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我们关心的是老唐这样使华社蒙羞的家伙能不能受到应得惩罚

 
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发表于 2010-11-17 10:22:22 | 只看该作者
老唐估计今天不会来这里了。这样也好,他在的话大家容易情绪激动。
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发表于 2010-11-17 11:01:23 | 只看该作者
唐先生真不容易。被人冤枉,面对牢狱之灾,能懂他的人实在太少了。
见了唐先生后,我开始感叹。能成就大事的人,获得财富,真是应该的。Donald Trump,史玉柱当年都经过类似的事,现在都是亿万富翁。谁还记得他们当年的痛苦呢?除了他们自己。所以Michael Jordan说,“My pain is my motivation.”
成功的人都要在人群的流言蜚语中站起来。而大多数人都只是流言蜚语中的一部分。
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发表于 2010-11-17 11:10:58 | 只看该作者
谢谢TOM!你在这里是唯一没指责我的人。
在无忧网论坛上没冤枉我的人屈指可数。
torontohankou 发表于 2010-11-17 10:12 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

嘻嘻,应该加上偶一个,对吧?
偶从来没有冤枉你
即便有一点点貌似冤枉,也不过是以子之矛攻子之盾而已
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发表于 2010-11-17 11:15:07 | 只看该作者
嗯,所以大家攻击老唐,也是要磨炼他呀。
老唐以后东山再起,别忘了大家一番苦心啊。
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发表于 2010-11-17 12:02:52 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 torontohankou 于 2010-11-17 12:05 编辑

走马观花,你是来胡闹找乐的。生活中肯定是个调皮的家伙。
你也勉强算一个。不过你攻击过我,而且是钻牛角尖地攻击。
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发表于 2010-11-17 12:05:00 | 只看该作者
天将降大任于斯人也,必先苦其心志,......
只是作为旁观者,我看见唐先生,感觉也太苦了。
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发表于 2010-11-17 12:11:11 | 只看该作者
嗯,那些丢了毕生积蓄的,也不容易。
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发表于 2010-11-17 12:27:28 | 只看该作者
走马观花,你是来胡闹找乐的。生活中肯定是个调皮的家伙。
你也勉强算一个。不过你攻击过我,而且是钻牛角尖地攻击。
torontohankou 发表于 2010-11-17 12:02 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

你看你,正常的探讨被你戴上攻击的帽子
你自己的裸机和粉洗漏洞百出,却说别人钻牛角尖
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发表于 2010-11-17 13:27:28 | 只看该作者
好了,383楼的,找你的小妹妹玩去吧。
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发表于 2010-11-17 13:49:06 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 torontohankou 于 2010-11-17 14:09 编辑

Tom,你在382楼的叹息,我持一点点保留意见。
财富的定义是3个E,Excessive Cash, financial Education, financial Experience。如果没有同时存在的3个E,就算现在有钱,今后也是留不住的。老天爷是公平的。因为某些原因现在手头有钱,可是如果不懂得如何挣钱,或者这个钱不是靠自己挣来的,这笔钱迟早要还给他人。
我看到唐案原告的做法,曾对他们的这些钱的来源产生过想法。一个能有15万元加币闲钱投资而且来自大陆的人,大家可想想近百万的人民币,会是什么渠道来的?可能会是正当的生意,也可能是不正当的生意,还有的就是贪污来的。如果是正当生意人,对投资的谨慎一定是有的,个人成长一定是有的,亏了会说自己穷得要打工生活陷入困境来装可怜获得别人同情么?你觉得你会把毕生积蓄投入到一个基金吗?这是常识。其实大家可以对投资人的来源进行一下讨论。
我看到过有个人起诉唐先生,年初唐先生输了官司。虽然我不知道是什么案例,也不知道谁是谁非。但是感觉那个人是做正当事的生意人。因为他的做法,简单直接有效率,而且一人做事一人当,也符合君子交恶不出恶声的做法。
可是现在大家关注的唐案,辱骂声不绝于耳。谁君子谁小人?自有明辨。
还有一点,别随便同情装可怜的人。我在过去生活中遇到的最大的几个麻烦都是因为同情可怜人导致的。唐先生的境况比那些起诉他的原告要困难,可是从来没装可怜过。可怜之人必有可恨之处。
如果跳出可怜,再来看唐案,我想很多人的观点会或多或少有些改变。
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发表于 2010-11-17 15:40:00 | 只看该作者
Tom,你在382楼的叹息,我持一点点保留意见。
财富的定义是3个E,Excessive Cash, financial Education, financial Experience。如果没有同时存在的3个E,就算现在有钱,今后也是留不住的。老天爷是公平的。因为某些原因现在手头有钱,可是如果不懂得如何挣钱,或者这个钱不是靠自己挣来的,这笔钱迟早要还给他人。
我看到唐案原告的做法,曾对他们的这些钱的来源产生过想法。一个能有15万元加币闲钱投资而且来自大陆的人,大家可想想近百万的人民币,会是什么渠道来的?可能会是正当的生意,也可能是不正当的生意,还有的就是贪污来的。如果是正当生意人,对投资的谨慎一定是有的,个人成长一定是有的,亏了会说自己穷得要打工生活陷入困境来装可怜获得别人同情么?你觉得你会把毕生积蓄投入到一个基金吗?这是常识。其实大家可以对投资人的来源进行一下讨论。
我看到过有个人起诉唐先生,年初唐先生输了官司。虽然我不知道是什么案例,也不知道谁是谁非。但是感觉那个人是做正当事的生意人。因为他的做法,简单直接有效率,而且一人做事一人当,也符合君子交恶不出恶声的做法。
可是现在大家关注的唐案,辱骂声不绝于耳。谁君子谁小人?自有明辨。
还有一点,别随便同情装可怜的人。我在过去生活中遇到的最大的几个麻烦都是因为同情可怜人导致的。唐先生的境况比那些起诉他的原告要困难,可是从来没装可怜过。可怜之人必有可恨之处。
如果跳出可怜,再来看唐案,我想很多人的观点会或多或少有些改变。
torontohankou 发表于 2010-11-17 13:49 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


重复那个“不恰当”的比方
你的亲人被人谋杀了,你能容忍这样的说法吗:
人生在世,少不了2H, Health, Happiness, 如果两者都没有,那活着算是多余。老天爷是公平的,罪犯怎么偏偏就挑你亲人来实施犯罪呢?没准命中注定,即便不是这个罪犯,迟早也可能被别的人干掉。。。
你亲人从大陆来加拿大,会不会是腐败分子逃过来的?以前会不会是黑社会得罪人太多?其实大家应该对你亲人的身世多加调查?
不能容忍吧,觉得是奇谈怪论吧?
苦主的钱被骗了,你居然责备他们受不住财?还要查他们财富的来源?
什么裸机、什么粉洗?闻所未闻了!
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发表于 2010-11-17 15:42:54 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 唐炜臻 于 2010-11-17 15:59 编辑

如果我是犹太人,有意见就到5号去提

Last Updated: Monday, November 15, 2010 | 11:25 PM ET

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Nicholas Stein, CBC News

Tzvi Erez was accused of swindling more than 70 investors of $27 million, but the Crown dropped the charges, saying it lacked the resources to proceed quickly enough in the case. (CBC)
The Ontario Crown Attorney`s Office withdrew criminal charges against a Toronto man accused of operating a multimillion-dollar Ponzi scheme partly because the court lacks resources, CBC News has learned.

According to a report filed by a court-appointed receiver, Tzvi Erez, 43, used a series of expertly forged documents to defraud more than 70 investors of $27 million.

But in an email from Crown attorney Christine McGoey obtained by CBC News, the Crown said one of the reasons it decided not to pursue the case was because of the competition over trial time.

There are very serious criminal matters competing for limited trial time, with cases being stayed because of delay, wrote McGoey. And we have to consider the impact of any delay that might occur throughout the process and the variety of factors that are taken into account in assessing which cases will go to trial before others.

In June 2009, Erez was charged by Toronto police with one count of fraud over $5,000, seven counts of forgery and one count of violating his probation on a prior fraud conviction. The charges were based on evidence provided by one of Erez`s alleged victims, Willy Tencer.

According to a Sept. 30 memo written by Tencer`s lawyer, Lou Brzezinski, assistant Crown attorney Donna Gillespie told him the charges were dropped ecause the courts were tied up with more serious criminal matters [such as rape and murder].

Brzezinski, whose client invested more than $1.2 million with Erez, claimed Gillespie said that court time and availability of judges were insufficient … and as a result, hard choices had to be made.

Gillespie did not respond to requests for an interview. Ontario Attorney General Chris Bentley also declined to be interviewed.

Victim should have known better: Crown
The Crown was at risk of denying Erez his right under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to be tried in a reasonable period of time. More than 16 months after charging Erez, the Crown still had not fulfilled its requirement to disclose evidence to his lawyer, Edward Greenspan.

As I indicated to you, the Crown would very likely face an abuse of process motion should the course of action be pursued, McGoey wrote in her email.

The Crown also suggested another reason charges were withdrawn was because the victim should have known better.

In her email, McGoey said the complainant in the case was an experienced businessman but he did
ot seek to verify the invoices of the suppliers.

Assistant Crown attorney Gillespie echoed that consideration when she appeared before court to have the charges withdrawn.

The Crown is not attributing blame to the complainant, of course, but before investing large amounts of money in a business venture, an experienced businessman would endeavor to confirm the legitimacy of the business transaction and there should be due diligence on behalf of the lender or the investor before doing so, she said.

But neither McGoey nor Gillespie addressed the validity of the fraud and forgery charges against Erez. Erez`s alleged fraud first was exposed following the February 2009 bankruptcy of his Toronto printing company, E Graphix.

The evidence appeared to be overwhelming, according to a 295-page report filed in Ontario Superior Court by receiver Jerry Henechowicz, whom the court appointed to vet investor claims and locate and seize assets as part of the civil bankruptcy proceeding against Erez`s companies.

It is clear from the receiver`s investigations that Tzvi operated a `Ponzi` scheme, states the report. The report also stated that Erez obtained tens of millions of dollars in loans for his printing business based on documents that turned out to be elaborate forgeries.

Investors would be provided … forged purchase orders, invoices and other documents to support what was presented as a highly profitable yet underfinanced print-brokerage business.

Erez targeted investors from the Jewish community. His stepfather is a well-known real estate developer, and Erez graduated from two of the city`s most established Jewish parochial schools, Associated Hebrew Schools and the Community Hebrew Academy of Toronto.

We were played very well, says Elliot Steiner, a Richmond Hill real estate developer who invested $225,000 with Erez. It never occurred to me that somebody would do this, he said.

A piano prodigy who produced a couple of CDs and performed live at concert halls in Toronto, Erez put people at ease with his clean-cut, baby-faced appearance and studious manner.

“He’s just a regular guy, says Steiner. “You know, you’d see him in the breakfast restaurant every day, and you wouldn’t notice him in the crowd.”

After the alleged fraud was discovered, Brzezinski provided Toronto Police with all the documentation gathered during the receivership. His client, Tencer, gave police a sworn affidavit and supporting documentation detailing the alleged scheme.

If you have more information on this story or other investigative tips, please email [email protected].
Several other investors also contacted police and offered to give statements. But many investors, including Steiner, did not come forward, believing instead that they would be contacted in the course of the investigation.

Instead, the police brought charges based only on the complaint of Tencer


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/20 ... .html#ixzz15ZaVx6BL
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发表于 2010-11-17 15:50:48 | 只看该作者
老唐上庭回来啦?
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发表于 2010-11-17 16:21:48 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 揭秘 于 2010-11-17 16:27 编辑

torontohankou
Tom Dragon
走马观花
来来来,大家坐下来,我给你们托托开个会
这个会是关于你们职称的问题,你们现在已经正式被批准为---臭唐狗屎托大师
你们扮演的角色很好,在动画片里经常可以看到,你们要充分发挥你们后腿短的优势,以利再战。
祝贺你们,还要继续努力啊!
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发表于 2010-11-17 16:28:38 | 只看该作者
你不是揭秘,你是便秘。
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