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世界大战的结果

 
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-30 19:23:53 | 只看该作者
弱弱问一句:义工指些什么人?



我也是义工,为一个慈善组织工作,为国内的孤儿服务。昨晚才干到十一点多。
三和居士 发表于 2010-11-30 19:18


和您一样的义工,不过服务对象不同。维基百科是提供知识,维基解密的义工是提供政客和富豪们的黑幕。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-30 19:56:24 | 只看该作者
回复 15# 三和居士

维基解密:朱利安阿桑格指责,奥巴马试图压制新闻自由
WikiLeaks: Julian Assange accuses Barack Obama of trying to stifle press freedom
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ ... ;utm_medium=twitter
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-30 20:04:09 | 只看该作者
回复 3# 从来就没救世主

朱利安阿桑格利用信息技术来“消灭这种无形政府”
Julian Assange and the Computer Conspiracy; “To destroy this invisible government”
http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/ ... overnment%E2%80%9D/
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发表于 2010-11-30 20:10:36 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 野驰 于 2010-11-30 20:22 编辑
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朱利安阿桑格利用信息技术来“消灭这种无形政府”
玩家枫子 发表于 2010-11-30 20:04


小刚同志代表亚洲正告你这种妄谈消灭天朝政府的罪犯,小心天朝赏你一个洗脸死。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-30 20:13:19 | 只看该作者
小刚同志代表亚洲正告你这种妄谈消灭天朝政府的罪犯,小心天朝赏你一个洗脸死。
野驰 发表于 2010-11-30 20:10


维基解密的顾问团成员有王丹等中国人,不用俺操心。 
阿桑格组成一个咨询委员会,菲利普亚当斯,王丹,希杰Hinke,本劳里,扎西朗杰Khamsitsang,萧强,奇科惠特克和王有才。[16]
listed an advisory board comprising Assange, Phillip Adams, Wang Dan, C. J. Hinke, Ben Laurie, Tashi Namgyal Khamsitsang, Xiao Qiang, Chico Whitaker and Wang Youcai.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks
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发表于 2010-11-30 20:16:04 | 只看该作者
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三次世界大战,在信息社会里进行,用地是信息, 没用刀枪,符合中立自信。 

维基解密:朱利安阿桑格指责,奥巴马试图压制新闻自由
WikiLeaks: Julian Assange accuses Barack Obama of trying to stifle press freedom
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ ... ;utm_medium=twitter


玩家枫子 发表于 2010-11-30 17:17


没用刀枪,只能说是非暴力。是否符合中立自信那可不一定。
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发表于 2010-11-30 20:20:01 | 只看该作者
和您一样的义工,不过服务对象不同。维基百科是提供知识,维基解密的义工是提供政客和富豪们的黑幕。
玩家枫子 发表于 2010-11-30 19:23


提供政客和富豪们的黑幕,那可不是中立的做法。
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发表于 2010-11-30 20:20:49 | 只看该作者
维基解密的顾问团成员有王丹等中国人,不用俺操心。 
阿桑格组成一个咨询委员会,菲利普亚当斯,王丹,希杰Hinke,本劳里,扎西朗杰Khamsitsang,萧强,奇科惠特克和王有才。[16]
listed an advisory board comprising Assange, Phillip Adams, Wang Dan, C. J. Hinke, Ben Laurie, Tashi Namgyal Khamsitsang, Xiao Qiang, Chico Whitaker and Wang Youcai.[16]
玩家枫子 发表于 2010-11-30 20:13



小刚同志代表亚洲指出我天朝威武给你一百个胆你也不敢妄谈消灭政府,美帝无能,那些高谈消灭政府只能在资本主义社会那里喘气哼哼。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-30 20:27:01 | 只看该作者
没用刀枪,只能说是非暴力。是否符合中立自信那可不一定。
East Sun 发表于 2010-11-30 20:16


维基解密和维基百科都是事实真相,你自己判断。
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发表于 2010-11-30 20:29:06 | 只看该作者
维基解密和维基百科都是事实真相,你自己判断。
玩家枫子 发表于 2010-11-30 20:27


小刚同志代表亚洲表示真相是天朝的宣传部,不要信谣传谣,严禁翻墙。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-30 20:34:33 | 只看该作者
提供政客和富豪们的黑幕,那可不是中立的做法。
East Sun 发表于 2010-11-30 20:20


俺缴税给政客们花,俺给富豪当消费者,维基解密把黑幕提供给俺,俺咋不中立自信? 
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-30 20:36:51 | 只看该作者
回复 23# 野驰

中共集团公司是美帝的最大债主,他们都是政商合一的政客们。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-30 20:49:49 | 只看该作者
回复 25# 野驰

钱宣部的权威ECONOMIST也为维基解密辩护。
In defence of WikiLeaks

Nov 29th 2010, 23:27 by W.W. | IOWA CITY


WHILE fascinating in their own right, these WikiLeaks document dumps are also fascinating in the way they draw out fairly fundamental intuitions about the rights and privileges of the American state. Earlier today I attempted to draw up a taxonomy of different ideological/character types elicited by WikiLeaks, but quickly became mired in the complexity of it all. Rather than diagnose the world, I'll just diagnose myself in contrast to my colleague.

In this morning's post, my worldly co-blogger characterises the content of the tens of thousands classified diplomatic cables as mere "gossip", and maintains "that grabbing as many diplomatic cables as you can get your hands on and making them public is not a socially worthy activity". I strongly disagree.

Greg Mitchell's catalogue of reactions to the leaked cables is a trove of substantive information. For example, drawing on the documents made available by WikiLeaks, the ACLU reports that the Bush administration "pressured Germany not to prosecute CIA officers responsible for the kidnapping, extraordinary rendition and torture of German national Khaled El-Masri", a terrorism suspect dumped in Albania once the CIA determined it had nabbed a nobody. I consider kidnapping and torture serious crimes, and I think it's interesting indeed if the United States government applied pressure to foreign governments to ensure complicity in the cover-up of it agents' abuses. In any case, I don't consider this gossip.

I think we all understand that the work of even the most decent governments is made more difficult when they cannot be sure their communications will be read by those for whom they were not intended. That said, there is no reason to assume that the United States government is always up to good. To get at the value of WikiLeaks, I think it's important to distinguish between the government—the temporary, elected authors of national policy—and the state—the permanent bureaucratic and military apparatus superficially but not fully controlled by the reigning government. The careerists scattered about the world in America's intelligence agencies, military, and consular offices largely operate behind a veil of secrecy executing policy which is itself largely secret. American citizens mostly have no idea what they are doing, or whether what they are doing is working out well. The actually-existing structure and strategy of the American empire remains a near-total mystery to those who foot the bill and whose children fight its wars. And that is the way the elite of America's unelected permanent state, perhaps the most powerful class of people on Earth, like it.

As Scott Shane, the New York Times' national security reporter, puts it: "American taxpayers, American citizens pay for all these diplomatic operations overseas and you know, it is not a bad thing when Americans actually have a better understanding of those negotiations". Mr Shane goes on to suggest that

    Perhaps if we had had more information on these secret internal deliberations of governments prior to the invasion of Iraq in 2003, we would have had a better understanding of the quality of the evidence that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

I'd say providing that information certainly would have been a socially worthy activity, even if it came as part of a more-or-less indiscriminate dump of illegally obtained documents. I'm glad to see that the quality of discussion over possible US efforts to stymie Iran's nuclear ambitions has already become more sophisticated and, well, better-informed due to the information provided by WikiLeaks.  

If secrecy is necessary for national security and effective diplomacy, it is also inevitable that the prerogative of secrecy will be used to hide the misdeeds of the permanent state and its privileged agents. I suspect that there is no scheme of government oversight that will not eventually come under the indirect control of the generals, spies, and foreign-service officers it is meant to oversee. Organisations such as WikiLeaks, which are philosophically opposed to state secrecy and which operate as much as is possible outside the global nation-state system, may be the best we can hope for in the way of promoting the climate of transparency and accountability necessary for authentically liberal democracy. Some folks ask, "Who elected Julian Assange?" The answer is nobody did, which is, ironically, why WikiLeaks is able to improve the quality of our democracy. Of course, those jealously protective of the privileges of unaccountable state power will tell us that people will die if we can read their email, but so what? Different people, maybe more people, will die if we can't.
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-30 21:40:55 | 只看该作者
Wikileaks的回避黑客,服务器转移到亚马逊
Wikileaks evades hackers with shift to Amazon
http://www.guardian.co.uk/techno ... aks-amazon-ec2-ddos
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发表于 2010-12-1 09:08:57 | 只看该作者
俺缴税给政客们花,俺给富豪当消费者,维基解密把黑幕提供给俺,俺咋不中立自信? 
玩家枫子 发表于 2010-11-30 20:34


“维基解密把黑幕提供给俺”:

那你又准备干什么?
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