逃避最正常,你找不到我呗,或者你忘了我),只有下等人自动跑出来吵吵嚷嚷,奇怪。

就好像大陆人在香港拉屎,上等人会连忙对不起再清理好,中等人立马离开,你去哪里找我,下等人站在那里叫嚷。

这个女人收了10万块,上等人把钱还给捐款人或全部捐出去,中等人不做声,你找不到我,下个月你完全忘记了。只有下等人跑出来让人多插一次。
5号 发表于 2014-5-6 10:29


现在被人兜底翻了,高尚地段大house,宝马奥迪车,家庭收入20万。还说没有大家的捐款他们就活不下去了,不作就不会死。它要作就让它死。
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