愿大家健康，平安！作者: 榕榕 时间: 2008-11-26 10:24
怎么又是这个烂医院，可怕的历史重演，女人生孩子如同进鬼门关年代还以为一去不复返了，但在这号称先进国家却频频发生，这是最简单的手术也这样，别的更不敢想象了。但愿大家吃好睡好没病没疴最好。作者: kingsw 时间: 2008-11-26 10:27 标题: 既有医疗系统的问题，也是医德的问题。 太太生产的时候，B超报告一个多星期了仍然没有到医生手中，生产持续了9个小时，什么苦头都吃了，最后医生决定实施c-section。孩子出来的时候，发现脐带绕着孩子的脖子了。如果衔接正常，根本一开始就可以采用c-section。而不必遭受两次麻醉，外加催产素的痛苦。
生产过程中，医生和护士也不时地玩失踪，害得我一有情况就不得不出去找人。
从决定手术到手术，效率很高，甚至怀疑，医生2-3个小时前就决定了，只是不让病人和家属知道，在偷偷准备。
手术质量很高，速度很快。所有人员也很专业。术后伤口愈合也还可以，一些轻微的感染。
总体感觉医生的责任心还是差些，太太是凌晨送入，正赶上交班，上一班的到点就走人了，下一班通过档案了解情况，结果是入院3个小时内被问了2次同样的问题。
医生的经验和技术比较丰富，为人和善。但是给病人和家属留下不太关心的印象。
检查报告和医院的衔接会有时间上的问题。如果B超报告及时，很多问题是可以避免的。这点在国内是绝对不可能发生的。因为一家医院完成了所有的检查和分娩过程。衔接上没有问题。作者: 和者盖寡 时间: 2008-11-26 10:38 http://attach.51.ca/other/1/6/2/5/4/2/userphoto/593448.gif作者: 久石让的粉丝 时间: 2008-11-26 10:39 标题: 女人生孩子要早 30多岁生孩子危险越来越大
20出头生孩子最合适，产妇和孩子都会很健康，产妇产道弹性好，不容易出危险作者: gzwind 时间: 2008-11-26 10:40 标题: 36岁，是头胎吗？ 高龄产妇？作者: hgs0607 时间: 2008-11-26 10:46 标题: Getting angry I am Minhong Pan's husband. I have done some research on the Internet. Some reports said the pregnant mass bleeding happends 1 out of 8000 in North America. But this hospital have this happend at least 3 times in 6 months (including one case in June and fortunetly the pregnant was saved). Such a high rate means there should be medical malpractice with it. I already have a lawyer to sue the hospital. If Mr. Guo wants to join me, please feel free to contact me at 416-624-8830. Right now I cannot type Chinese, should anybody can let Mr. Guo know my number will be appreciated. Thanks.作者: 久石让的粉丝 时间: 2008-11-26 10:50 标题: 回复：Getting angry I am Minhong Pan's husband. I have done some research on the Internet. Some reports said the pregnant mass bleeding happends 1 out of 8000 in North America. But this hospital have this happend at least 3 times in 6 months (including one case in June and fortunetly the pregnant was saved). Such a high rate means there should be medical malpractice with it. I already have a lawyer to sue the hospital. If Mr. Guo wants to join me, please feel free to contact me at 416-624-8830. Right now I cannot type Chinese, should anybody can let Mr. Guo know my number will be appreciated. Thanks.
表示支持，这个医院看护有问题，产后大出血是常见的，我表妹和同事都是，在国内，护士责任心很强，不断的查看产妇状况，一旦出现异常，会及时处理，抢救，输血都很快作者: 和者盖寡 时间: 2008-11-26 10:55 标题: 回复：Getting angry I am Minhong Pan's husband. I have done some research on the Internet. Some reports said the pregnant mass bleeding happends 1 out of 8000 in North America. But this hospital have this happend at least 3 times in 6 months (including one case in June and fortunetly the pregnant was saved). Such a high rate means there should be medical malpractice with it. I already have a lawyer to sue the hospital. If Mr. Guo wants to join me, please feel free to contact me at 416-624-8830. Right now I cannot type Chinese, should anybody can let Mr. Guo know my number will be appreciated. Thanks. http://attach.51.ca/other/1/6/2/5/4/2/userphoto/593449.gif作者: mahu 时间: 2008-11-26 10:58 标题: 又一例！！！ :mad: :mad: :mad:
我在上海最好的妇产科医院生了老大，在TORONTO 的 TORONTO EAST GENERAL HOSPITAL 生了老二，我非常满意这里的医疗服务。我觉得不是所有的意外情况都是医生告医生的，有时候，意外也是不可避免的，我在生老大的那个晚上，就有一个产妇死了，这个产妇还是这家大医院附近的地段医院的医生。
看了好几篇这样的报道，心里很难受，也很无奈。祝愿逝去的母亲走好.作者: mahu 时间: 2008-11-26 14:21
严重支持29和30楼的帖！！！ :02:作者: 天涯芳草 时间: 2008-11-26 14:23
Hope that, later on, whenever there is a pregnant lady to give birth, her relatives should always follow the doctors and nurses to check everything, and make sure that the ultra sound result should be transmitted to doctor's hand as soon as possible.作者: Dell-P3 时间: 2008-11-26 14:58
前段时间有个报告，加拿大医疗错误是7大工业国中比例最高的
出事故不应该是产妇的年龄问题，况且36岁算什么晚？我去产科医生那里产检，发现80％以上的老外孕妇都有三四十岁的样子。而我本人呢，体重只有80斤的瘦弱女子，接近45岁生头胎，从怀孕到剖腹产，我一点没觉得自己是高龄产妇而有所畏惧。事实也证明这个年龄生孩子没什么可怕，我剖腹产第二天就下地，洗澡，伤口也毫无感染。作者: alfonso 时间: 2008-11-27 00:38 标题: 为逝者哀悼，为生者祈福 过去女人生孩子是过鬼门关,以现在的医疗条件人们已没有这种恐惧感了, 但还是接二连三出现这种事.而且是在加拿大,这里的医疗系统有时确实让人失望.....人已没了,说这些也没什么用..还是看看有什么办法能让孩子的父亲留下来, 活着的人还是要生活下去,要抚养好这个一出生就没了娘的孩子...作者: 加加减减 时间: 2008-11-27 01:29
不能说这个医院都不好，我的孩子也是在这家医院出生的，一个干练的中年白人女医生，很不错。我是高龄产妇，生第一胎。不过，我很庆幸没遇上糟糕的医生，还能活着回来。:-)
不过，这个医院妇产科旁边的育婴室，有个讲广东话的戴眼镜的年轻华裔儿科医生，非常没道德，满脑子想的就是钱，挖空心思编一些没谱的病症，骗婴儿的父母上套，尤其是大龄、头胎、新移民要小心，切记自己多动脑，自己查清楚资料，不要上当，不要轻易同意打针或其他非常规检查……作者: hack2 时间: 2008-11-27 01:33 标题: 回复：Getting angry I am Minhong Pan's husband. I have done some research on the Internet. Some reports said the pregnant mass bleeding happends 1 out of 8000 in North America. But this hospital have this happend at least 3 times in 6 months (including one case in June and fortunetly the pregnant was saved). Such a high rate means there should be medical malpractice with it. I already have a lawyer to sue the hospital. If Mr. Guo wants to join me, please feel free to contact me at 416-624-8830. Right now I cannot type Chinese, should anybody can let Mr. Guo know my number will be appreciated. Thanks.
因为100%医院不可能承认是普通流血死亡，也就是要找到证据，可以证明产妇在生产前有整症需要进一步检查，而医生忽视了，要找到证据不可能找这里医院的医生，医生都是很团结，所以要去中国寻找非常专业，权威医生，对于这个流血死亡案件，
如果可以有任何前兆或者所有检查报告可以看到危险存在，那么就有可能赢，否则是浪费时间作者: kingswaydrive 时间: 2008-11-27 14:25 标题: Hosptial Death Rate Comparasion http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_17254.aspx
Cdn. Hospitals Release Mortality Rates For The First Time
Friday November 30, 2007
CityNews.ca Staff
Three of Ontario's hospitals, including one in the GTA, made the bottom five in a new report ranking death rates at facilities across the country.
Scarborough General Hospital has the third highest rate of deaths in Canada, and the Toronto area's highest - according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information's (CIHI) study. The highest rate belonged to Grand River Hospital K.W. Health Centre in Kitchener, Ont., while Niagara Health System St. Catharines General in St. Catharines, Ont. came in second. Rounding out the bottom five, Burnaby Hospital in Burnaby, B.C. and Red Deer Regional Hospital in Red Deer, Alta.
It's the first time hospital mortality rates have been released to the public, and the report included 85 acute care hospitals and 42 health regions in all provinces excluding Quebec. The numbers are supposed to represent how well hospitals avoid preventable deaths. (See rankings below) The number attributed to a hospital doesn't represent number of deaths, but a score. With the number 100 representing the national average, hospital ranking above 100 means a mortality ratio above the national average, while a score below means a lower mortality rate.
"Hospitals and health care providers are continuously looking for ways to improve quality of care for their patients," says Graham W. S. Scott, Chair of the Board of Directors of CIHI, in a statement. "The HSMR (hospital standardized mortality ratio) builds on this good work by providing another important tool to better understand in-hospital mortality and identify areas for improvement."
The highest ranking GTA hospital was the University Health Network, which scored an 87. The University Health Network includes Toronto General, Princess Margaret, and Toronto Western Hospitals.
No Ontario hospitals made the top five (in terms of lowest mortality rates). They are, in order: The Moncton Hospital in Moncton, N.B., Foothills Medical Centre in Calgary, Alta., Regina General Hospital in Regina, Sask., Peter Lougheed Centre in Calgary, Alta., and Saint John Regional Hospital in Saint John, N.B.
The impetus for releasing these numbers is to improve patient care across the board and allow hospitals to see where they could be making improvements. The Ontario government has already mandated that the facilities must report injuries or death rates for certain procedures on their websites in addition to wait time statistics.
More than 250,000 have died in Canadian hospitals outside Quebec in the last three years.
(Score of 100 represents the national average, palliative care not included.)
Toronto
North York General: 99
Mt. Sinai Hospital: N/A
St. Michael's Hospital: 91
Scarborough General Hospital: 135
Scarborough Grace Hospital: 110
Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre: 104
Toronto East General Hospital: 104
University Health Network: 87
William Osler Health Centre Etobicoke General Hospital : 98
Humber River Regional Hospitals: N/A
GTA
Credit Valley Health Centre, Mississauga: 102
Richmond Hill: York Central Hospital: 101
Rouge Valley Health System: 106
Newmarket: Southlake Regional Health Centre: 100
Oakville Trafalgar Hospital: 91
Oshawa: Lakeridge Health Centre: 96
Trillium Health Centre, Mississauga: 99
William Osler Health Centre Peel Memorial Hospital: 81
Other Selected Ontario Cities
Barrie: Royal Victoria Hospital: 89
Burlington: Joseph Brant Memorial Hospital: 99
Guelph General Hospital: 91
McMaster Hospital, Hamilton: 88
Niagara Health System St. Catharines: 135
Peterborough Regional Health Care Centre: 109
London Health Sciences Centre: 112
See the full report here (.pdf file)作者: mahu 时间: 2008-11-27 14:46 标题: 回复：Hosptial Death Rate Comparasion --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hospital Standardized Mortality Ratio
(Score of 100 represents the national average, palliative care not included.)
Toronto
North York General: 99
Mt. Sinai Hospital: N/A
St. Michael's Hospital: 91
Scarborough General Hospital: 135
Scarborough Grace Hospital: 110
Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre: 104
Toronto East General Hospital: 104
University Health Network: 87
William Osler Health Centre Etobicoke General Hospital : 98
Humber River Regional Hospitals: N/A
GTA
Credit Valley Health Centre, Mississauga: 102
Richmond Hill: York Central Hospital: 101
Rouge Valley Health System: 106
Newmarket: Southlake Regional Health Centre: 100
Oakville Trafalgar Hospital: 91
Oshawa: Lakeridge Health Centre: 96
Trillium Health Centre, Mississauga: 99
William Osler Health Centre Peel Memorial Hospital: 81
看上去相差不多，但据我说知多伦多大部分创伤急诊（比如车祸，枪击）都送往新宁医院，这必然会增加病人的死亡率，但实质上新宁医院的规模庞大，人员众多，设备技术到位，在多伦多地区的口碑是相当好，完全可以比肩University Health Network 下属的三家医院。当然UHN的三家医院以及附近的Mt. Sinai Hospital (西乃山）, Toronto hospital for sick children（儿童病院）以及Women college hospital 都是第一流的服务水平。作者: Sedona 时间: 2008-11-27 15:20
谢谢您的Research，简直是触目惊心！！！
This is funny! Shocked by index!!! Apparently, lots of people don't read. Those numbers mean nothing, except for comparison purposes, i.e. the distance from the mean.作者: mahu 时间: 2008-11-27 15:33
Mr. Doctor,
Do not mislead others. The numbers are scores, based on statistical indexing skills, after factoring in all statistically significant considerations.
This is funny! Shocked by index!!! Apparently, lots of people don't read. Those numbers mean nothing, except for comparison purposes, i.e. the distance from the mean.
具体操作是以加拿大医院平均死亡率为标尺，给１００分。
其它的医院１００分以上的，反应死亡率高过平均，比如说Scarborough General Hospital得到了１３５的高分，低于１００的，反应死亡率低于平均，比如University Health Network得了８７的低分。但你不能说这两个医院的死亡率是１３５％和８７％，那谁还敢去看病？
“The number attributed to a hospital doesn't represent number of deaths, but a score. With the number 100 representing the national average, hospital ranking above 100 means a mortality ratio above the national average, while a score below means a lower mortality rate.”
Mr. Doctor,
Do not mislead others. The numbers are scores, based on statistical indexing skills, after factoring in all statistically significant considerations.
This is funny! Shocked by index!!! Apparently, lots of people don't read. Those numbers mean nothing, except for comparison purposes, i.e. the distance from the mean.作者: liuhaodoctor 时间: 2008-11-27 17:13 标题: 谈谈几个方面的问题 当务之急一是安顿好孩子，母亲已经不幸走了，如果孩子再出问题（这个医院很难保证）就更是悲剧了。要给孩子一个良好的生活环境，同时不要让照顾孩子牵扯孩子父亲的全部精力，以致于耽误了追查孩子母亲死因的事情。
每个人对“更好的环境生活”都有不同的定义，如果有钱在哪里都好的 话，为什么国内那么多有钱人都要移民呢。
公道肯定是要讨的，孩子的未来也是要考虑的，也只要一个坚强而又负责任的父亲才会两者兼顾，不知道你有什么样的资格去评价这样的父亲。作者: onehumanbeing 时间: 2008-11-27 22:53
Mr. Doctor,
Do not mislead others. The numbers are scores, based on statistical indexing skills, after factoring in all statistically significant considerations.
This is funny! Shocked by index!!! Apparently, lots of people don't read. Those numbers mean nothing, except for comparison purposes, i.e. the distance from the mean.
Hopefully none of us will be part of the statistics.
I have been to few the hospitals mentioned. 4 1/2 years ago, my wife was 10 weeks into pregnancy. She was bleeding and we went to Grand River hospital. After 7 hours, one doctor visited us. He stayed for about 3 minutes. I asked about progesterone, he said he never heard about it. When I complained about waiting so long, his comment was "complain to the government for budget shortage". Needless to say, my wife had a miscarriage. You would understand my attitude towards Grand River.
7 years ago, I went to Scarborough General with my father. He was complaining about chest pain. He was admit right away. After numerous blood test and some X-ray, nobody visited him for another 5 hours before he was released from hospital. All this time, there were many people waiting at the emergency. One old guy complained to the nurse he should say he had a heart attack... Many years after that, one of my friend did use that trick. She was then giving some morphine. She later describe to me how she felt after the shot. She will never do that again.
My wife was 40 years old when we had our boy. We stayed at North York General. It was all good!作者: 少林拳 时间: 2008-11-30 00:50 标题: 孩子的父亲还有心思在这里斗嘴? 一般人遇到这种情况会尽快处理好丧事,联络律师安排善后法律问题,然后尽快带孩子回国.
