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省民不愿一党独大 自由党组成少数政府

 
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发表于 2011-10-7 17:54:09 | 只看该作者
接着忽悠!
你把链接都贴在着,让大家都看看。我也长长见识
kanada 发表于 2011-10-7 08:53 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    OK,你什么都不信,我就给你讲一下。

今年安省每个政党的竞选上限大概是8百万。
仅"工作家庭联盟 Working Families Coalition"(几个大工会组织的一个竞选联盟)就花了六百万,安省基督教教师公会花了三百万。其它工全如安省公务员公会、CAW等花的也只多不少。简单加减法会吧?

这个事儿是我上班路上广播(1010)里说的。你非要链接长长见识,我也只得下班后再给你找
咱中国人被共产党整的不相信任何东东

http://www.ogca.ca/working-famil ... tions-finances-act/

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2011/04/ ... families-coalition/

http://crux-of-the-matter.com/20 ... save-mcguinty-govt/

http://www.bobrunciman.com/index ... =89&ShowText=No
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发表于 2011-10-7 18:21:29 | 只看该作者
Just have one question for you.   You want have a fair job then pay the tax or you want lose your job then pay nothing.  Be a little bit smarter.  Don't just focus on your such small amount of money all the time.  HST make ontario more competitive.   It is good thing for all people.
zhen2005 发表于 2011-10-7 18:30 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



增加普通人的电,煤气,汽油负担咋就增加了企业竞争力了?这些基本材料价格上去后,企业负担是轻还是重了?HST原意是把企业负担的PST放到最后销售环节,并不是加税,但LIB搞起来是原来不收PST的现在收了。如果引入HST前后税负不变,有人会说啥吗?食品,儿童用品就可以没有。 还有就是可以把两套班子合成一个,减少税务人员;可事实是,一边给人发高额遣散费,一边改个名字就雇回来了。HST增加普通人的负担是不用说的,连LIB自己都要给每家发支票,不过就一年。
而且中产交的税是一点吗?一半的收入都交给各种税了。加拿大人平均的税务自由日是每年六月中。中产就更靠后了。
交完税后服务好了吗?我只见到工会员工的工资年年涨,钱都到那去了。
多收税,债务还搞到两千多亿,比美国大州加州都多。多收税,多雇政府员工,就业增加好啊。最好和希腊一样70%的人都直接间接给政府干,直到庞氏骗局破灭。
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发表于 2011-10-7 19:19:48 | 只看该作者
呵呵,下次俺们家就有两票了!
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发表于 2011-10-7 20:42:08 | 只看该作者
题目不对,其实,是-------树林放屁 -- 凑巧了!
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发表于 2011-10-7 20:56:00 | 只看该作者
呵呵,下次俺们家就有两票了!
狗欢欢 发表于 2011-10-7 20:19


一窝生几只???
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发表于 2011-10-7 21:41:41 | 只看该作者
OK,你什么都不信,我就给你讲一下。

今年安省每个政党的竞选上限大概是8百万。
仅"工作家庭联盟 Working Families Coalition"(几个大工会组织的一个竞选联盟)就花了六百万,安省基督教教师公会花了三百万。其它工全如安省公务员公会、CAW等花的也只多不少。简单加减法会吧?

这个事儿是我上班路上广播(1010)里说的。你非要链接长长见识,我也只得下班后再给你找 。
咱中国人被共产党整的不相信任何东东
loneshepherd 发表于 2011-10-7 18:54


就这也好意思往上贴,第一句话就露馅了:
TORONTO – Ontario’s Progressive Conservatives say ...
拿这东西来忽悠人,不觉得脸红!
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发表于 2011-10-7 21:59:18 | 只看该作者

省民不愿一党独大 自由党组成少数政府

本帖最后由 loneshepherd 于 2011-10-7 23:03 编辑
就这也好意思往上贴,第一句话就露馅了:
TORONTO – Ontario’s Progressive Conservatives say ...
拿这东西来忽悠人,不觉得脸红!
kanada 发表于 2011-10-7 22:41 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    Again 咱中国人被共产党整的不相信任何东东 ,那我把你抱怨的那篇文章贴上:


Ontario Liberals and Tories battle in court over Working Families Coalition         
Posted on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, 6:00 pm by Keith Leslie
TORONTO – Ontario’s Progressive Conservatives say they won’t abandon their fight to prove a link between the Liberal government and the Working Families Coalition, despite another legal setback.

Working Families is behind TV ads portraying PC Leader Tim Hudak as a Bay Street lackey, and sponsored a “Not This Time Ernie” campaign against former PC Premier Ernie Eves in 2003.

The Tories have long complained the coalition is a front for the Liberals, and asked Elections Ontario to investigate the relationship in 2007.

A report prepared for the provincial agency found no evidence the Liberals “control” Working Families, but also detailed meetings between senior Liberals and the coalition.

The Conservatives appealed the Elections Ontario finding to Divisional Court, which this week dismissed the case because Working Families is only a registered entity during an election period.

The court told the Tories they could try criminal court, or file an urgent appeal once the coalition registers for the Oct. 6 election. The Conservatives will likely file the appeal.

The Liberals say Hudak wasted taxpayer money trying to prove a link with Working Families that doesn’t exist.

“His whining, complaining and posing is bad enough when it’s just more hot air,” Liberal Party vice-president Christine McMillan said in an email. “But in this instance he has cost taxpayers millions of dollars for what is really on his party an unsubstantiated PR dodge.”

McMillan said it was Elections Ontario that incurred the millions in costs, but the agency said Friday its legal and other costs since 2007 to investigate the PC allegations and for the judicial review total $610,000.

So-called third parties like Working Families have no limits on the amount they can spend supporting or attacking a political candidate or party during an election, while the parties themselves are limited to total campaign spending of approximately $8 million this year.

The Working Families Coalition is made up of various powerful unions who support the Liberals, including the Ontario English Catholic Teachers’ Association, the Canadian Auto Workers, the Ontario Nurses’ Association, the Service Employees International Union and the Building Trades Council of Ontario.

In addition to actively campaigning against Eves and Hudak, the organization also worked against PC leader John Tory in the 2007 election.

The English Catholic Teachers also decided to take an extra $60 from each of its members this year to create a $3-million war chest for its own pro-Liberal campaign in addition to the union’s financial support of the Working Families Coalition.

According to the Elections Ontario report, which was prepared by the law firm Torys LLP, Premier Dalton McGuinty’s former chief of staff Don Guy — the Liberal campaign director in 2003, 2007 and 2011 — was among the senior party members to meet with Working Families.

“While we have concluded that the WFC was ‘independent’ of the OLP within the parameters of control and agency … the WFC’s use of consultants with known Liberal connections who were simultaneously providing services both to the WFC and the OLP and, where the very person running the OLP campaign, Don Guy, is president of the polling research firm hired by the WFC, certainly constitutes, in our view, grounds for concern which warranted this investigation.”

Documents obtained by The Canadian Press show emails between coalition members about planned commercials, which were copied to Guy.

The Liberals maintain they have nothing to do with the coalition.
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发表于 2011-10-7 22:45:19 | 只看该作者
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    我说老大,保守党能和NDP联盟吗,根本就是水火不相容的理念和阶级。。自由党和NDP合作还是靠谱的。。 看来你老兄还没有把加拿大几个大政党代表的阶级弄清楚。。
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发表于 2011-10-7 22:45:53 | 只看该作者
回复 49# 普通老百姓


    我说老大,保守党能和NDP联盟吗,根本就是水火不相容的理念和阶级。。自由党和NDP合作还是靠谱的。。 看来你老兄还没有把加拿大几个大政党代表的阶级弄清楚。。:eyebrows:
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发表于 2011-10-7 23:28:25 | 只看该作者
工会在这次选举中投入的钱比任何党派允许的经费上限还多。

工会的这些钱怎么花的? 全部用来攻击保守党。

工会帮了自由党大忙,自由党得还债。

安省人别气馁,这场与工会的辩论还在继续。最后结果一定是安省人民获胜。
loneshepherd 发表于 2011-10-7 08:08


安省人民也被代表了。
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发表于 2011-10-7 23:33:08 | 只看该作者
住在于人村和士嘉堡的移民还真不糊涂,感谢那两个选区来自中国的移民们。你们比其他选区的中国移民强多了,你们比那些似懂非懂,自以为懂政治的移民强多了!

多伦多华人社区的怪现象之一:除IT人士外,各行各业的专业人士好像都不怎么专业,但自以为或者冒充很专业!
领袖风采 发表于 2011-10-7 09:31


还有一部分自封的保守党智囊。
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发表于 2011-10-8 11:54:43 | 只看该作者
不愧新移,阿Q精神应该甩掉了!还没有适应这里,自愧没有找到心满意足的工作吗?不能对省选期望值太高,其实省选对个人而言,不会改变太多!期望太高---------失落感也大;对政治可以追随,但是不可以痴迷,太专一!否则,心里扭曲,酸溜溜的!--------别窝囊坏了身体。
pjwyx 发表于 2011-10-7 09:07 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


赫赫。咱的收入至少可以排进前20%,要不让也不用担心多交税了。
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发表于 2011-10-8 13:10:41 | 只看该作者
Again 咱中国人被共产党整的不相信任何东东 ,那我把你抱怨的那篇文章贴上:


Ontario Liberals and Tories battle in court over Working Families Coalition         
Posted on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, 6:00 pm by Keith Leslie
TORONTO – Ontario’s Progressive Conservatives say they won’t abandon their fight to prove a link between the Liberal government and the Working Families Coalition, despite another legal setback.

Working Families is behind TV ads portraying PC Leader Tim Hudak as a Bay Street lackey, and sponsored a “Not This Time Ernie” campaign against former PC Premier Ernie Eves in 2003.

The Tories have long complained the coalition is a front for the Liberals, and asked Elections Ontario to investigate the relationship in 2007.

A report prepared for the provincial agency found no evidence the Liberals “control” Working Families, but also detailed meetings between senior Liberals and the coalition.

The Conservatives appealed the Elections Ontario finding to Divisional Court, which this week dismissed the case because Working Families is only a registered entity during an election period.

The court told the Tories they could try criminal court, or file an urgent appeal once the coalition registers for the Oct. 6 election. The Conservatives will likely file the appeal.

The Liberals say Hudak wasted taxpayer money trying to prove a link with Working Families that doesn’t exist.

“His whining, complaining and posing is bad enough when it’s just more hot air,” Liberal Party vice-president Christine McMillan said in an email. “But in this instance he has cost taxpayers millions of dollars for what is really on his party an unsubstantiated PR dodge.”

McMillan said it was Elections Ontario that incurred the millions in costs, but the agency said Friday its legal and other costs since 2007 to investigate the PC allegations and for the judicial review total $610,000.

So-called third parties like Working Families have no limits on the amount they can spend supporting or attacking a political candidate or party during an election, while the parties themselves are limited to total campaign spending of approximately $8 million this year.

The Working Families Coalition is made up of various powerful unions who support the Liberals, including the Ontario English Catholic Teachers’ Association, the Canadian Auto Workers, the Ontario Nurses’ Association, the Service Employees International Union and the Building Trades Council of Ontario.

In addition to actively campaigning against Eves and Hudak, the organization also worked against PC leader John Tory in the 2007 election.

The English Catholic Teachers also decided to take an extra $60 from each of its members this year to create a $3-million war chest for its own pro-Liberal campaign in addition to the union’s financial support of the Working Families Coalition.

According to the Elections Ontario report, which was prepared by the law firm Torys LLP, Premier Dalton McGuinty’s former chief of staff Don Guy — the Liberal campaign director in 2003, 2007 and 2011 — was among the senior party members to meet with Working Families.

“While we have concluded that the WFC was ‘independent’ of the OLP within the parameters of control and agency … the WFC’s use of consultants with known Liberal connections who were simultaneously providing services both to the WFC and the OLP and, where the very person running the OLP campaign, Don Guy, is president of the polling research firm hired by the WFC, certainly constitutes, in our view, grounds for concern which warranted this investigation.”

Documents obtained by The Canadian Press show emails between coalition members about planned commercials, which were copied to Guy.

The Liberals maintain they have nothing to do with the coalition.
loneshepherd 发表于 2011-10-7 22:59


如果保守党证据确凿,为什么法院不受理?
请不要把这种法官都弄不灵清的东西作拿出来忽悠人。
你不是说工会的花销都有明细,都有公布吗?请帖出来。
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发表于 2011-10-9 10:39:37 | 只看该作者
如果保守党证据确凿,为什么法院不受理?
请不要把这种法官都弄不灵清的东西作拿出来忽悠人。
你不是说工会的花销都有明细,都有公布吗?请帖出来。
kanada 发表于 2011-10-8 14:10 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    你看懂了你让我贴的那几篇文章了吧(吗?)! 我说的是工会们出钱登广告反PC,没说自由党和工会们暗仓交易(这东西在海洋法系中是极难证明的),所以法院受不受理PC的诉讼和我的论证无关。你不能说你没见过那些铺天盖地的反PC的广告吧?

我说公会的开支是公开的,但没说是 free 的。任何人包括你都可以有偿通过 public request 向公会们要求其开支明细。我没钱也没精力干这件事,所以依赖公布出来的数据。如果这些数据太离谱的话,公会们会沉默吗? 如果你有钱又有精力干这件事的话,不仿自己跟公会们一个个核实,然后告诉我哪里错了。

你得区分不相信一件事和不愿相信一件事。我看除非你有新东西,我们不必纠缠了。
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发表于 2011-10-9 19:02:24 | 只看该作者

省民不愿一党独大 自由党组成少数政府

你看懂了你让我贴的那几篇文章了吧(吗?)! 我说的是工会们出钱登广告反PC,没说自由党和工会们暗仓交易(这东西在海洋法系中是极难证明的),所以法院受不受理PC的诉讼和我的论证无关。你不能说你没见过那些铺天盖地的反PC的广告吧?

我说公会的开支是公开的,但没说是 free 的。任何人包括你都可以有偿通过 public request 向公会们要求其开支明细。我没钱也没精力干这件事,所以依赖公布出来的数据。如果这些数据太离谱的话,公会们会沉默吗? 如果你有钱又有精力干这件事的话,不仿自己跟公会们一个个核实,然后告诉我哪里错了。

你得区分不相信一件事和不愿相信一件事。我看除非你有新东西,我们不必纠缠了。
loneshepherd 发表于 2011-10-9 11:39

你自己都不愿花钱、花精力核实的东西,能指望别人相信是事实吗?
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