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马秀英:我们的梦想就是能够讨个说法(第9集)

46#
发表于 2007-5-1 15:10:53 | 只看该作者

回复:最残忍的,是人类。

最初由[墨子]发布
最残忍的,是人类。

你的烤全羊,对我来说,不是美味,而是对动物的虐杀、酷刑,我看得直肉麻、犯恶心。

最残忍的,是人类。

同学们在这里做梦,挥笔疾书,何尝不是把几个事主拉出来,细细切开,在人家伤口上沙把盐呢?

有人喜欢吃美味,有人喜欢闻香味,有人喜欢看颜色,也有人喜欢过程。你是哪一类呢?

http://album.xmnext.com/Album/Upload_25/Original/%c2%c3%b6%d3%b3%a4/%c2%c3%b6%d3%b3%a4_72_1_0437f79f21a5ff1.jpg

http://album.xmnext.com/Album/Upload_25/Original/%c2%c3%b6%d3%b3%a4/%c2%c3%b6%d3%b3%a4_72_1_97d2a94060f0122.jpg

http://album.xmnext.com/Album/Upload_25/Original/%c2%c3%b6%d3%b3%a4/%c2%c3%b6%d3%b3%a4_72_1_f8bfb192808e7bf.jpg
47#
发表于 2007-5-1 15:12:56 | 只看该作者

回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:大家的“兴趣”好像没高山事件来的浓!

最初由[熱心腸]发布
回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:大家的“兴趣”好像没高山事件来的浓!

顶你一下,送免费烤全羊

=>
老哥 我剛才吃過中飯 看到您貼的讓我快要吐了(不禁讓人想到滿人的飲食習慣.....) 這樣的幽默有點無福消受

也不知道满人挨你什么事了?
俺们满人怎么惹着你了?
48#
发表于 2007-5-1 15:19:42 | 只看该作者

回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:大家的“兴趣”好像没高山事件来的浓!

也不知道满人挨你什么事了?
俺们满人怎么惹着你了?

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最近電視不在演大清風雲嗎?當碩果被處以極刑時不有位官說吃全羊餐另一位官回說別提了 怎樣?不需要那麼過度敏感吧?
49#
发表于 2007-5-1 15:21:35 | 只看该作者

回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:大家的“兴趣”好像没高山事件来的浓!

最初由[熱心腸]发布
回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:回复:大家的“兴趣”好像没高山事件来的浓!

也不知道满人挨你什么事了?
俺们满人怎么惹着你了?

=>
最近電視不在演大清風雲嗎?當碩果被處以極刑時不有位官說吃全羊餐另一位官回說別提了 怎樣?不需要那麼過度敏感吧?

没看,不是敏感,51总拿满人说事,反感。
50#
发表于 2007-5-1 15:26:19 | 只看该作者

回复:My explaination to Sedona

最初由[有感而发]发布
My explaination to Sedona

Talking about protecting individual's personal information, Sedona is correct. We do have responsibility to keep all the case information unleashed unless authorized. Luckily I always have this in mind before posting the previous article. However I don't think I have violated any Legislation or Regulation.

First of all, she (Mrs. Ma) wasn't even our client before getting official response from director of local office after firing internal review. Since she didn't have the case number assigned when those activities took place, there is no way to "disclose" our clients' info.

Secondly, some background I have mentioned in that article is just general information. There isn't any personal information released. I haven't talked about any actual name from any party except hers. Also this exception is only because 51.ca has posted her name so everyone who is talking about this issue has known that already prior to my posting.

What I am trying to say here is that I do respect Canadian Laws and Regulations. So I don't think I could have established a bad example to anybody. By the way, I don't know what Sedona means by "Chinese Canadians". What I can say is that I am still holding Chinese citizenship even I have been staying here long enough to be allowed to apply for Canadian citizenship. The reason is that I don't want to pursue anything else at a cost of my status in my home country. However it doesn't mean I can't be a good resident here.

I know I will be responsible for any consequences caused by the action that I have taken. If by any chance I am in trouble because of that posting, I won't come to 51.ca and complain. However if someone keeps on being arrogant to unfortunate people without offering his/her actual help to them, I will.

Regarding the conversation between the case workers and me at that time, I don't think it was so important to be recalled again here. I do understand that written consent is a must for delegation. However sometimes there are alternative ways for solving problem without going too far. In my understanding if people are intend to solve the problem, they will try to make things simple and straight forward. Otherwise they will do it in a totally different way.

I agree with Sedona that there won't be any lawyer here in Canada who can be free of charge to provide legal assistance. Somebody has to pay for that and it is way too costly. If the goal of filing a lawsuit is to appeal a court order made for a case with murder involved, I won't be suprised to hear that the expense may reach millions. That is why I am not really optimized about the possible result Mrs. Ma may get at the end. Better let the lost one laid in peace back home.


First of all, please accept my apology because of too strong the tone of my previous post.

I reacted out of professionalism; everyone of us in dealing with our clients must observe the rule of confidentiality.

I reacted also out of cultural clash.  My post has nothing against you, but the clash that some of us, immigrants from China including myself, would disclose a case in the public in such a manner.

You don't have a file opened, but it doesn't mean you have no obligation to keep their information confidential.  You, as an employee of SBT, had an informal encounter with the couple, and thus have an obligation to keep your mouth shut.  Your access to the information because of SBT.  Whether you are at work or not, you wear their hat.

Sorry to say that, but if you were one of my staff, you shall be disciplined, without no hesitation.

I know the details of a few very high profile discussions in 51 in the past 6 months, but I never mentioned their names, never talked about their details and never said I knew them.

Confidentiality is more than names.

This is a lesson for Chinese Canadians.  To survive in Canada, we need to know their rules.
51#
发表于 2007-5-1 15:29:21 | 只看该作者

你有什么“资格”去“派遣”他们呢?

莫不成,你是51.ca的董事会主席兼董事长不成?

最初由[ffgg123]发布
那么我们就派遣赵老板和木然加上sunny 去安慰他们
52#
发表于 2007-5-1 15:35:05 | 只看该作者

那你就什么都不要吃了。

你吃肉,就对动物们不公平;
你吃面,就是对麦子们不公平;
你吃大米饭,就是对稻子们不公平;
要是追求你的所谓公平的话,人类岂不得灭绝喽?

最初由[墨子]发布
最残忍的,是人类。

你的烤全羊,对我来说,不是美味,而是对动物的虐杀、酷刑,我看得直肉麻、犯恶心。

最残忍的,是人类。
53#
发表于 2007-5-1 15:36:58 | 只看该作者

你以为,中国驻加拿大大使馆整天就得处理这种鸡毛蒜皮的事?

而且还是黑户加难民(谁知是不是FLG?)。

最初由[crystal-l]发布
尽快开设捐款帐户,起码钱最能给予他们实际的帮助.我不知道他们和女儿的情况大使馆为什么不管,他们都是中国公民啊,如果中国大使馆肯出面,他们的女儿起码有机会被确诊是否精神病,没有病在那些地方也会关出病来的.
54#
发表于 2007-5-1 15:39:27 | 只看该作者

你要是也去裸奔的话,51.ca的网友们兴趣可是大大地呢。

就怕你不敢哇。

最初由[夏侯草]发布
回复:大家的“兴趣”好像没高山事件来的浓!



太多的梦让同志们变理智了呗,连我裸奔女同胞都没了性趣,世态炎凉,可见一斑。  吼吼。
55#
发表于 2007-5-1 16:44:58 | 只看该作者

回复:回复:回复:回复:大家的“兴趣”好像没高山事件来的浓!

最初由[夏侯草]发布
回复:回复:回复:大家的“兴趣”好像没高山事件来的浓!



一起裸奔就有得看了,公平社会寻求公平待遇,一个人脱叫表演,要收费滴。

多伦多鸭比鸡贵,唐人街市价:玫瑰鸡5刀,烤鸭15刀,三倍乐,吼吼

让我想起了张生记老鸭褒,鸭是越老越香啊,鸡还是吃嫩的
56#
发表于 2007-5-1 16:45:45 | 只看该作者

回复:你要是也去裸奔的话,51.ca的网友们兴趣可是大大地呢。

最初由[doggy]发布
你要是也去裸奔的话,51.ca的网友们兴趣可是大大地呢。

就怕你不敢哇。



没他不敢的
57#
发表于 2007-5-1 16:57:53 | 只看该作者

回复:回复:My explaination to Sedona

最初由[Sedona]发布

You don't have a file opened, but it doesn't mean you have no obligation to keep their information confidential.  You, as an employee of SBT, had an informal encounter with the couple, and thus have an obligation to keep your mouth shut.  Your access to the information because of SBT.  Whether you are at work or not, you wear their hat.

Regarding this point, I agree! Even if we don't have a file opened for the people we provided services to, still, we have the obligations to keep it absolutely confidential!!!

However, please understand the differences we are experiencing and allow some os uf some more time to adapt to the system here. Rome was not built over a day!
58#
发表于 2007-5-1 18:05:48 | 只看该作者

回复:回复:My explaination to Sedona

最初由[Sedona]发布
回复:My explaination to Sedona




First of all, please accept my apology because of too strong the tone of my previous post.

I reacted out of professionalism; everyone of us in dealing with our clients must observe the rule of confidentiality.

I reacted also out of cultural clash.  My post has nothing against you, but the clash that some of us, immigrants from China including myself, would disclose a case in the public in such a manner.

You don't have a file opened, but it doesn't mean you have no obligation to keep their information confidential.  You, as an employee of SBT, had an informal encounter with the couple, and thus have an obligation to keep your mouth shut.  Your access to the information because of SBT.  Whether you are at work or not, you wear their hat.

Sorry to say that, but if you were one of my staff, you shall be disciplined, without no hesitation.

I know the details of a few very high profile discussions in 51 in the past 6 months, but I never mentioned their names, never talked about their details and never said I knew them.

Confidentiality is more than names.

This is a lesson for Chinese Canadians.  To survive in Canada, we need to know their rules.

这个贴子要顶。

很遗憾看到楼主会对如此重要的东西不在意。在他们找到你的SBT哪怕只是一个咨询,他们就是你们的客户,如何可以认为“she (Mrs. Ma) wasn't even our client before getting official response from director of local office after firing internal review.”?

楼主对 CONFIDENTIALITY 的认识如此薄弱在她一开始贴子中的这一段就表露出来了:

“我当时非常同情他们的处境,也尝试帮助他们跟local office的社工进行联系,但是local office的办公人员不是休假不在,就是提出要求让我得到老两口正式授权,再传真授权书,等等等等,然后才可以代表他们进一步讨论案子具体细节。总而言之一堆人为障碍(我个人看法)。”

楼主认为代表别人办事要授权(至少在这件事上)是“一堆人为障碍”,换句话说,如果楼主有权管理这个CASE,她就可以不需要别人(一个象楼主一样热心要帮忙的人)出具授权书,而谈论和代表别人处理与那CASE有关的东西?

我相信 Sedona 只是提醒楼主要真正明白这一点。This is a serious issue.
59#
发表于 2007-5-1 18:07:55 | 只看该作者
那一个这么缺徳律师, 知法犯法, 你有什么资格在加拿大当律师. 骗子, 没有能力打赢这场官司. 如果,你还有一点良心, 应该把这笔钱退还这俩位老人家.

请给老人家地址, 我想去看看他们
60#
发表于 2007-5-1 19:51:55 | 只看该作者
假拿大没有法律,
涉及他们本身的利益时,警察和政府永远是说谎者
而且他们手中有武器,我们如何能搞定?
只能对他们诅咒诅咒再诅咒
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