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发表于 2017-3-10 13:14:30 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 Tomm007 于 2017-3-10 13:21 编辑

Horrors such as this are certainly worthy of commemoration. But these two legislative initiatives are not about remembering innocent civilian victims: they are about demonizing Japan. As such, they dishonour the victims by instrumentalizing them for crass political purposes.

首先那个英文网站肯定这是个值得纪念的事件!
好!
那他接下来认为这个提案是为了妖魔化日本,有什么根据呢?
你日本现在社会变得咋样改变不了历史,何况日本一直在侵略历史上做文章。
这应该就是安省日本侨民发力的一部分了。
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182#
发表于 2017-3-10 13:22:18 | 只看该作者
口可口非 发表于 2017-3-10 13:05
这个有点狡辩
儿子杀老子、老子杀儿子
这些事不经常发生吗

问题是中方把所有尸体一律统计为日军屠杀的数字。
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发表于 2017-3-10 13:24:00 | 只看该作者
Tomm007 发表于 2017-3-10 12:59
两回事,联系不到一起!
好像日军指挥官在旅顺还砍过自己的儿子。

旅顺大屠杀的因是中方民众先虐杀日军战俘,而后招致日军报复的果。
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发表于 2017-3-10 13:27:33 | 只看该作者
严禁回复我 发表于 2017-3-10 13:22
问题是中方把所有尸体一律统计为日军屠杀的数字。

真的么?我想看看。
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185#
发表于 2017-3-10 13:32:51 | 只看该作者
很简单,你怎么看人家那个phobia的动议,人家就怎么看你这个79法案。
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186#
发表于 2017-3-10 13:39:18 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 griffiel 于 2017-3-10 17:18 编辑
严禁回复我 发表于 2017-3-10 13:24
旅顺大屠杀的因是中方民众先虐杀日军战俘,而后招致日军报复的果。

那日军报复得有理咯?你邻居的仇家连杀一条街报复,弄你死也是优待优待滴?
倒是日军来中国者不善,睚眦早晚见血,你怎么就这么妄断中方出手在先?战后美军驻日本出了一堆问题,难道都是日本的错?你这史观,歪曲得很邪乎啊。

抛开史观何谈史实?History is mostly guessing; the rest is prejudice。
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发表于 2017-3-10 13:43:42 | 只看该作者
griffiel 发表于 2017-3-10 13:39
那日军报复得有理咯?你邻居的仇家连杀一条街报复,弄你死也是优待优待滴?
倒是日军来中国者不善,睚眦 ...

可以不顾日军侵略这个事实,还有什么不可以歪曲的!
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发表于 2017-3-10 13:44:37 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 严禁回复我 于 2017-3-10 13:59 编辑
griffiel 发表于 2017-3-10 13:39
那日军报复得有理咯?你邻居的仇家连杀一条街报复,弄你死也是优待优待滴?
倒是日军来中国者不善,睚眦 ...

Recently, two legislative bodies in Ontario have waded into a historical minefield. On Dec. 5, Liberal MPP Soo Wong introduced a private member’s bill (Bill 79) at Queen’s Park to designate Dec. 13 as Nanjing Massacre Commemoration Day. Four days later, Toronto City Councillor Jim Karygiannis asked his colleagues to “recognize the Nanjing Massacre as a crime against humanity and to honour the memory of the men, women and children who died.” Bill 79 has passed second reading and is now in committee; the Toronto City Council resolution is a done deal.

This is a mistake.

The Nanjing Massacre was truly a ghastly event. On Dec. 13, 1937, the Imperial Japanese Army entered the city of Nanjing and, in clear violation of the laws of war, committed widespread atrocities against a defenceless civilian population, killing perhaps as many as 300,000 (the actual number will never be known).

Horrors such as this are certainly worthy of commemoration. But these two legislative initiatives are not about remembering innocent civilian victims: they are about demonizing Japan. As such, they dishonour the victims by instrumentalizing them for crass political purposes.

For three years, my colleagues and I at the Centre for International Governance Innovation have been engaged in a project titled “Confidence, Trust, and Empathy in Asia-Pacific Security,” the goal of which has been to reduce the dangers of conflict in an economically vital but politically explosive part of the world by finding ways of reducing mutual misperceptions of threat. True security rests upon a foundation of trust, a special kind of confidence grounded in the knowledge that another means you no harm. This knowledge, in turn, requires empathy, or the capacity to see the world from another’s perspective. In East Asia, empathy is in short supply.

In recent years, China has fanned the flames of anti-Japanese sentiment, partly for cynical reasons (an external enemy enhances national cohesion and regime legitimacy), and partly because many Chinese honestly believe that Japan is nostalgic for its imperial, militarist past, and continues to pose a latent threat to the mainland. It is hardly surprising that they believe this: China’s government-controlled media keep telling them so. Chinese citizens are fed a steady diet of anti-Japanese propaganda in the press and in the form of late-night television dramas depicting the heroic struggle of Chinese soldiers against barbaric wartime Japanese invaders. The Nanjing Massacre figures heavily in these anti-Japanese narratives.

"Bill 79 effectively endorses and encourages misperceptions of Japan."        
In fact, long ago — and repeatedly — the government of Japan acknowledged and repented of the country’s imperial sins in Nanjing and elsewhere. While a handful of arch-nationalist revisionist cranks refuse to do so, they speak only for themselves. Sadly, the cranks get all of the attention. As a result, many people mistakenly believe that Tokyo denies that the Nanjing Massacre even took place.

Japan today is among the least militarist countries in the world. It is also a vibrant, successful, stable democracy where the rule of law and human rights prevail. Most Japanese today see their own government as the primary source of their wartime suffering, and have responded by internalizing anti-militarism. Since 1945, Japan has been a responsible and constructive member of the international community.

In short: Japan has learned from, and has moved beyond, its imperial past. It is hardly a country worth demonizing.

Bill 79 and Toronto City Council’s efforts to single out the Nanjing Massacre for commemoration effectively endorse and encourage misperceptions of Japan. As a result, they work against, not for, stability in East Asia. This is not the Canadian way. Canadians are peacemakers and bridge-builders, not pawns in others’ domestic and geopolitical games. Canadians promote empathy; they do not work to undermine it.

One finds ample evidence of lack of empathy in Japan as well, of course, where China’s anti-Japanese propaganda is commonly seen as part of a larger geopolitical project to rebuild a hegemonic Middle Kingdom order that would reduce smaller neighbouring countries to vassals or tributaries. This is an unfounded fear. China has enough trouble managing its own domestic challenges. Above all, China wants peace, prosperity, international respect, and a voice in regional and global governance commensurate with its size and economic weight.

Japan has learned from, and has moved beyond, its imperial past.

There are hyper-nationalist Chinese cranks, too, of course, and nervous Japanese can be forgiven for overestimating their importance, just as Chinese overestimate the importance of Japanese cranks. But while the Japanese commonly overestimate the Chinese “threat,” they do not respond by demonizing China. There are no calls for recognizing “Great Leap Forward Day” or “Cultural Revolution Day,” even though the death toll in both cases dwarfed that of Nanjing.

There are additional reasons to oppose Bill 79 and bemoan the Toronto City Council resolution:

first, they threaten to undermine harmony here at home. More than 100,000 Ontarians have roots in Japan, and more than 700,000 have roots in China. Nothing good can come from fanning the flames of ethnic hatred here — except, perhaps, for cynical vote-counting politicians.

Second, these measures are dangerous precedents. By taking sides in one case, Queen’s Park would invite — and Toronto City Council already has invited — others to do the same. Ontario in general, and Toronto in particular, have more diverse populations than anywhere else in the world. There are not enough days on the calendar to commemorate every historical atrocity that drives an ethno-nationalist grievance.

There are occasions, of course, when it is appropriate for outsiders to recognize historical atrocities: for example, when the responsible state itself fails to do so. At present, for example, 29 countries and 49 of 50 U.S. states have formally recognized the Armenian Genocide. International recognition in this case both raises awareness and holds the Turkish government’s feet to the moral fire. But what is in want of awareness in East Asia is not the Nanjing Massacre, but Japan’s repentance and the lessons it has learned.

Let us hope that the Ontario legislature sees the wisdom of avoiding this particular minefield before more damage is done. No one could possibly object to commemorating the innocent victims of war; but if we are to do so, let us make the commemoration inclusive, in true Canadian fashion, rather than divisive.
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发表于 2017-3-10 13:49:02 | 只看该作者
严禁回复我 发表于 2017-3-10 13:44
Recently, two legislative bodies in Ontario have waded into a historical minefield. On Dec. 5, Libe ...

Horrors such as this are certainly worthy of commemoration.

也肯定是值得纪念的!好。
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发表于 2017-3-10 13:50:44 | 只看该作者
严禁回复我 发表于 2017-3-10 13:44
Recently, two legislative bodies in Ontario have waded into a historical minefield. On Dec. 5, Libe ...

But these two legislative initiatives are not about remembering innocent civilian victims: they are about demonizing Japan. As such, they dishonour the victims by instrumentalizing them for crass political purposes.

根据什么这么说?
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191#
发表于 2017-3-10 13:59:47 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 严禁回复我 于 2017-3-13 17:45 编辑

《反对签名的理由》


我是首先基于要严肃对待历史事件的态度而反对这种签名活动的,当然还有其它因素,现归纳一下:

1,这议题与省议员无关,浪费纳税人税款,属狗抓耗子;

2,这是为中日目前的各种争议站台,而加国议会不应卷入这种国际历史争议事件,否则会制造与日本的裂痕;

3,这个历史事件的确有争议而非板上钉钉。我不是随意这样说,这是我多年研究的结论,一开始我也被党妈洗脑,完全接受中方说法;但随着研究的深入,我发现日方的反驳更有道理,而中方却有多处造假虚构,结论太草率,没说服力。所以,我们普通不明真相的吃瓜群众对此争议事件要保持中立,第三国更要保持中立,不要随意接受任何一方的历史结论,让历史学家继续研究去吧。

4,会使生活在加国多元文化的中日移民产生对立情绪,破坏和谐的生活,甚至会引发进一步的对立对抗甚至仇恨,也许会引发少量种族仇恨犯罪活动(尤其是这帮无知而冲动的小留们)。

5,这种签名没有我党插手其中那是不可能的,你看看去年此新闻在国内的报道及网友的留言和中国政府的兴奋态度和关注程度,显然,我党是要借外国的表态来给自己在中日较量中获得有利的资源,以期在与日方对抗中拔得头筹,占据国际舆论上风。我党海外政府机构不支持不资助不帮忙那是不可能的。大家不要被中共的黑手操纵玩弄。

6,仔细研究过去150年的中日历史关系(也包括中外关系),不得不说,许多灾祸都是我们先惹起,然后再招致对方猛烈反击或惩罚,别以为都是别人野蛮故意上门欺负你中国,实际上是中国先在别人嘴里种苦瓜,别人只不过把几十倍的苦瓜再强行塞在你嘴里让你尝尝苦果而已。

7,我是加拿大人,我希望加方保持中立,不参与别国之间的历史事件纠纷,更不要干涉中国内政。

8,希望生活在加拿大多元文化里的各族裔和谐共处,谁也不要主动挑事,不应把原居地两国的历史仇怨复制到这片和平美丽的土地上。在这里,不分种族,不计较历史,大家都是兄弟姐妹,没有新仇旧恨。反思战争,忘掉私怨;否则,这民族与民族之间历史上的仇杀事件在多元文化的加拿大永远也纪念不完。

9,化干戈为玉帛,相逢一笑泯恩仇,看看日美、日英、英美、德美、德法之间对待历史恩怨的大度,在看看中韩日三国间,一对比,就看出东西方文明真的不在一个层次上。


记住:德国从未向任何被侵略国道过歉,被侵略国也无一国要求德国道歉。纽伦堡法庭的大门一关闭,历史就翻过了沉重的一页,一切重新开始;否则,冤冤相报何时了?

问问自己,为何中国总是招灾惹祸?义和团、红卫兵、粪青都是这种招灾的爱国贼,这种签名活动所鼓动的狭隘民族主义情绪与当年给中国招灾惹祸的义和团并无本质区别。

别让仇恨的情绪冲昏了理智。历史真相并非如党妈教科书所写。先推荐一本麦天枢写的历史纪实文学作品《昨天》,你看看鸦片战争到底是怎么回事,是我们100%占理吗?这场战争真的是英方一味追求的吗?还是中方愚昧无知而惹祸招徕的?

俗话说一个巴掌拍不响,你知道通州事件后日本国内的报道、民众的反应和日本政府高层决心要严惩中国的坚强意志和决心吗?去看看当年的新闻报道档案吧。把通州换成多伦多,如果加拿大人如此残酷冷血屠杀华侨而导致中加战事升级,双方开战,中国进出加国,占领多伦多后解放军满怀仇恨为死难的同胞报仇而杀戮多伦多平民,你意如何?
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192#
发表于 2017-3-10 14:35:59 | 只看该作者
kefei 发表于 2017-3-10 14:33
南京大屠杀是一个史实, 还有万人坑遗址呢, 这个搬不来。

问题的关键在于日本否认历史, 而人类的文明就是 ...

我一见你就笑!你那夸夸其谈太美妙!
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193#
发表于 2017-3-10 14:40:15 | 只看该作者
kefei 发表于 2017-3-10 14:37
从我这儿学到一句话就可以了, 何必天天挂嘴边。

你的出现使51网友充满快乐!谢谢你这不学无术的狭隘民族主义分子的倾情演出!
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发表于 2017-3-10 15:49:27 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 严禁回复我 于 2017-3-10 15:51 编辑
kefei 发表于 2017-3-10 14:58
你可以有你强盗逻辑, 我也不想改变你, 狗改不了吃屎的。。。。但是史实就是史实。 ...

很好,同意。史实就是史实,不以撒谎成性的汉民族的意志为转移的。
可我还是忍不住一见你就笑!天真幼稚的孩子都可爱,再像模像样地说点大人话是很令人齿冷的。
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195#
发表于 2017-3-10 17:29:52 | 只看该作者
严禁回复我 发表于 2017-3-10 13:59
这英文内容基本就是我的观点呀!我再贴一遍:

1、你说了不算。
2、你想太多了。
3、人道面前无中立。
4、键盘侠最大的危害是糟蹋键盘。
5、中日还需要较量吗?
6、不请自来,倒打一耙,是为贼。
7、中国人怀念中国人,跟汉奸无关。
8、你再一次想太多了。
9、笑你妹。

记住:义和团+龚半伦=0
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