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标题: 魁北克城 --- 温莎 高速铁路耗资$21.3B [打印本页]
作者: 打一地名    时间: 2012-3-8 10:08
标题: 魁北克城 --- 温莎 高速铁路耗资$21.3B
OTTAWA — A new study predicts development of a high-speed rail line between Quebec City and Windsor, Ont., could cost more than $21.3 billion and have little hope of making money.

The detailed study -- the latest of more than a dozen since 1984 -- was conducted by a group of international consulting firms on behalf of the federal, Ontario and Quebec governments.

It includes assessments of high-speed train technologies, potential routes, traffic forecasts and cost-benefit analyses.
The study also evaluates socio-economic, environmental and transportation system impacts.

It looked at two technologies based on speeds of 200 kilometres an hour using diesel traction and 300 km/h using electric traction.

It estimated development costs in 2009 dollars for the full Quebec City--Windsor corridor at $18.9 billion for the slower technology and $21.3 billion for the higher-speed system technology.

The study says the busiest section, Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto, alone could cost between $9.1 billion and $11 billion.
"Governments would need to contribute significantly to the project development cost and receive no financial return on investment," says a report summary.

"From the point of view of the Canadian economy as a whole, the economic analysis showed that (high-speed rail) between Quebec City and Windsor would not generate a positive net economic benefit. However, a project between Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto only could generate a positive net economic benefit at both 200 and 300 km/h."

About 85 per cent of Via Rail's annual ridership of four million travel the Quebec City-Windsor corridor, the bulk of that between Montreal and Toronto. Via's conventional trains top out at about 160 kilometres an hour.

The study was conducted by EcoTrain, a group of international consulting firms led by Dessau and comprising Deutsche Bahn International, KPMG, MMM Group, and Wilbur Smith Associates.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20111115/high-speed-rail-link-quebec-city-windsor-111115/
作者: 夏候草    时间: 2012-3-8 10:18
哈哈，贫穷得靠福利过日子的魁省要造高铁了，这边安省否决了多伦多的地铁提案，对比鲜明，讽刺绝妙啊！砖家说是多伦多的人口的密度不够，这些砖家再算算６０年前的多伦多人口的密度够不够修地铁呢？

OTTAWA — A new study predicts development of a high-speed rail line between Quebec City and Windsor, Ont., could cost more than $21.3 billion and have little hope of making money.

The detailed study -- the latest of more than a dozen since 1984 -- was conducted by a group of international consulting firms on behalf of the federal, Ontario and Quebec governments.

It includes assessments of high-speed train technologies, potential routes, traffic forecasts and cost-benefit analyses.
The study also evaluates socio-economic, environmental and transportation system impacts.

It looked at two technologies based on speeds of 200 kilometres an hour using diesel traction and 300 km/h using electric traction.

It estimated development costs in 2009 dollars for the full Quebec City--Windsor corridor at $18.9 billion for the slower technology and $21.3 billion for the higher-speed system technology.

The study says the busiest section, Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto, alone could cost between $9.1 billion and $11 billion.
"Governments would need to contribute significantly to the project development cost and receive no financial return on investment," says a report summary.

"From the point of view of the Canadian economy as a whole, the economic analysis showed that (high-speed rail) between Quebec City and Windsor would not generate a positive net economic benefit. However, a project between Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto only could generate a positive net economic benefit at both 200 and 300 km/h."

About 85 per cent of Via Rail's annual ridership of four million travel the Quebec City-Windsor corridor, the bulk of that between Montreal and Toronto. Via's conventional trains top out at about 160 kilometres an hour.

The study was conducted by EcoTrain, a group of international consulting firms led by Dessau and comprising Deutsche Bahn International, KPMG, MMM Group, and Wilbur Smith Associates.
玉皇大帝 发表于 2012-3-8 10:08 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
作者: 淡散客    时间: 2012-3-8 17:43
这主要是联邦、省投资，魁省投，安省也要投。就像文中说的“have little hope of making money”，加拿大政府不发行债卷是不可能有钱的，这种投资回报几乎是遥遥无期的，银行会贷款？
作者: kanada    时间: 2012-3-8 18:07
这主要是联邦、省投资，魁省投，安省也要投。就像文中说的“have little hope of making money”，加拿大政府不发行债卷是不可能有钱的，这种投资回报几乎是遥遥无期的，银行会贷款？
淡山 发表于 2012-3-8 17:43 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


市财政不能发行债券，却要掏腰包自己解决地铁的投资，实在是力不从心，也不公平！
哈勃不是福特的ｆｉｓｈｉｎｇ　ｂｕｄｄｙ吗，开口要钱呀！
作者: 骑兵连连长    时间: 2012-3-9 05:29
二楼的，我真佩服你容易激动的本领，只是拜托您好好看看原来的新闻。

1. 文中提到Quebec City之后，另外一个地名叫Windsor, Ont.，高铁的报告希望连接这两个地方。知道这个第二个地方在哪里吗？

－－这事这么可能是魁北克省自己要搞？

2. 仔细看一下哪一个政府官员拍板宣布要造高铁了？

－－没有，这篇新闻只是讲调研报告。离真正下决心开工还远着呢。二楼的把风声听成雨声了！

连接安省、魁省南部的高铁设想，这不是第一次，也不是最后一次。我认为这是政府应该去争取实施的项目，至少从多伦多到蒙特利尔这一段兴建高铁。但是以目前的经济形势，联邦和省政府都不可能再有大笔资金用于基础设施建设，20年内根本就别想，除非联邦政府把购买军火的钱撤了，从F-35战斗机的项目上省点钱下来，用于民生工程，用于多伦多地铁和加东经济走廊的高铁。
作者: 夏候草    时间: 2012-3-13 13:22
二楼的，我真佩服你容易激动的本领，只是拜托您好好看看原来的新闻。

1. 文中提到Quebec City之后，另外一个地名叫Windsor, Ont.，高铁的报告希望连接这两个地方。知道这个第二个地方在哪里吗？

－－这事这么可能是魁北克省自己要搞？

2. 仔细看一下哪一个政府官员拍板宣布要造高铁了？

－－没有，这篇新闻只是讲调研报告。离真正下决心开工还远着呢。二楼的把风声听成雨声了！

连接安省、魁省南部的高铁设想，这不是第一次，也不是最后一次。我认为这是政府应该去争取实施的项目，至少从多伦多到蒙特利尔这一段兴建高铁。但是以目前的经济形势，联邦和省政府都不可能再有大笔资金用于基础设施建设，20年内根本就别想，除非联邦政府把购买军火的钱撤了，从F-35战斗机的项目上省点钱下来，用于民生工程，用于多伦多地铁和加东经济走廊的高铁。
骑兵连连长 发表于 2012-3-9 06:29 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


没有地铁啥事的，安省搞不搞建设都要涨价，还希望涨完价可以看到有新东西造出来。高铁也不错，至少以后不用为了过高铁瘾买机票飞中国了。。。

安省省府计划上涨驾照（Driver's Licence）费和车牌（Vehicle Licence）验证费。其中从明年开始，新的驾照和驾照更新将增加5元，即从目前的75元升至80元；驾照考试费（driving exams）将增加5到10元。而车牌（Vehicle Licence）验证费安省北部将增加4元至41元；安省南部则增加8元至82元。

此外，卡车、巴士以及货柜车的运营费也将上涨，其中有的从今年开始实施。自由党政府表示，提高上述收费是为了用于道路和桥梁的维修工程。



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