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男子保卫女友母亲刺伤入室贼或被判14年

 
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-8-4 10:45:53 | 只看该作者
看来很多人还是按大陆的思维来看问题,我觉得应该冷静的看这个case的结果,然后从中领悟西人的思维方式,提高自己在加拿大的生存能力,哈哈
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发表于 2011-8-4 10:51:08 | 只看该作者

男子保卫女友母亲刺伤入室贼或被判14年

本帖最后由 法官 于 2011-8-4 11:53 编辑
看来很多人还是按大陆的思维来看问题,我觉得应该冷静的看这个case的结果,然后从中领悟西人的思维方式,提高自己在加拿大的生存能力,哈哈
loveRwmtgb 发表于 2011-8-4 11:45


什么西人的思维方式, 给罪犯开脱的借口. 陈旺案, 大部分西人不是也支持陈旺的做法? 这次是西人刺伤入室贼, 不是大陆的思维了吧?
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发表于 2011-8-4 11:22:38 | 只看该作者
其实中国人的法律概念是单向的。--义愤来自这里。

反例:
1.《沙家浜》沙奶奶的儿子沙三龙到刁老财家讲理,刁老财诬告:“夜入民宅,非偷即抢!”,被抓,后来死在牢里;
2.《阿诗玛》阿黑夜闯财主家八角楼救阿诗玛, 被暗算。

是否防卫过当,要看具体情况,不是义愤和常识可以判决的。
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发表于 2011-8-4 11:26:24 | 只看该作者
什么西人的思维方式, 给罪犯开脱的借口. 陈旺案, 大部分西人不是也支持陈旺的做法? 这次是西人刺伤入室贼, 不是大陆的思维了吧?
法官 发表于 2011-8-4 11:51 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

难得你为大陆人辩护。就是西人刺伤入室贼,这西人肯定也是受过中共多年的洗脑吧!另外这民猪国家的警察也是恶警啊,老百姓对他们也只能乖乖的,任他们摆布了。
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发表于 2011-8-4 11:33:09 | 只看该作者

男子保卫女友母亲刺伤入室贼或被判14年

本帖最后由 法官 于 2011-8-4 12:37 编辑
难得你为大陆人辩护。就是西人刺伤入室贼,这西人肯定也是受过中共多年的洗脑吧!另外这民猪国家的警察也是恶警啊,老百姓对他们也只能乖乖的,任他们摆布了。
aaazzz 发表于 2011-8-4 12:26


什么都能跟中共拉上关系, 真有你的. 从陈旺到这个在女友家保护私有财产不受侵犯被控的西人, 反映了加拿大法律需要改变了, 不能再一味的保护宽容罪犯和严厉限制老百姓保护私有财产的自卫权了.

之前被害的是陈旺, 现在是这个西人, 明天可能就是你我. 政客把保护宽容罪犯作为拉选票的手段是极不道德的.
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发表于 2011-8-4 11:38:25 | 只看该作者
不明白,以前听说过如果不小心进入他人的院子,遭人枪杀都有可能呢。 也就是说如果陌生人未经许可进入家里,杀了他都不犯法?
Tiego 发表于 2011-8-4 10:54 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


说的是米国吧。
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发表于 2011-8-4 11:38:58 | 只看该作者
说的是米国吧。
苍苍 发表于 2011-8-4 12:38


米国这么规定是对的.
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发表于 2011-8-4 11:43:52 | 只看该作者
把那负责此案的警察裁了先。
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发表于 2011-8-4 11:48:33 | 只看该作者
把那负责此案的警察裁了先。
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发表于 2011-8-4 11:49:30 | 只看该作者
把那负责此案的警察裁了先。
zllenwei 发表于 2011-8-4 12:43


先在媒体上公布负责此案的警察姓名和分局吧, 福特给市府减肥时多加考虑, 这几个警察是在保护罪犯还是纳税人?
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发表于 2011-8-4 11:49:39 | 只看该作者
把那负责此案的警察裁了先。
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发表于 2011-8-4 11:51:21 | 只看该作者
把那负责此案的警察裁了先。
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发表于 2011-8-4 12:03:56 | 只看该作者
TORONTO — A Toronto man escorting his girlfriend to her home Sunday night discovered signs of entry to her house and, fearing for the woman's mother sleeping inside, searched for intruders. A man was found hiding, Toronto police said. An ensuing struggle left the intruder bleeding from stab wounds.


As frightening as the incident was, it is the charging of the boyfriend with aggravated assault, punishable by 14 years in prison, that makes the case stand out in a clutter of urban crime.


It is the latest flashpoint in the debate over self-defence and protection of property after a number of high-profile cases across Canada brought a clamour for clarity and change.


Defence lawyers said on Tuesday it's the sort of case that a defendant — the 28-year-old man charged with the stabbing — would want to be decided by a jury, where citizens can imagine themselves in a similar circumstance and ponder what they might do.


"You can defend your property, you can defend persons in your charge and you can defend yourself. In this case he can make an argument to all three, but he has to use proportional force," said Gordon Dykstra, a criminal defence attorney in Abbotsford, B.C.


"I think if he gets in front of a jury and he's halfway presentable, if he doesn't have a criminal record and makes a good case for what happened, a jury will acquit him."


But Toronto police suggest this might not be a perfect example for champions of self-defence rights.


"The man was charged because it is alleged the stabbing was excessive," said Const. Tony Vella. "It is alleged that he stabbed the man a number of times. He's fortunate to be alive."


Key to the case is that the multiple stab wounds were inflicted both inside the home and outside, Vella said, suggesting the occupants might have been able to close the door once he was outside and call police.


The scene of the incident was Parson Court, a pleasant street in west Toronto filled with large homes. The 32-year-old man who was stabbed was charged with break and enter.


Neither accused could be reached for comment.


Recent self-defence cases have not gone well for prosecutors.


Last month, Lawrence Manzer, of Burton, N.B., had a mistrial declared in charges stemming from a confrontation with intruders on his neighbour's property. Sloppy paperwork was cited as the reason.


The same month Kim Walker, a Yorkton, Sask., welder, was sentenced to eight years after a jury declined to find him guilty of murder for killing his daughter's boyfriend whom he deemed to be destroying his drug-addicted 16-year-old daughter. He was found guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter.


In May, Joseph Singleton, 46, a farmer in Taber, Alta., had his charges — for assault with a weapon and assault causing bodily harm, after he wounded a man who had just burgled his house with the blunt end of a hatchet — referred to an alternative measures program.


In March, prosecutors dropped gun charges against Ian Thomson, 53, of Port Colborne, Ont., who shot at three masked men caught firebombing his home while one yelled: "Are you ready to die?" The Crown said there was no reasonable prospect of conviction.


And last October, David Chen, a Toronto grocer in Chinatown became a celebrity when he was acquitted of charges after he tied up a repeat shoplifter in a citizen's arrest.


Peter Lindsay, who represented Chen, said the public is galvanized by such stories.


"The courts have repeatedly said the self-defence sections of the Criminal Code are incredibly complicated. The provisions are really complex and are in need of an overhaul to simplify them," said Lindsay.


"For the public to have confidence in the system, it is important for the system to be sympathetic to the victims of crime and understand to some degree who is the good guy and who is the bad guy.


"But that has to be balanced. You don't have a right to just attack someone because they broke into your house. This is not the U.S.A. where your home is your castle and you have carte blanche once an intruder is inside your house."


Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced changes to the Criminal Code that would broaden the citizen's arrest and self-defence laws but the amendments died with the dissolution of Parliament prior to the May election.


The bill will again be put forward this fall.


"We do intend to reintroduce that change this fall and get it passed as soon as possible," said Andrew Bernardo, spokesman for Justice Minister Rob Nicholson.


National Post


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发表于 2011-8-4 12:15:45 | 只看该作者
什么都能跟中共拉上关系, 真有你的. 从陈旺到这个在女友家保护私有财产不受侵犯被控的西人, 反映了加拿大法律需要改变了, 不能再一味的保护宽容罪犯和严厉限制老百姓保护私有财产的自卫权了.

之前被害的是陈旺, 现在是这个西人, 明天可能就是你我. 政客把保护宽容罪犯作为拉选票的手段是极不道德的.
法官 发表于 2011-8-4 12:33



    Let's vote the liberals out of Ontario!
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发表于 2011-8-4 12:16:49 | 只看该作者
什么都能跟中共拉上关系, 真有你的. 从陈旺到这个在女友家保护私有财产不受侵犯被控的西人, 反映了加拿大法律需要改变了, 不能再一味的保护宽容罪犯和严厉限制老百姓保护私有财产的自卫权了.

之前被害的是陈旺, 现在是这个西人, 明天可能就是你我. 政客把保护宽容罪犯作为拉选票的手段是极不道德的.
法官 发表于 2011-8-4 12:33



    Let's vote the liberals out of Ontario!
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