圣经上写了的都是真理吗？
Evolution myths: The theory is wrong because the Bible is 'inerrant'[*]18:00 16 April 2008 by Michael Le Page[*]For similar stories, visit the Evolution Topic GuideThis argument is undermined by the hundreds of errors and inaccuracies and contradictions found in Bible. It is anything but "inerrant".A few creationists are honest enough to admit that the evidence supporting the theory of evolution is irrelevant as far as they are concerned: as it contradicts the "Word of God", it simply has to be wrong.Some Christians regard the text of the Bible as literally true or, to use their term, as "inerrant". If people reject evolution on this basis, it is only fair to ask whether this belief stands up.Whichever translation of the Bible you look at it is not hard to find errors. The texts are full of internal contradictions as well as historical and scientificinaccuracies.There are so many examples it is hard to know where to start. Take its cosmology: according to the Bible, the earth is flat and immovable, the moon emits its own light, the sky is solid and the stars can be shaken from the sky by earthquakes.Its mathematics is also poor. How many sons do you count: "The sons of Shemaiah: Huttush, Igal, Bariah, Neriah, and Shaphat, six" (I Chronicles 3:22). Such errors are common. The value of pi is given as 3, even though many other cultures had already worked it out with greater precision.Bible biologyIts biology is no better. The Bible claims that rabbits chew the cud, that the pattern of goats' coats can be changed by what their parents look at while copulating, that only dead seeds can germinate and that ostriches are careless parents.Fundamentalists try to explain away some of these examples in the light of what we now know: pi is approximately three, they point out, while rabbits eat their own droppings, which is a bit like chewing the cud. But such explanations essentially admit that the Bible is not the ultimate source of of reliable truths about the world.In other words, if you want to know anything from how rabbits digest their food or how to breed goats to the value of pi or whether the sun orbits the earth or vice versa, you have to turn to science and mathematics, not the Bible. If that's the case, then surely the same is true of how life on Earth came about?So how reliable is the Bible chapter that relates to evolution? Let's leave aside the long-standing evidence that Earth is older than 6000 years and that there was no world-wide flood, and look at what else Genesis says.Genesis 1 gives the order of creation as plants, animals, man and woman.Genesis 2 gives it as man, plants, animals and woman. Genesis 1:3-5 says light was created on the first day, Genesis 1:14-19 says the sun was created on the fourth. Genesis 7:2 says Noah took seven pairs of each beast,Genesis 7:8-15 says one pair.The list goes on. The fruit of the tree of knowledge is said to kill within a day of being eaten, yet Adam and Eve don't die after eating it. Genesis says there were giants (Nephilim) before the flood and that the flood annihilated all creatures other than those on the ark, but Numbers says there were giants after the flood.Sorting it outAttempts to resolve these contradictions are almost as old as the Bible itself. Those who regard the Bible as inerrant tie themselves in knots trying to explain them away (hands up who believes that T. rex was once a peaceful vegetarian?), or even take it upon themselves to rewrite the Bible to expunge them.However, there are far too many errors, inaccuracies and contradictions to dismiss them all. The only rational and reasonable conclusion is that the Bible is not inerrant.Don't believe us? Good, that's the spirit. Question everything. Go look up all these examples for yourself and make up your own mind.
怎么全是英文的？
圣经上写了的都是真理？ no--圣经记载了很多事情--包括交鬼、妓女、行巫术、男色、拜偶像、谎言、贪婪的故事，
这些no-good。 即使你找到一、两处错误，对你有意义吗？
有些在你看来是错误的，其实是我们理解上的错误。
比如： 创世纪说“你吃的日子必定死”，但亚当并没有马上死，但仔细读，你会发现。。。
创世纪说“雅各家来到埃及约共有七十人”--使徒行传说“约瑟就打发弟兄请父亲雅各，和全家七十五个人都来”。--哈哈，找到明显错误了。但仔细研究，你会发现。。。
whatever，我也说不清楚 回复 1# 酒中仙
圣经在受过高等教育的人特别是懂得比较多的中国人看来,就是一本漏洞百出的神话故事书,
里面有部分历史事实,大部分都是谎言.
但是,在北美这个地方,人们需要宗教,需要打发周末无聊的时光. 很多孩子也在教会得到锻炼和成长.
圣经中也有些做人的道理, 许多人也因此受益. 很多人在教会供职,也得到所谓的成就感和认同感.
就像有些人沉迷游戏, 在游戏中获得成就感一样. 爱信不信，但如果要相信圣经里写的都是真理，那你就成白痴了。正如楼上所说，圣经中也有些做人的道理，但有教你做人道理的书籍、教派很多啊，所以也不一定要信基督教。 本帖最后由 酒中仙 于 2014-4-8 09:54 编辑
回复酒中仙
圣经在受过高等教育的人特别是懂得比较多的中国人看来,就是一本漏洞百出的神话故事书,
里面有部分历史事实,大部分都是谎言.
但是,在北美这个地方,人们需要宗教,需要打发周末无聊的时光. 很多孩子也在教会得到锻炼和成长.
圣经中也有些做人的道理, 许多人也因此受益. 很多人在教会供职,也得到所谓的成就感和认同感.
就像有些人沉迷游戏, 在游戏中获得成就感一样.
飞鱼IT 发表于 2014-4-8 07:58 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
认同此理。
我理解的适当的对待圣经的态度是：科学归科学，神话归神话，井水不犯河水。进了实验室研究科学，进了教堂聊神话。我相信多数教友内心是持这种态度。 回复 4# 飞鱼IT
那么圣经在没有文化的人当中？就是那些伯伯阿婆眼里、心里，是怎样的一本书？
在外国，特别是顶尖科学大师眼里，圣经又是怎样一本书？
您算是大师？有文化？没文化的？
或者说：您读过圣经吗？
- 此帖来自无忧论坛手机版 圣经是真理，可解释的人就不一定啦，特别是还有政治目的的哪些人（袁志明、张玻璃之类） 如果是为了聊神话，那是没人会去教堂的。大家都说的客气点，你信就去信，我不信就不信，井水不犯河水。这样好些。
认同此理。
我理解的适当的对待圣经的态度是：科学归科学，神话归神话，井水不犯河水。进了实验室研究科学，进了教堂聊神话。我相信多数教友内心是持这种态度。
酒中仙 发表于 2014-4-8 09:52 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif 认同此理。
我理解的适当的对待圣经的态度是：科学归科学，神话归神话，井水不犯河水。进了实验室研 ...
酒中仙 发表于 2014-4-8 09:52 http://bbs.51.ca/m/images/common/back.gif
持这类态度进教堂、say 阿门的 ，还真不少------比如您坐在教堂，别人也会认为你是基督徒，而你这个基督徒，就是这态度------教会不会因此就不让你坐下------教堂的门无论和平战争，永远给有需要的人敞开
信仰是个过程，接受基督为救主，是个过程，时候不到 天机怎能明白呢？
我自己比你差，呵呵，我徘徊盘问狡辩了20年啊！
愿上帝像当年打开我这愚拙的疙瘩木脑一样，开启你聪慧、反思、求索的灵 本帖最后由 三达 于 2014-4-8 10:42 编辑
在教会谈政治的都违背了上帝的本意，都是犯罪。借教会谈生意的那些地产经纪、保险经纪、移民难民中介什么的也是一样，都是犯罪。 我觉得能信的人基本都有一个谦卑的心，愿意读圣经，自己在灵里与神沟通有所感悟。如果以挑战的心，一上来就要用科学依据逐行逐句否定你的信仰依据，那他是一定不会信的。讲的再多也是鸡同鸭讲，浪费大家的时间。
回复飞鱼IT
那么圣经在没有文化的人当中？就是那些伯伯阿婆眼里、心里，是怎样的一本书？
在外国，特别是顶尖科学大师眼里，圣经又是怎样一本书？
您算是大师？有文化？没文化的？
或者说：您读过圣经吗？
- 此帖来自无忧论坛手机版
纸纱窗 发表于 2014-4-8 10:28 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif 本帖最后由 酒中仙 于 2014-4-8 10:52 编辑
如果是为了聊神话，那是没人会去教堂的。大家都说的客气点，你信就去信，我不信就不信，井水不犯河水。这样好些。
weinberger 发表于 2014-4-8 10:35 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
那你是不是认为圣经上的话“句句是真理，一句顶一万句”？
主帖罗列了很多圣经不自圆其说，和错误的例子，你怎麽看？怎麽解释圣经的不同版本，哪种版本是上帝的原版？上帝是不是在不断改写修订圣经？ 句句是真理，一句顶一万句显然是不对的。圣经包含神要人知道的一些事情，但是不能逐字逐句take literally。几千年过去了，经人的手经过这么多次修订，翻译，难免会有所偏差。另外圣经很多形象化的比喻你也不能去用精密的科学化论证。比如如果圣经用纯科学的方法向几千年前的人类描绘地球引力，自转，公转，他们听的懂吗，会相信吗？
那你是不是认为圣经上的话“句句是真理，一句顶一万句”？
主帖罗列了很多圣经不自圆其说，和错误的例子，你怎麽看？怎麽解释圣经的不同版本，哪种版本是上帝的原版？上帝是不是在不断改写修订圣经？
酒中仙 发表于 2014-4-8 10:50 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif 圣经是不是真理，妙就妙在"解释和理解"上面呀。
古代犹太文盲村民的经书说:我给大地立根基的时候，你在哪呢? 教友解释，"上帝"并没说地是平的呀。
路加福音说“两个人在一个床上……两个女人一同推磨，”，马太福音又被教友翻出一句话：“两个人在田里……”，硬是被教友们解释为圣经说有人在睡觉，同时有人在做工。睡觉的肯定在晚上，做工的肯定是在白天，就是白天黑夜同时出现，证明圣经早暗示了地球是圆的。
要我说，圣经在这里暗示的是两个人在床上搞基，两个女人推磨(磨磨磨磨)是lesbian，这暗示的是上帝也是支持同性恋的。等到满地同性恋的时候，主就要降临了。
教友那些所谓的解释，只能用"不要脸"来总结。看着犯恶心。