多谢！我想先把“法理”弄清楚了，再讲“情”不难。尽管对方一开始就挺强硬的，不容商量。也不show我有关文件，拒绝show我。只一个劲地“命令”我限时处理好，否则他将诉诸法庭。
情是一回事，理（法）是一回事。
This is the point.
多数回贴都没有理解你的问题。所以答题不及格。
单枪匹马 发表于 2014-1-14 08:03 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
事情还在进展。我把市府网站的这个解答email了他。他今早的回答如下：
市府网站的解答：What do I do if debris from myneighbour's tree has fallen on my property? Who is responsible?
The owner of the property where the treebranches/limbs fall is responsible for bringing the debris to the curb for Citycrews to remove it or contacting a private contractor for removal if the debrisis larger than 15 cm (6 inches in diameter).If there is damage to the property,please contact your insurance company.
From：
邻居的Property Manager今早的回复：Thatinformation is from the city. The branches from your tree are larger than6" in diameter and they are still attached to the tree. I am not going toargue with you any longer. If the hazardous broken branches are not removed byMonday my instructions are to have the work done and commence legal action tocollect the costs.
再请教：我园子树上的半断枝仍然悬挂在邻居园子的上空，尚未落下，这是谁负责？
还有一个问题：私家后院的树到底是谁的财产？房主的？还是政府或国家的？谁应该为这树负责？房主对树的砍伐是有种种限制的，好像不能说树是房主的财产。
以下英文大致知道。但细节还不太清楚。这种自然灾害造成的、健康树枝的半折断、悬挂于邻园上空的现象，该谁负责？感谢！
Private property trees - pruning a neighbours tree branches overhanging onto your property
The City of Toronto does not regulate the trimming of trees on private property.
If the tree in question is dead/dying or has dead branches that could be hazardous, Urban Forestry can investigate.
Trimming a neighbour's overhanging branches:
Urban Forestry recommends that you discuss this with your neighbour.
There are three main points to remember when dealing with trees on adjacent private property:
You cannot trespass onto your neighbour's property
You cannot damage your neighbour's property (in this case a tree); and
You have the right to maintain your property in a safe condition
It is therefore best for property owners to come to an agreement between themselves with respect to trees overhanging property lines.
If you are unable to reach an agreement with your neighbour and want to determine your legal rights, you should contact a lawyer.
The act of pruning trees on neighbouring private property affects private property rights and is a civil issue between private property owners.
Where a tree on private property is protected under the provisions of the Private Tree Bylaw, pruning of the tree is permitted provided the pruning is in accordance with good arboricultural standards. Otherwise, a permit would be required to injure or destroy the tree.
A qualified tree expert should always be retained to carry out tree pruning.
Question
Can the City of Toronto recommend a tree service company who I can hire to prune or work on my trees?
Answer
墨子 发表于 2014-1-14 10:35 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
看来问题复杂，原来您邻居不是单独住家。我再找找关于没有完全折断树枝的资料，请您把现场拍照留好记录，把您和邻居的交涉资料保留好，并咨询一下自己的保险公司。
好的。感谢！
看来问题复杂，原来您邻居不是单独住家。我再找找关于没有完全折断树枝的资料，请您把现场拍照留好记录，把您和邻居的交涉资料保留好，并咨询一下自己的保险公司。
小盐粒儿 发表于 2014-1-14 11:35 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
紧急请教：我家园中雪压断枝掉在邻居家的园里，谁应该负责处理？感谢各位帮助！
墨子 发表于 2014-1-12 13:21 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
Insurance and the ice storm: Are you covered?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/insurance-and-the-ice-storm-are-you-covered-1.2474389
这里有CBC的文章，里面 提到：
If the damage is caused by your neighbour’s tree, you should still contact your insurance company to report the damage, IBC spokesman Steve Kee told CBCNews.ca. “Your insurer may then go after your neighbour’s insurance company for payment,” he said. If the tree is owned by the city, you should still report the damage to your own insurer. But the damage may be something the city would ultimately be responsible for, Kee said. He also advised potential claimants to take pictures of any damage "once it's fresh."
其中的IBC， 是Insurance Bureau of Canada。这样看来如果造成损失，仍然是受损方负责报告，但是最终会转嫁到树木所有者的保险公司。如果断枝没有造成损失，文章这样说：
What if a big tree goes down in your yard but doesn’t actually cause any damage? Would you be covered for the cleanup and removal of the tree? Probably not. Insurance covers damage to your fences, your roof, eavestroughs, windows, porches and outbuildings. But debris removal from your yard, in the absence of physical property damage, will generally be at your own expense.
没有提到还没有完全折断的情况，我再找找，请把目前这些资料都保留好。
很有用。Thank you！
回复 34# 小盐粒儿
很有用。Thank you！
回复小盐粒儿
墨子 发表于 2014-1-14 12:02 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
这里还有多伦多星报的文章：
http://www.thestar.com/life/homes/2012/02/24/who_pays_if_a_tree_falls_in_your_yard.html
Who pays if a tree falls in your yard?
其中提到：
If a tree falls
If a tree falls and damages your property, it will largely depend on whether the tree was healthy or whether you had warned your neighbour to remove the tree because it was dying. Case law has determined that if the tree was healthy, then you cannot sue your neighbour for damages. It becomes a matter between you and your insurance company, although in my experience, many policies do not cover this type of damage. However, there is also case law that if you had warned your neighbour to take down the tree because it was dying, they did nothing and then damage occurred, you can successfully claim for your losses.
回忆一下您的邻居又没有书面通知您要求您这样做？
多谢！问题又来了：1、那树枝还活着，（或现在我判断不出枝的死活），我砍它们，是否又违反了市府的砍树规定？ 2、那悬枝在园中，不在房顶上，危险性较小。如果该我处理，我可否要求到天气情况好些时，如二月再处理？对方说“NO.” 3、对方有权要求我在他指定的期限内完成吗？没有任何商量的余地？ 4、如果我不能、或不同意在他指定的期限内完成，他砍或处理我树在他园中的部分 with or without my agreement，这又怎么处理？中间出事了，我有什么责任？他有什么责任？比如，他损害了我家的栅栏，等。 5、如果我同意他做，他是否要预先给我报至少三家的价，由我来选？或直接动工，然后寄给我一张要我付的账单？
这里还有多伦多星报的文章：
Who pays if a tree falls in your yard?
其中提到：
If a tree falls
If a tree falls and damages your property, it will largely depend on whether the tree was healthy or whether you had warned your neighbour to remove the tree because it was dying. Case law has determined that if the tree was healthy, then you cannot sue your neighbour for damages. It becomes a matter between you and your insurance company, although in my experience, many policies do not cover this type of damage. However, there is also case law that if you had warned your neighbour to take down the tree because it was dying, they did nothing and then damage occurred, you can successfully claim for your losses.
回忆一下您的邻居又没有书面通知您要求您这样做？
小盐粒儿 发表于 2014-1-14 13:47 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
通知了。
回忆一下您的邻居又没有书面通知您要求您这样做？
小盐粒儿 发表于 2014-1-14 13:47 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
多谢！问题又来了：1、那树枝还活着，（或现在我判断不出枝的死活），我砍它们，是否又违反了市府的砍树规定？ 2、那悬枝在园中，不在房顶上，危险性较小。如果该我处理，我可否要求到天气情况好些时，如二月再处理？对方说“NO.” 3、对方有权要求我在他指定的期限内完成吗？没有任何商量的余地？ 4、如果我不能、或不同意在他指定的期限内完成，他砍或处理我树在他园中的部分 with or without my agreement，这又怎么处理？中间出事了，我有什么责任？他有什么责任？比如，他损害了我家的栅栏，等。 5、如果我同意他做，他是否要预先给我报至少三家的价，由我来选？或直接动工，然后寄给我一张要我付的账单？
墨子 发表于 2014-1-14 14:25 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
从您提供的信息，我个人判断，您的邻居物业经理没有在回复中提及任何关于造成的损失或即将造成的损失的责任和赔偿，这位物业经理是明确知道这个部分是由他们的保险负责的。目前焦点可能集中在断枝连接部位的位置，有没有跨越property line。如果断枝连接处仍然在您这边，按照规定，他们只能处理跨越property line的部分，您还是需要处理自己那部分，这最好需要两边共同请专业公司，再协商合适的比例分摊费用，其间造成的二次损失，专业公司会负责。这一切都需要先询价，问清楚。
关于请专业人员，市府给予如下提示：Why Hire an Arborist?
http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=5cc1bec88f561410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=470bdada600f0410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD
但是如果连接部位完全在邻居那边，他们认为有危险，还是需要与您协商，才可以处理的。
对于目前的特殊情况，市府的规定如下：
Do residents need a City permit to remove damaged or fallen trees?
No, property owners do not require a City permit to remove damaged or downed trees that are hazardous, however many trees can be saved with proper care and pruning. The requirement for a permit for damaged trees on private property has temporarily been waived. Under normal circumstances, the City requires property owners to submit a request and photos of a tree for which confirmation of by-law exemption is being sought. However, recognizing the impact the ice storm has had on trees, and to enable owners to take immediate action to eliminate dangerous situations related to privately owned trees, the City has relaxed the usual tree by-law exemption request and confirmation process until further notice.
Under normal circumstances, the City requires property owners to submit a request and photos of a tree for which confirmation of by-law exemption is being sought. However, recognizing the impact the ice storm has had on trees, and to enable owners to take immediate action to eliminate dangerous situations related to privately owned trees, the City has relaxed the usual tree by-law exemption request and confirmation process until further notice.
Where a tree has been rendered imminently hazardous due to the ice storm, property owners are requested to take a picture of the tree to document its physical condition prior to having it removed. The visual record of the tree's condition together with any other documented information about the tree from a professional tree care company or arborist will be important should complaints be received for follow-up by Urban Forestry staff regarding suspected illegal tree removal.
但是如果您的邻居曾经在过去书面通知您这棵树 it was dying，会造成潜在危险，要求您清理，他们的理由是什么？不能因为这一次的灾害为依据。我也没有找到任何要求您在他们指定的期限内完成的法律依据。
多谢小盐为这个case查了很多资料！
“您的邻居物业经理没有在回复中提及任何关于造成的损失或即将造成的损失的责任和赔偿，这位物业经理是明确知道这个部分是由他们的保险负责的。”
这句话比较重要，不过，我还是不太清楚它的含义。希望再解释一下为好。感谢啊！
回复 39# 小盐粒儿
it changes everything if the tree branches are still attached to the tree.
most likely you own the trees within you property. in very rare situation, city hall owns a tree (e.g. it's hundreds year old or george washington planted the tree) in the middle of your property, but quite often there are some city trees along the street very close to your property limit. to make sure you own the trees, contact city hall.
if you are quite sure you are the owner of the tree, and falling branches are still attached to the tree, then they are part of your property. you are responsible to deal with the issue even dangling tree branches reach out beyond your property limit. however, if the broken tree branches are really big ones (broken branches more than 6cm in diameter and tree trunk is more than 30cm in diameter), even damaged the tree trunk and made it dangerous to public safety, you may think about remove the whole tree. in order to do so, you need a city permit.
try to remove those dangling tree branches asap if they did not cause major damage to the tree, whether you do it yourself or get city hall or a contractor doing it. be aware if you have to do the work in your neighbor's property. consult your neighbor and get his/her permission first.
another thing, you and your neighbor may share the ownership of the tree if the tree trunk is right in the property line.
be safe.
多谢小盐为这个case查了很多资料！
“您的邻居物业经理没有在回复中提及任何关于造成的损失或即将造成的损失的责任和赔偿，这位物业经理是明确知道这个部分是由他们的保险负责的。”
这句话比较重要，不过，我还是不太清楚它的含义。希望再解释一下为好。感谢啊！
回复小盐粒儿
墨子 发表于 2014-1-14 17:25 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
也许资料太多，反而会把问题复杂化了，我们还是回到基本原则吧。
对于未完全折断的树枝，正如jingheng朋友在41帖所言，树木所有者有以下义务：
http://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/47/101000042047.html
Bylaw enforcement - trees or tree branches - decayed - damaged - hazardous - dangerous - on private property
Under City of Toronto Municipal Code, Chapter 632, Section 632-5, the property owner or person in charge of a property upon which a tree is located, is responsible for the removal of any decayed, damaged or dangerous tree or branch that poses a danger to persons or property.
根据您提供的情况，未完全折断仍然连接部分需要您来处理。您的邻居可以因为安全原因，将断枝会造成潜在威胁为理由，书面要求您清理跨越到他们那边的未完全折断树枝，如果您没有处理，将来因此造成的损失就是您的责任了。但是他们不能不经过与您协商达成协议的情况下对断枝进行处理，因为这仍然是您的物业。
Private property trees - pruning a neighbours tree branches overhanging onto your property
http://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/78/101000038178.html
对于如何处理断枝，还是需要专业人员，我不知道您的树木高度，断枝有多大，如果简单处理，是否会造成日后的隐患，比如因清除部分过大对树木的稳定性产生影响，就需要相应处理其他部位等等，这些都需要专业人员来评估。
您的邻居要求限期处理并不合理，但是这确实是潜在危险，冬季还有两个多月，天气状况是否允许您等待到二月份是难以预料的情况，建议您还是尽早处理，所需要的时间请您向邻居解释。
您可以多咨询几家Arborist公司，也可以问问附近的邻居这次谁家里有相同情况如何处理的。
还是安全第一，比金钱更重要。
Jingheng的专业、英文、及助人为乐之精神，令我深服！说得很对！ 在邻居屋主（不是manager）的同意下，下午就将处理。 具体的，再汇报。感谢各位！
it changes everything if the tree branches are still attached to the tree.
jingheng 发表于 2014-1-14 20:56 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
和邻居屋主谈了，他同意我下午派人处理。详情再告。多谢！
也许资料太多，反而会把问题复杂化了，我们还是回到基本原则吧。
小盐粒儿 发表于 2014-1-15 10:22 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
和邻居屋主谈了，他同意我下午派人处理。详情再告。多谢！
墨子 发表于 2014-1-15 12:19 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
今天风大，千万小心，不要勉强，安全第一。