两孙子弄出噪音遭投诉：挨罚被迫卖房

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PJJ 发表于 2011-2-12 01:48 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

应告的不是管理公司，而是楼上的人家不懂人权，侵害了楼下人家的人权。你弄出噪音还不赶快铺厚地毯，而是继续骚扰人家。

听风观云赏月

不可思议，更孩子较劲，不容易呀
三角 发表于 2011-2-11 22:54 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

最好，你住他家楼下。

听风观云赏月

呵呵，就你有孩子？那世界可就悲惨了。

请问你上过学吗，一点基本逻辑都没有。也别试图误导别人，这里没有人和孩子过不去，大家在说的是不懂得教育孩子的大人，你把你孩子对号入座怪不了别人。

你这样的我见多了。自己的孩子无论怎么做都袒护，如果是别人孩子骚扰了你，恐怕就是另一幅嘴脸了。
61celeste 发表于 2011-2-11 23:53 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

严重同意。

andrewwan

I am one of three (yes, that’s three) unit owners who have complained about your noise. How dare you complain about condo management being unfair to you? Day and night, someone in your unit is dropping things onto the floor and bouncing things across the floor. We hear running, jumping and banging, well past midnight and often up to 1am and many times even later. Don't claim that you are asleep when we hear the noise because we have actually listened to the noise from outside your door and it is awful. Many times we end up with very little sleep because of your inconsiderate noise, and we suffer horribly the next day trying to stay awake at work. You have received noise complaints about a year ago, and I, personally myself, have complained to security and the property management again and again and again (and so have the other two unit owners), and you simply ignore our warnings. As I type this, someone in your unit is dropping something hard onto the floor above the bedrooms. You guys are inconsiderate and rude and simply don't care how much you ruin our lives. Here is the noise in the last few minutes from your unit:

11:56pm - loud banging in area outside the bedrooms

12:05am - very loud clacking directly above middle bedroom

12:13am - loud banging

12:19am - banging above bedrooms

We (meaning all three unit owners) have suffered horribly from your nonstop noise, so don't claim that you are innocent. The noise is so bad that one of your neighbors may have developed depression from the constant disruption to everything she does. We are unable to live in our units any longer because of your noise and sometimes we have to find another place to sleep. You were instructed to install proper carpets by management, but you have refused. As you are aware, we are proceeding thru the legal process now and, yes, it will cost you dearly when we are finished. Its unfortunate that you choose this option. Since you insist on dropping things onto the floor all day long (or letting you children toss things onto the floor), and insist on letting your children run and jump all day, and you refuse to install proper carpets, we have no choice but to continue with the legal process.

Its your decision…either install proper carpets or pay the legal fees (and still be forced to install carpets in the end), but don't cry about it, because you are not the victim you profess to be. We are the victims and we have suffered long enough

听风观云赏月

I am one of three (yes, that’s three) unit owners who have complained about your noise. How dare you complain about condo management being unfair to you? Day and night, someone in your unit is dropping things onto the floor and bouncing things across the floor. We hear running, jumping and banging, well past midnight and often up to 1am and many times even later. Don't claim that you are asleep when we hear the noise because we have actually listened to the noise from outside your door and it is awful. Many times we end up with very little sleep because of your inconsiderate noise, and we suffer horribly the next day trying to stay awake at work. You have received noise complaints about a year ago, and I, personally myself, have complained to security and the property management again and again and again (and so have the other two unit owners), and you simply ignore our warnings. As I type this, someone in your unit is dropping something hard onto the floor above the bedrooms. You guys are inconsiderate and rude and simply don't care how much you ruin our lives. Here is the noise in the last few minutes from your unit:

11:56pm - loud banging in area outside the bedrooms

12:05am - very loud clacking directly above middle bedroom

12:13am - loud banging

12:19am - banging above bedrooms

We (meaning all three unit owners) have suffered horribly from your nonstop noise, so don't claim that you are innocent. The noise is so bad that one of your neighbors may have developed depression from the constant disruption to everything she does. We are unable to live in our units any longer because of your noise and sometimes we have to find another place to sleep. You were instructed to install proper carpets by management, but you have refused. As you are aware, we are proceeding thru the legal process now and, yes, it will cost you dearly when we are finished. Its unfortunate that you choose this option. Since you insist on dropping things onto the floor all day long (or letting you children toss things onto the floor), and insist on letting your children run and jump all day, and you refuse to install proper carpets, we have no choice but to continue with the legal process.

Its your decision…either install proper carpets or pay the legal fees (and still be forced to install carpets in the end), but don't cry about it, because you are not the victim you profess to be. We are the victims and we have suffered long enough
andrewwan 发表于 2011-2-13 00:36 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

   please complaining to management office again, once if you sale your property, could you please ask the fee from them, because you lost your money from them, this upstair is awful. Could you write a letter to www.51.ca and discase the problem, see what will hapen.

听风观云赏月

How can you stand this poor situation, this is the matter of adult, not their children, they might using children for excuse. This uncivilized people sould be educated by money. they are ruined other people's life. Why don't they install the thick carpet then continued to ruin other people's life, they don't know human right. The quiet joyful inveroment is the owner's right.

KK 123

小孩走路都不行，如果小孩要学钢琴怎么办啊

听风观云赏月

回复 71# 生蛇
无论谁做什么事，影响到他人就不行。你铺上厚地毯，不就行了吗？你的意思就是我行我素，自我自私，不要拿小孩作借口，这根本就是大人的罪！还恬不知耻地求可怜。罪孽阿！弱智！愚蠢！请滚到不打扰人的地方。

Apple001

在加拿大, 公管物业非常普遍. 因为共用某些结构设施和空间, 除产权外, 在共用结构设施和空间的使用方法和范围上也存在分割和共享的协议, 这些在购买公管物业的法律文件中已经订立. 通常, 在协议中对居住行为有限制条款, 如养宠物, 及在规定时间对噪音源的限制. 一般情况下, 邻居投诉首先应通知噪音源业主或住户, 然后通过物业管理公司书面通知并调解. 最后才是法律诉讼.

在规定时间发出某些超过标准的噪音可能影响周围环境和邻居的正常生活, 属于侵犯隐私和居住人权. 即使是独立屋, 发出超标噪音, 如半夜弹奏乐器, 邻居也可以投诉.

白大山

:no::thinking:

allpersonnel

多伦多华人维修服务的骗子 是不少. 就说汽车维修吧，也许大家都知道《东风汽修》，老板姓汪，平时看不出什么，你问他有关汽车方面的事情，他也积极回答，有些可修可不修的东西他也会征求你的意见。但是，他这个人有个特点，就是专门宰熟客。当你的车不能开，被拖到他那里的时候，他会毫不留情的宰你一刀。半年前，我有个朋友，汽车发电机坏了，也就是不充电了，换个发电机就可以了，车被拖到他那里。 他的报价是：人工费290加元，因为是熟人收260，配件230另加税，即270加元，合计530加元。配件是普通配件，如果是原厂的要400多。朋友以为是熟人，没说什么就同意了。后来朋友又咨询了其他一些汽修，报价基本上在200—240加元，包括人工和配件。看来老汪宰人真够狠的，翻一倍还多。希望网友多注意维修骗子。

听风观云赏月

上海人就是肏蛋。损人利己。哪里有上海人，哪里就有烦忧。

jaton

FUCKING 上海B。

加加减减

吴女士与儿子、女儿、两个孙子一起住一个三居室的condo？

这么拥挤的空间，住了至少五个人（还没算上儿女的配偶呢），其中包括两个那么小的男孩子，动静不会小的，楼下有意见太正常了。所以吴女士不要觉得自己很冤枉，您很可能确实妨碍了别人，而且在人家的再三抗议下还没有改善，您楼下的邻居日子可能比您还难过呢。

建议解决方案：

第一，找到楼下邻居真诚道歉，别强调任何客观理由，这是你早就该做的，否则也不至于闹的这么僵。人心都是肉长的，你有诚意，人家自然也会适当让步。

第二，马上铺地毯。可以找便宜一点的，花不了多少钱。

第三，也是最重要的，加强对小孙子的教育。孩子虽然小，但也要告诉他们，楼下还有别人住，不能在屋里乱跑乱跳影响别人。孩子的可塑性很强，只要你想教育，他们就完全能做到。我朋友有住condo的，人家的孩子就很规矩，从不吵闹喧哗，都是大人教得好。遗憾的是，很多祖父母溺爱孙子，孩子太没有规矩了。

不建议您卖房子。经济上太不划算，有那钱给地产经纪当经纪费，铺地毯绰绰有余。而且，如果您的小孙子还那么吵闹，就算搬到别处，人家还会投诉或者报警，您难道总搬家不成？

所以，关键是要改善自己的不当言行，教育好孩子，铺地毯防噪音，让人家感到您的诚意，这点事情不难解决的。当然，该交的罚款还得交，权当学费了，英语差不是拒付的理由。祝您好运！
61celeste 发表于 2011-2-10 14:12 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

说的太对了！我们很多华人，住在公寓楼里，总是搞出很多噪音，常常令楼下的人很难受，可是自己还不觉得，起初楼下的上来提意见，还态度很恶劣的、理直气壮的跟人家“理论”。我以前也深受其害！
估计这些人，从小父母就没教育过他们凡事不要只考虑自己快活，自己舒服的时候不要影响别人休息。这是起码的家教！做人起码应有的教养！而且，小孩子如果教育的好，他们长大后，良好的教养也会使他们自己受益的。
所以，别抱怨了，还是自己反省反省，正视自己的错误吧，不要那么固执的固守自己的一些恶习！
我们很多华人都是读过书的人，不能象一些印巴垃圾那样走到哪都让人讨厌！