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加国政坛就像一局麻将:换庄不如调庄

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发表于 2008-12-4 14:47:44 | 只看该作者
反对党串通倒阁是合法政治,
哈珀要求暂时休会是合法要求,
庄美揩同意休会是她的合法权利,
反对党继续串通下去也是合法的,
选民骂街游行抗议请愿请便。

唯一不解的是,怎么会有人身在民主社会,
却羡慕没有民主呢?不习惯吗?

最新进展和华人投票统计:

庄美楷同意国会休会 联合政府暂成泡影(图)
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发表于 2008-12-4 14:56:45 | 只看该作者
这贴要顶
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发表于 2008-12-4 15:00:23 | 只看该作者
楼上[了然]说得好,一切都在宪法框架里进行,华人兄弟姐妹们急什么急,或参与或旁观都行,天塌不下来。

请大家听听音乐,或许会更懂得享受加拿大的生活。

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发表于 2008-12-4 15:25:16 | 只看该作者
问题是喜欢“所谓的西方民主”的人远比喜欢“所谓的东方的民主集中制”的人多,而且越来越多。
如果你不喜欢“所谓的西方民主”也可以有多个选择。
1)回中国享受“所谓的东方的民主XXX”。
2)继续忍受水深火热的“所谓的西方民主”,同时继续在这里唧唧歪歪喊口号。
3)提出一个更高明的办法,然后劝所有加拿大人接受。这里没有人会判你“煽动颠覆国家政权罪”


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发表于 2008-12-4 15:27:06 | 只看该作者
没有人说民主自由是不合法的,只是不可以打着民主自由的旗号进行胡闹,如果胡闹也是合法的,那就说明这个法是有缺陷的,需要完善。以目前严峻的经济形势还要搞出这么多是非来,的确让人寒心。建议专家对此进行讨论。
难道非要折腾到有一天让选民们饿着肚子上街游行示威才算是民主的极致吗?
看到庄美楷的选择,既没换庄也没调庄,维持目前局势不变,还算是明智的。可是下一次怎么办?难道要我们永远的把最终的希望寄托在英女王任命的庄美楷、李美楷们手中,而不是我们这些握有选票的选民手中?
这种民主自由不要也罢!
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发表于 2008-12-4 15:33:21 | 只看该作者
没有人说民主自由是不合法的,只是不可以打着民主自由的旗号进行胡闹,如果胡闹也是合法的,那就说明这个法是有缺陷的,需要完善。以目前严峻的经济形势还要搞出这么多是非来,的确让人寒心。建议专家对此进行讨论。
难道非要折腾到有一天让选民们饿着肚子上街游行示威才算是民主的极致吗?
看到庄美楷的选择,既没换庄也没调庄,维持目前局势不变,还算是明智的。可是下一次怎么办?难道要我们永远的把最终的希望寄托在英女王任命的庄美楷、李美楷们手中,而不是我们这些握有选票的选民手中?
这种民主自由不要也罢!


让一个花瓶总督有权决定我们大家的命运的本身就说明这个宪法制度有很大的问题。还好,她身边还有些宪法专家。
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22#
发表于 2008-12-4 15:37:14 | 只看该作者
丘吉尔说过:民主是最坏的制度,除了不断拿来尝试过的其它制度之外。
在这个坛子里,不断看到有人诅咒这“万恶”的民主制度,可是回眸20世纪,让我们看看,究竟是专制制度带给人类的危害更大还是民主制度带给人类的更大呢?
只是非常奇怪的是,很多人在这享受着民主制度,确咬牙切齿地痛恨着民主制度,其实是很可怜的一群人。我说这话 是有根据的,能上51网站的,国内一般平民是不可能的吧?除了5毛。
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发表于 2008-12-4 15:44:43 | 只看该作者
加拿大是世界上最民主的国家之一,我爱加拿大。
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发表于 2008-12-4 16:16:24 | 只看该作者
扁鹊见齐桓公的目的是要他提早预防,讳疾忌医最终却要了齐桓公的命。
世上没有一样东西是完美的,即使是如此先进的民主制度。
还有对民主的认识需要一个过程,不要中国人一批评民主制度就强行上纲上线,让批评民主的人闭嘴本身就是一种不民主的行为。我们来这里的时间都不长,能够对民主行为进行关注本身就是一种进步。
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发表于 2008-12-4 16:22:46 | 只看该作者
扁鹊见齐桓公的目的是要他提早预防,讳疾忌医最终却要了齐桓公的命。
世上没有一样东西是完美的,即使是如此先进的民主制度。
还有对民主的认识需要一个过程,不要中国人一批评民主制度就强行上纲上线,让批评民主的人闭嘴本身就是一种不民主的行为。我们来这里的时间都不长,能够对民主行为进行关注本身就是一种进步。


言之有理
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发表于 2008-12-4 16:31:43 | 只看该作者
很有一些口口声声“民主好”的人连民主的最基本概念都不清楚。
民主说简单点就是每个人都有权表达自己的想法。
连别人表达自己的想法都不能容忍,也好意思奢谈民主?
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27#
发表于 2008-12-4 17:52:26 | 只看该作者
真神了,听着音乐再看现在这个政坛活剧,还真是一个闹字。听着听着,就觉得自己比他们自在多了,高尚多了,有意义多了。

我收藏有许多这类新世纪(new age)音乐,还就没有你这首。交换交换?

我的都是youtube上的视频,不懂怎样贴上来。
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发表于 2008-12-4 18:59:31 | 只看该作者
真神了,听着音乐再看现在这个政坛活剧,还真是一个闹字。听着听着,就觉得自己比他们自在多了,高尚多了,有意义多了。

我收藏有许多这类新世纪(new age)音乐,还就没有你这首。交换交换?

我的都是youtube上的视频,不懂怎样贴上来。


比如想贴Nightingale - Yanni吧:

1、复制视频右边中间的网址(URL)“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_B8H956-rg”
2、回到51点击“开帖”/“回复主题”,并点击“Flash”框框,并将youtube的URL粘贴到小框框里;
3、修改URL网址,成“http://www.youtube.com/v/I_B8H956-rg”,然后点击“ok”
4、输入长宽尺寸:输入“425”,点击“ok”;再输入“355”,点击“ok”
5、最后点击“提交回复”框框。

您点击此帖的“引用”框框,检查便知道了。

Nightingale - Yanni



您想“交换”的那个曲子在音乐论坛里,还有讨论的文字呢。

http://www.51.ca/bbs/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=42
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发表于 2008-12-4 19:05:20 | 只看该作者
Support for Tories up amid House crisis, CBC-EKOS poll suggests

Last Updated: Thursday, December 4, 2008 | 6:18 PM ET Comments233Recommend77CBC News

The Conservatives appear to have won the initial public relations battle surrounding the impasse on Parliament Hill, during one of the most chaotic weeks in Canadian political history, an EKOS poll conducted for the CBC suggests.

Respondents in the two-day automated telephone survey conducted Tuesday and Wednesday were asked: "If an election were held tomorrow, which party would you vote for?"

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservatives received 44 per cent of respondents' support, up from the 37.6 per cent support the Tories received in the federal election that returned them to Ottawa with another minority government just seven weeks ago.

The results suggest support for Stéphane Dion's Liberals was down two percentage points from the election, with 24 per cent of respondents' support, while the New Democrats were down almost four percentage points at 14.5 per cent support.

Meanwhile, the Bloc Québécois was at nine per cent and the Greens at eight per cent.

"It does appear that in this period, right out of the gates, the Conservatives have done a much better job of getting their message out to Canadians who are making up their minds about who to blame for this current mess," Frank Graves, president of EKOS Research, told CBC News on Thursday.

Harper was also the favoured leader to deal with the economic crisis.

Forty-seven per cent of respondents selected a Conservative government led by Harper as better able to manage the financial crunch, compared with 34 per cent who supported a proposed Liberal-NDP coalition government led by Dion.

But the overall message of the numbers appears to be that Canadians are deeply divided on the political future of the country, Graves said.

"I think the overall response from the public is one of being flummoxed, angry and confused," he said.

"They don't really know what the issues are. They just know something's wrong and it shouldn't be."

The poll results also suggest that as angry as some Canadians are about political inaction in Ottawa, Gov. Gen. Michaëlle Jean may have gauged public opinion correctly when she approved the prime minister's request to suspend, or prorogue, Parliament on Thursday.

16 per cent want another election: poll
Some 37 per cent of respondents in the survey said they wanted MPs to take a month off to see whether the Conservative minority government can get the confidence of Parliament when it comes back into session.

Twenty-eight per cent said they wanted a Liberal-NDP coalition, with the support of the Bloc Québécois, to replace the government in the next few weeks, while 16 per cent said they wanted another election within the next few weeks.

The survey was largely conducted ahead of the speeches Harper and the three opposition leaders gave Wednesday night, EKOS said.

It also asked whether respondents had confidence in the Governor General's ability to make decisions about the political impasse. Forty-eight per cent of respondents said they were confident in Jean's ability, while 16 per cent said they were moderately confident.

But 36 per cent said they were not very confident. The answers broke along party lines, Graves said.

"Conservatives were much more likely to express low levels of confidence, particularly those out west, whereas Liberals and NDP express much greater levels of confidence," he said.

The survey was conducted using interactive voice recognition (IVR) technology, which allows respondents to state their preferences over the phone without talking to an interviewer.

In total, a random sample of 2,536 Canadians aged 18 and over responded to the survey. A sample of this size provides a margin of error of plus or minus 1.9 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

EKOS said the data were statistically weighted to ensure the sample reflected the Canadian population according to census data.
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发表于 2008-12-4 19:05:20 | 只看该作者



多谢居士的指导!
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