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论坛文摘:环球邮报2篇报道引发的思考

发表于 2007-7-5 16:26:28 | 显示全部楼层
又不是没有时间,又不是不会写英文,又不是和人民日报吵架,在51吵架有什么用,直接写信给报纸,或者找木然,可能51老板只有和木然关系好,其他英文媒体可能老板没有认识的人,或者找张虹,她上了3次英文报纸的头条,希望明天可以看见你们中一个精英写信给报纸,而不是和51的中国人斗
发表于 2007-7-5 16:29:21 | 显示全部楼层
不想再看见你们的英文吵架,好象是在51比英文,在51有什么好比,要比较英文谁好
就去外国人网站,太无聊,我们在51比中文谁好
发表于 2007-7-5 17:00:47 | 显示全部楼层
最初由[Teamfortress]发布
这帖子,发在这里,除了能够掀起敌意和怨恨以及自我悲怜外,还有什么用?有这么大工夫去研究,为啥不直接把研究结果发给环球邮报去质疑它?

它就偏见你又怎么样?谁叫你形象本来就不好,谁叫你只敢在窝里骂?

I think its purpose is to strike controversy among the Chinese to fight capitalism  

Bias is better than fabrication, i have read many Chinese translation of western news articles and they changed the meaning an intentions all together, for example: "a concern on" became "not an issue, "a small problem" became "not a problem" and so forth; white become black, a deer become a horse
  :rolleyes:
发表于 2007-7-5 18:46:13 | 显示全部楼层

回复:回复:回复:你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 !

最初由[hanren62]发布
回复:回复:你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 !

   环 球 邮 报 是 右 翼 报 纸 ? ? ? 他 给 出 什 么 根 据 了 ? ?

在加国说的左右与中国人(在大陆和包括在51)说的左右是不同的。在大陆包括在51”左”就是_________(填空题),”右”就是_____________________(填空题).

当然, 媒体只说好的是被认为是”左”(政治正确--中国的"政治正确", 不是英文的political correctness), 是爱国. 媒体说国内这里不好那里不好是”右”(政治上反动, 主编要被开职), 从大角度来说是为中国摸黑, 从小角度来说是为当地政府摸黑, 不利于团结稳定(现在叫和谐). 现在有一个中间的, 说出一些问题, 但这问题是小范围的, 是个别人的, 不影响大局的, 是被控制的, 是符合统一口径的.

以这个标准, 在加国的英法文媒体中你可能找不到一个”左”的报纸, 但有中间的, 这中间的就是对中国的事从不报道(没有兴趣).

但在加国, 划分报纸左右主要是它的社论(比较明确表现出它editorial stance)在加国的政治立场. 这更容易从它对哪个党的支持上和在一些争论度很高的社会议题上(比如是否支持同性结婚、大麻合法化、对低收入阶层是提供更多的就业机会还是提供更多的现金补贴等等)。所以报纸的editorial stance更倾向保守党的象Toronto 的 National Post就从创办开始就被认为是偏右的报纸。这也是那位现在官司缠身的Conrad Black在1998年创办该报的市场竞争路线:与一直支持自由党的中间偏左的Globe and Mail竞争。在整个九十年代,Globe and Mail长期支持自由党的政策,只是在2006年,它转向支持保守党。

与G&M竞争的加国销售量最大的日报Toronto Star是一直比G&M更左. 比如它严厉批评过布什的政策和伊拉克战争. 但最近它的编辑方针也有一些变化, 比如指责加拿大大专院校里的政治正确(political correctness).
发表于 2007-7-5 18:55:46 | 显示全部楼层
实际上今天中文中的"左右"(不是日常生活中指方向的左右)已经与英文中的left right有些不同了. 在今天的中国, 激进是右, 保守是左, 比如胡乔木是左派, 同样被认为是保守派. 中国还有所谓新保守主义, 或叫新左派.
 楼主| 发表于 2007-7-5 19:08:45 | 显示全部楼层
最初由[focus]发布
It's obvious that the writer is the one who is biased.

G&M is the first newspaper devoted an entire day's edition to "The Rising of China" with many positive comments. Among its reporting staff is Jan Wong who was sent to China as an exchange student during the cultural revolution. G&M has more insights on China than you ever know of.



It's interesting that you mentioned the G&M special edition "The Rising of China" .

Here is the link for that special edition. And I still have the paper copy of that issue. I am wondering how much you ever read through and surprised that you use that to support your point of view.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/g ... e/specialChina.html



For Jan wong, I don't have much to discuss with you. It seems that you didn't read as much as I did.

The following information is about Jan Wong.

Jan Wong (pinyin: Huáng Míngzhēn) 黃明珍(born 1953[2] in Montreal, Quebec) is a Canadian journalist of Chinese ancestry. She is the daughter of Montreal businessman Bill Wong, founder of Bill Wong buffets/restaurants. She currently writes for The Globe and Mail, a Toronto-based newspaper.

Towards the end of the Cultural Revolution period, she left McGill University and flew to China. The optimistic Maoist became one of two foreign college students permitted to study at Beijing University. She joined the Chinese Communist Party. While at Beijing she willingly turned in a fellow student who had sought her help to escape to the West. The student was subsequently shamed and expelled.[3]

Wong gradually became disillusioned with Party ideology and returned to Canada. She later studied journalism at Columbia, and returned to China for several years as a foreign correspondent for the The Globe and Mail newspaper, where among other things she covered the Tiananmen Massacre. She later chronicled her Chinese experience in a book, Red China Blues, which was promptly banned in China. After a return trip in the late nineties, she produced a second book entitled Jan Wong's China, a somewhat less personal account of social life, the economy, and politics in modern-day China.

In the late 1990s, Wong wrote a regular column, "Lunch with...", in The Globe and Mail. This column, in which she profiled a celebrity over lunch, brought Wong greater attention in Canadian journalism. Wong was widely criticised for her confrontational style in the column, but its popularity didn't subside. A selection of columns was compiled under the title Lunch with Jan Wong. Of her style, National Post columnist Robert Fulford noted: "A Jan Wong interview has all the charm of a train wreck, complete with the moaning survivors."

In 2006, Wong attracted attention by imitating the work of Barbara Ehrenreich and going undercover as a cleaning lady in wealthy Toronto homes.

Wong and Norman Shulman, whom she married in 1976, have two sons: Ben (b. 1991) and Sam (b. 1994). Shulman, an American draft dodger of the Vietnam era, had joined his father Jack Shulman in China rather than fleeing to Canada. Norman had then had been left behind when Jack and his wife Ruth left China during the turmoil of the Cultural Revolution.

From Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Wong
发表于 2007-7-5 19:49:02 | 显示全部楼层
这份报纸还在手边,当时会拿它也是因为有关的图片所吸引,为标题所吸引,但最终这稿还是没有看下去,因为不需要看,我已经能够猜到这文章写的是什么,感谢版主发掘出这所谓新闻背后的故事,再次感谢
发表于 2007-7-5 20:31:12 | 显示全部楼层
但是作为一家加拿大的知名大报,《环球邮报》选择如此方式来报道两起发生在一年之前的事件,实在是不能不让我觉得一股深深的敌意。---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

俺咋看不出一点"敌意". 难道那两件悲剧没发生过吗?  俺觉得有点太过敏了.
发表于 2007-7-5 21:30:18 | 显示全部楼层
洋人只选对他们有用的材料,断章取义,环球邮报不是右翼还是左翼不成。

报纸是为政治服务的,所谓的言论自由是扯蛋,在哪都一样。当初美国采取欺骗手段侵略伊拉克,你看主流报纸是怎么说,还不是一边倒。所谓拿事实说话,在那个时候都变成瞎子了。
 楼主| 发表于 2007-7-5 21:57:34 | 显示全部楼层
最初由[ffgg123]发布
又不是没有时间,又不是不会写英文,又不是和人民日报吵架,在51吵架有什么用,直接写信给报纸,或者找木然,可能51老板只有和木然关系好,其他英文媒体可能老板没有认识的人,或者找张虹,她上了3次英文报纸的头条,希望明天可以看见你们中一个精英写信给报纸,而不是和51的中国人斗

July 2, 2007 at 9:16 PM EDT, The face of Chinese cost cutting was posted on G&M website. In the next day, by 2:00 PM, the comments section was closed. There are totally 41 comments were posted during that period of the time.

I believe that G&M closed the comments that early on purpose. Do you like to figure it out by yourself? Go and check the following link.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/s ... International/home/
发表于 2007-7-5 22:15:15 | 显示全部楼层

对于逢中必反者而言,楼主的帖子显然是不愿被看到的。

最初由[骑兵连连长]发布
回复:[原创]《环球邮报》七月三日两篇报道所引发的思考



赞一个! 真专业!
发表于 2007-7-5 22:19:15 | 显示全部楼层

建议改名为“胡说无罪,八卦有理”

借你的原话,俺咋看不出一点"道"呢?

最初由[胡硕士]发布
但是作为一家加拿大的知名大报,《环球邮报》选择如此方式来报道两起发生在一年之前的事件,实在是不能不让我觉得一股深深的敌意。---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

俺咋看不出一点"敌意". 难道那两件悲剧没发生过吗?  俺觉得有点太过敏了.
发表于 2007-7-5 22:52:51 | 显示全部楼层

回复:建议改名为“胡说无罪,八卦有理”

最初由[山顶洞人]发布
建议改名为“胡说无罪,八卦有理”

借你的原话,俺咋看不出一点"道"呢?



您要是看出"道"来, 全人类还不都倒退到"山顶洞人"时代了. 那才是对人类的"深深的敌意". 一群不齿的愤青!
发表于 2007-7-5 23:01:55 | 显示全部楼层
最初由[ffgg123]发布
不想再看见你们的英文吵架,好象是在51比英文,在51有什么好比,要比较英文谁好
就去外国人网站,太无聊,我们在51比中文谁好

同意!
发表于 2007-7-5 23:17:43 | 显示全部楼层
最初由[舌战群猪]发布
中国一切罪恶的根源就是人口越来越过剩与生存资源越来越有限之间的冲突。总是会有过剩的群体通过正常的竞争得不到有限的生存资源,但他们总是要本能地想方设法地继续生存。于是假冒伪劣现象出现了,在没有战乱的和平环境里,假药,假酒,有毒食品对抑制人口增长,优化社会人口结构,优胜劣汰,淘汰老弱病残起到了良好的调节作用,也是中国社会贫富差距拉大以后的必然产物。

有一定的道理.
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