圣经疑问

参m

近日51网上流行对“神”、“圣经”和“基督教”相关主体的讨论。在下自然不会放过这种学习的好机会。看着大伙讨论热火朝天，我却插不上半句。急啊！
不入虎穴，焉得虎子。不读原作，焉能入坛？
所以在下连日来猛读圣经。
一部圣经，也就一千多页，通读几遍也不是难事吧？（呵呵，其实在下现在为此也还没有通读完一遍）。

读的过程中，遇到不少疑问。
不坊把疑问一一提出，和大家一起讨论。
愿抛转能引玉，引出你的疑问、解答、高见.....


疑问一

先看原文如下：路加福音6章37--42节

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6:37 你们不要论断人、就不被论断．你们不要定人的罪、就不被定罪．你们要饶恕人、就必蒙饶恕．〔饶恕原文作释放〕

6:38 你们要给人、就必有给你们的．并且用十足的升斗、连摇带按、上尖下流的、倒在你们怀里．因为你们用甚么量器量给人、也必用甚么量器量给你们。

6:39 耶稣又用比喻对他们说、瞎子岂能领瞎子、两个人不是都要掉在坑里么。

6:40 学生不能高过先生．凡学成了的不过和先生一样 。

6:41 为甚么看见你弟兄眼中有刺、却不想自己眼中有梁木呢。

6:42 你不见自己眼中有梁木．怎能对你弟兄说、容我去掉你眼中的刺呢．你这假冒为善的人、先去掉自己眼中的梁木、然后才能看得清楚、去掉你弟兄眼中的刺。
”   
上面是耶稣关于“不要论断人”的教训。
疑问：
1、整段都是关于不要论断人的论述，为什么中间突然插入“学生不能高过先生．凡学成了的不过和先生一样”的经文？这句话看似和论断人没有任何关系.
2、“学生不能高过先生．凡学成了的不过和先生一样”。但生活中确实有学生高过先生的例子。此经文如何解释？是不是有什么矛盾之处？


其实不能算是“原创”，算我一个“原问”吧？

费事傾

3. 如何洗脑

老鼠会的洗脑简单地说是以种种手段，鼓吹通过传销迅速富裕的歪理，迷惑你的判断能力，改变你的思维方式、道德观念、行为方式，调动你的情感与情绪，激发你内心的欲望，使你对老鼠会由怀疑到深信不疑，不仅认同其价值观，而且对其产生经济依赖、心理依赖、情感依赖，直至深陷其中而不能自拔！而基督教会对教徒的洗脑与之大同小异，主要是灌输耶和华的‘大爱’，通过激起你对永生的奢求，改变你的道德观念，抹去你思维能力，使你对‘耶稣的爱’从怀疑到全盘接受，最后对耶和华杀婴，屠城灭族的壮举高唱慈爱公义的赞歌。

绝大多数人也或多或少了解洗脑的后果，可是为什么仍然有那么多人却心甘情愿地任人洗脑呢，主要是洗脑过程通常被套上诸如学习先进的推销术，公关本领，了解西方文明的基石等等美丽的光环。精神病学专家认为，只要存在四大要素，人的精神就容易受到控制，相对封闭的环境；经常性被调动的情绪；信息疲劳，反复轰炸，一直处于某种状态之中；创造一种归属感等。下面来看看洗脑的过程，教会/老鼠会又是如何采取各种手段，达到洗脑的目。

3.1. 控制人身自由，重点‘照顾’新人

很多老鼠会从把新人骗进门的那一刻起，就开始控制人身自由，甚至收走连手机、身份证什么的，许多人同住一个单元，一起吃住，不得外出，连续数天听课。课后热热闹闹过集体生活，闲时不许议论未来和成功，即使夫妻也只能住在不同的宿舍，没有独立思考的时间，不看电视，不听广播。对刚刚加入的受害者，实行全程紧密监护，有人陪同授课，陪你谈心，直到你深信不疑为止。

有理由相信，使徒时代的教会对信徒人身的控制，决不会比今天的老鼠会来得文明。当然今天基督教大多数教派已经不再使用这种严格控制人身自由的非法手段，而改用软性诉求，更多地利用‘脉脉温情’来骗取新人的信任。如果你是初次参加教会的活动，发现被教会的不少头面人物围绕时，不必受宠若惊，这不过是教会的一贯手段。当你出席教会主办的烧烤晚餐，每个人都热情地给你上菜时，你心里应该明白，大家是暗示你‘下次一定还要来呀’！还有不少教会安排密集活动，周三妈妈乐，周五聚餐，周六团契活动，周日礼拜。可想而知，一个人如果参加了这么多的教会活动，还会有多少时间参加教会外的活动呢？教会这样做的目的无法是制造一个‘相对封闭的环境’
，让新人在一段时间里，密集接受单一信息，最大程度地减少新人反复的可能性！

鄙视故意说谎
发表于 2006-6-27 11:12

我的經历跟本文所講的有点不同。話說,有朋友約我去參加一个健康產品說明會, 所听到的就像牧師講道, 只是換了字眼, 牧師說人人都有罪,那主講者說人人都有病, 為什么人人都有病呢? 因為我們生存在一个有毒的世界,空氣有毒, 水有毒, 泥土有毒,食物有毒。

現在回想起來, 真佩服那人能預知未來。那時中國大陸相对其他地方而言, 算得上是乾淨土, 而他卻講出今日大陸的情況。

他說, 幸而有某博士肯犧牲自己, 花了十多年時間, 辛苦礸硑,終於發明一种健康食品, 可以挽救世人的生命, 但那博士卻積勞成疾,為我們犧牲了。他為我們献出了生命, 我們決不可辜負他, 一定要秉承遺志, 挽救世人。

偉大呀, 真偉大。既可以挽救世人, 又可以財源廣進,試問誰不动心?即場就有許多人繳費入會。

我听得不耐煩,想叫朋友一起離場, 但朋友卻不知跑到那裏去, 只好自己一个人離開。

这時惊險場面出現了, 有兩个彪形大漢攔住去路, 說我既然來听过講座,就要成為其中一員,現在听完就走, 是沒有使命感, 一定不會有好下場的。

各位, 最近有个洋教徒說听过福音但不信, 下場會很悲慘, 手法是不是很相似?

我当時心裏很惊慌, 卻故意扮鎮定, 抬头望着天花板, 大踏步向門口走过去,一出門口, 立刻拔足狂奔, 幸而那兩个大汉也沒有追过來。

真个是
“蛟龍得水又復还, 險呀!”

那朋友後來打電話想向我解釋,我說: “有这样的朋友,还需要敵人嗎?”

蝴蝶飛呀

use Your tongue curled to the roof of your mouth。翻译成中文年是什么意思？
Itrust??? 发表于 2014-4-3 00:07

    她是写了中文，然后填入 GOOGLE 了，翻译成英文的，您这么问，不是为难她吗

孙参001

so, did u talk about yourself? man?
Pls use Your tongue curled to the roof of your mouth.
退而结网 发表于 2014-4-2 21:50

use Your tongue curled to the roof of your mouth。翻译成中文年是什么意思？

退而结网

Some people are unteachable.
费事傾 发表于 2014-4-2 17:57

    so, did u talk about yourself? man?
Pls use Your tongue curled to the roof of your mouth.

孙参001

i did not get it/and them, who said it?

费事傾

Some people are unteachable.

weinberger

So you are basically saying even if you tell people why you believe your God is the true God, they wouldn't be able to understand, so you may as well keep your God to yourself. That's not very helpful..

I have already told you.
费事傾 发表于 2014-4-2 14:05

费事傾

I have already told you.

weinberger

I know you believe Bible is absurb, no need to talk more about it.
Just curious to know why you believe your God (Gods) is the true God.
You don't have to repeat what you posted before, just provide a link to your previous messages and I will go check out.

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费事傾 发表于 2014-4-2 11:58

费事傾

回到圣經找答案

用圣經証三位一体之謬

weinberger

You don 't need to repeat. Just provide a link to the article you wrote on this topic please.

回复  weinberger

I have spent years studying Chinese classics before I know what God is like.

Since I know what God should be, I don't believe what is describe in your Bible.

Why? I have repeatedly expressed my  opinions in other articles, and I don't want to repeat and repeat.

Moreover, I cannot tell you what I know through years of studying in just a few minutes.

If I can tell you and you can understand, both of us are genius.
费事傾 发表于 2014-4-2 11:18

费事傾

回复 313# weinberger

I have spent years studying Chinese classics before I know what God is like.

Since I know what God should be, I don't believe what is describe in your Bible.

Why? I have repeatedly expressed my  opinions in other articles, and I don't want to repeat and repeat.

Moreover, I cannot tell you what I know through years of studying in just a few minutes.

If I can tell you and you can understand, both of us are genius.

weinberger

I didn't tell you any 'ridiculous things', I just asked some questions. I agreed that I don't know, because I didn't see it when God created man, and I never met anyone coming back from death and telling us whether it will be like what Bible describes, so I don't know, period.

What I am doing is using Christians' logics to test plausibility of their claims, not necessarily mean that I believe them.

So here's what we are different at: I think messages in Bible are mostly plausible, at least more plausible than other religions'. But you obviously think they are totally absurd.

You say clearly you believe in God, please describe the God (or Gods) that you believe. I believe that a person so logical and thoughtful as yourself must have concrete evidences to prove your God is the true God, otherwise you wouldn't believe it, correct? Love to hear the reason why you believe your God is the true God.

I believe in God. Everyone should believe in God, but not your God. I don’t believe what is described in your Bible, which is ridiculous.
May be, it is true that all things were created by God, but it must not be so simple as it is described in your bible.
How can you imagine that God could, in his own image, create both male and female?
Is your God male or female? Or both?
Confucius taught us: “If you know, say you know; if you don’t know, say you don’t know. That’s what you really know.”
Don’ t keep telling us those ridiculous things that you actually do not know.
费事傾 发表于 2014-4-2 09:58

费事傾

I am interested in hearing your truth. First question, so you don't believe man was created by God, because?
1. You can prove man was created by somebody (or something) else.
2. You can prove man was evolved from monkey.
3. Christian can not prove man was created by God.
4. Christian can not prove man was not evolved from monkey.
5. Other, please specify.
weinberger 发表于 2014-4-1 16:56

I believe in God. Everyone should believe in God, but not your God. I don’t believe what is described in your Bible, which is ridiculous.
May be, it is true that all things were created by God, but it must not be so simple as it is described in your bible.
How can you imagine that God could, in his own image, create both male and female?
Is your God male or female? Or both?
Confucius taught us: “If you know, say you know; if you don’t know, say you don’t know. That’s what you really know.”
Don’ t keep telling us those ridiculous things that you actually do not know.