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KK 123

香港人醒醒了，10个香港人，9个是经纪的香港人清醒一下了，香港人除了赌就是嫖
的香港人真的要清醒了，全世界都在学中国话，你们连中国话，中国字都不会，赶
快清醒!!!!

weinberger

First of all, I am not from HongKong, I travelled there 2 years ago, that's about it.
If 51 is based in China, then I fully support your view. But last time I checked, this place is called 51.ca and English is the official language of ca, so I don't understand what's the problem here.
As almost all people visiting 51 live in Canada, we should understand the strength of this country is our diversity. We shall not lock ourselves in our little corner that we feel comfortable, speaking only one language, mingling with people from the same background and same culture. Instead, I believe we should take this opportunity to interact and learn from people who are different from us.
There're some people here who don't speak English very well, true. But that is not enough reason to prohibit the use of English on 51. Chinese people in Canada come from everywhere, mainland, HongKong, Taiwan, SouthEast Asia, and those who were born in North America and all over the world. We bring with us a variety of views, cultures, experiences and languages that we can all learn from each other and benefit ourselves. Just like there's diversity in Canada, there's diversity on 51 that we should all embrace, not discourage.

三和居士

我来说两句。

我的英语不好，关于英文翻译方面就不发表意见了。我是来劝架的。可以看出来，跟帖的所有大侠都是有学问的人，都是受过教育的文化人，何必吵架呢。是学术问题就好好讨论，不可文人相轻，更不要进行地域性攻击，大家多包容。

我不知道[香港来的鸟人]是否真的是从香港来的，从他的网名及下面那句话看，有可能是对有人把广东话贬称为“鸟话”而表示反感，记得以前在51有关广东话的讨论里，广东人和广东话是曾被攻击过的，伤害肯定是有的。大陆说国语（普通话）的移民初抵加国时，生活中（如到唐人街消费）工作中（如遇到说广东话的工头、老板）可能有过不愉快，其中有的是语言隔阂造成的误会，有的是劳资矛盾。如果把这些转化成地域憎恶，是极端不智的。
还有的人说，台湾人香港控制的本地的话语权，这里面有历史原因，他们来得比大陆移民早，已建立好社会架构；也有经济原因，他们已建立了不少实体（如工厂、公司、报社、电台、电视台），但总的来说，他们对大陆移民并不是排斥的。随着大陆移民人数的增多及经济实力的加大（如王府井商场的开发），我相信国语人的话语权将会大大加强的。

另外，在51写帖，应尽量用中文，我赞成7号的意见。我知道香港人里也有汉字输入的好手，方法也不止汉语拼音一种。好了，希望大家和好，好好玩。

KK 123

我来说两句。

我的英语不好，关于英文翻译方面就不发表意见了。我是来劝架的。可以看出来，跟帖的所有大侠都是有学问的人，都是受过教育的文化人，何必吵架呢。是学术问题就好好讨论，不可文人相轻，更不要进行地域性攻击，大家多包容。

我不知道[香港来的鸟人]是否真的是从香港来的，从他的网名及下面那句话看，有可能是对有人把广东话贬称为“鸟话”而表示反感，记得以前在51有关广东话的讨论里，广东人和广东话是曾被攻击过的，伤害肯定是有的。大陆说国语（普通话）的移民初抵加国时，生活中（如到唐人街消费）工作中（如遇到说广东话的工头、老板）可能有过不愉快，其中有的是语言隔阂造成的误会，有的是劳资矛盾。如果把这些转化成地域憎恶，是极端不智的。
还有的人说，台湾人香港控制的本地的话语权，这里面有历史原因，他们来得比大陆移民早，已建立好社会架构；也有经济原因，他们已建立了不少实体（如工厂、公司、报社、电台、电视台），但总的来说，他们对大陆移民并不是排斥的。随着大陆移民人数的增多及经济实力的加大（如王府井商场的开发），我相信国语人的话语权将会大大加强的。

另外，在51写帖，应尽量用中文，我赞成7号的意见。我知道香港人里也有汉字输入的好手，方法也不止汉语拼音一种。好了，希望大家和好，好好玩。
三和居士 发表于 2010-4-5 18:58

这个比较客观好！！！

人生犹如随想曲

不知会看到这样的场面, 也不知道该说什么才对. 我只能说世上没有完美的人和事, 人各有所长和其短. 人都难免犯错误, 要宽容他人, 7好是一个见义勇为, 爱打抱不平的热血有为的网友. 更不要拿他人的过错惩处自己. 多点幽默未尝不是好是.
香港来的鸟人网友 从名字看就有其特别之处. 三人行必有我师,何况对我来说他确是高手, 他的英语历史背景远好过我. 他的第一贴,无论他是何用意,我从中学到了一点新的内容. 也可能是他个人的长期习惯性说话方式吧. 第二贴, 无论错与对,还是有 诚意的.
和者盖寡网友的处事方法确实值得学习. 我最欣赏的翻译是Masonscarbo网友的
既然无怨无悔，就放手去搏吧确
或:
往事懊悔与否,都要放手去搏.

人生犹如随想曲

回复  一世人生

This is unsolicited, but your signature tagline is a little hard to understand.

You wrote "I know what I am and how did people feel me. this is enough for me."

I can guess what you are trying to convey but it is not quite idiomatic.

Why don't you ask everyone to reword it a little for you to make it easier for people to understand. I could be a good learning experience.
香港来的鸟人 发表于 2010-4-4 21:46

我的意思是:要提醒自己, 要真正的知道自己,发挥长处,改正不足.不要的太在乎他人的赞美和攻击. 他人的尊敬是靠赢得的,不是要求来的.

孙参001

Masonscarbo,i love you

人生犹如随想曲

Know Yourself and Know Others

老子：知人者智 知己者明。“Knowing others is wisdom, knowing yourself is enlightenment.” Lao Tzu quote
和者盖寡 发表于 2010-4-4 22:11

thank you.
I like it and take it .

刀近平

短短一个英文句子竟能引出那么多的讨论与释义，啧啧啧，英文真的博大精深

7 hao

我啥对鸟人反感,就是起初我改正他的英语语法,他回复那句大意是”这是本地人说话方式,是你们不懂,是你们不对,所以你们没有话语权” 。鸟人最新写给我那帖又是这样,美国年青人已经不太用allow这个字。

这种逻辑在哲学上叫appeal to authority,”大人/权威说话小孩要听”,鸟人就是权威,美国人就是权威,中国人读的书是白读的,中国人就要听话。先说英语五花八门,实在没有什么叫正统英语,美国那么大,New England, Mid West, 南部和加州已经说不同英语,Orange County还有Black English,情形跟香港和广州差不多,同样是粤语,但是不太一样,是香港话对还是广州话对,是嘛嘛地还是一般???

加上不同教养不同年纪的人会用不同语法,我们书本上学的My Dear,语法没错,不过现在差不多是上了年纪的用,或者在一些非常正式场合/关系用。总之我们要学的是在不同情形用不同语言,而不是硬说美国年轻人说的就是对,我们中国人文化能力认同跑到那里去???

鸟人那句get out come out很明显是错,鸟人辩护的逻辑是这样,他听过他见过,是本地人说的,所以我们就要听话,你们呢,有没有看过他写的东西,他写的就是权威,你们就要听。我们想见的是内容,不是鸟人说他见过就是真理。

本地人说的就是对,便是真理。如果公司有人敢对我说这种歪理我会跟他没完没了,因为这种歪理就是种族歧视。当一个说英语的香港人向我们扣屎盘,是不是我们国人就要站在那里默默忍受呢。

我有能力用广东话写帖,大家都应该知道我是广东人,我站出来是看不过鸟人的英语霸权主义态度。香港人的拜码头习惯,鸟人完全不尊重,入境问禁,鸟人不尊重我们,我也不用跟他客气。

总之,就是英语霸权主义和种族歧视,我不是要上纲上线,加拿大政府尽力保护少数人,我们遇上不平等事情也要站出来,正所谓天助自助。

和者盖寡

7 hao这次真生气了。

香港来的鸟人

7 hao这次真生气了。
和者盖寡 发表于 2010-4-6 09:23

I don't know what had gotten into him.

I had never said "”这是本地人说话方式,是你们不懂,是你们不对,所以你们没有话语权." He is very good at finding hidden messages in everything I wrote. I just explained to him people in the U.S. speak a little differently than people Canada, that's all, nothing more, nothing less.
I never said my English was better than annone else, just that I don't know how to work the Chinese word processor. On top of that, I can only read Chinese, I can no longer write it fluently anymore.

He is very good at twisting and turning my words. Putting words in my mouth is his strength. Anyone reading only his Chinese postings, you would get an impression that I am the worse person ever existed doing all the bad things he said I have been doing here.

He used a lot of horrible curse words on me and even stooped so low as to insult my dead mother; now that is very, very low and unmanly.

I have seen lot of his postings attacking and laughing at other people using all sorts of curse words. If you ask me, he is the biggest cowardly bully these pages have ever seen. He is very good at dishing out using his foul mouth but has no stomach to take anything in. Typical web space bully!

Maybe he has lots of regrets in his closet?

Let it go 7 hao. Take a deep breath, you will feel better afterward. Peace brother.

WTTO

个人经历，不知是否有代表性。我交往的美国人，不同阶层，超过一半好为人师，你指出它的不是，超过一半死不承认，何况你指出的是美国英语的错误。

知道我是谁

回复 102# 香港来的鸟人

Why do you use "he" not "she" for 7 hao. I just see a beautiful girl there. :no:

香港来的鸟人

个人经历，不知是否有代表性。我交往的美国人，不同阶层，超过一半好为人师，你指出它的不是，超过一半死不承认，何况你指出的是美国英语的错误。
WTTO 发表于 2010-4-6 10:46

Have you read all my postings ? I openly admitted my errors and apologized on many occasions. I had never said my English was better than anyone, it's just I am using it so much to a point that I hardly can write Chinese anymore; it's a shame, but I could not help it.

He kept attacking me, at one point firing off more than 30 postings within a couple of hours. Some of the curse words he used on me were totally off the wall in a civil discourse. I am saddened by his outrageous behavior and I do believe he owes me and most people here an apology. He is just a cowardly bully, that's all.

OK, no more from me. I need to move on so I can amuse myself with other more important things.