良言逆耳：请别再走进追"名校"的怪圈

清华北大

我也听多伦多教育局的干部说过，加拿大中小学教学水平其实相差无几，不必追求所谓名校。

倒是在实际生活中听一些家长抱怨过名校。说在那里的孩子家庭都是非富即贵，所以孩子攀比心理很强。吃午饭经常拿日本售死，30多一份的那种。mp3都是市面上最好的。暑假度假都是夏威夷等地，加勒比嫌太近。早恋很多。去年南亚海啸捐款，家长开500以上的支票的比比皆是。学校经常给同学推销一些课外书，不便宜。校内讲中文太多。。。

当然，名校也有它的优点了。

sweethoney

你上的什莫“名校”啊？我的孩子在SENECA HILL 上过一年，感觉上教学上尤其是英文是比原来的学校要好很多，而且没什么上学说中文一说。 据说班上有一个新移民的孩子，因为不习惯没人说中文，很快就转走了。

不过，随着众多的新移民的蜂拥而至， 情况怎么变就很难说了。就像AY JACKSON， 原来的确不错，现在已经不怎么样。 其他的学校也是一样，曾经在MCDONALD边上等人，过来一个满嘴黄牙的中国女人：“你是中国人不？讲中文不？”，月来都是给孩子找学校的。现在MCDONALD附近的公寓都涨了租金，而且早都取消了头一个月FREE的优惠，里面住了众多的高中生，这个学校不久的将来也会像AY一样走下坡路。

其实新移民多也没什么，我记得原来的中国孩子至少理科成绩都不错，而且目标比较高，现在的可好，很多孩子居然就定位在COLLEGE， 这从另一个角度上说明现在的移民素质在下降。

中国人民大众的本事就是：把好好的东西搞糟，而且要搞到世界各个角落。


最初由[清华北大]发布
[评论]良言逆耳：请别再走进追

我也听多伦多教育局的干部说过，加拿大中小学教学水平其实相差无几，不必追求所谓名校。

倒是在实际生活中听一些家长抱怨过名校。说在那里的孩子家庭都是非富即贵，所以孩子攀比心理很强。吃午饭经常拿日本售死，30多一份的那种。mp3都是市面上最好的。暑假度假都是夏威夷等地，加勒比嫌太近。早恋很多。去年南亚海啸捐款，家长开500以上的支票的比比皆是。学校经常给同学推销一些课外书，不便宜。校内讲中文太多。。。

当然，名校也有它的优点了。

祖宗

什么“名”校？还不就这么回事！再怎么教，加拿大人能聪明多少？比那个不识数的老母猪能强多少？

georgyfred

The author made the correct decision as his/her kids can't adapt to the high education requirement and then he/she had to change because his/her kids failed adjusting themslves to the new environment.

It was a correct decision for his/her kids, but not wise advice to new immigrants.

Most of chinese/Russian immigrants complain about the lower level of the math and sicence education in canada. But you are happy, your kids are happy and your kid's teachers are happy with the eduction level in the public schools. happy and satisfied, why complain?
See the contradication?

You should have heard some "evil programs" offered by famous universities such as Harvard MBA; even locan americans have to sacrifice sleeping time to finish the projects/research articles. It is a competition world. You failed the your kids right before the run-off line. Smart kids are working harder for the future competition. But most of chinese immigrants are now happy with the kids' performance in public schools; you think: they can handle, 2 hours or less per day, right? See the difference?

One thing is for sure, without english or french, most of chinese kids educated in canada public schools will lose to those educated from mainland chinese school. Are you still happy?

There are good schools. They are not the "Named Schools" which are verbally shown or recommended by real-estate agents/newspapers. They are "famous" and good schools.

There are about 20~30 good schools which can only produce about 500 quality students per year in Toronto.They are the elite for toronto city or even canada's future. You need to apply for it and your kids will have to pass entry tests to get into it.and you need to pay for it.

is 500 elite per year enough for canada? It is. You just don't know where and how to get the info. but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I had personally visited 2 good schools for my kid in the summer of 2004 with the inviation letter from them when the real estate market here is very hot. Surprisingly along the long streets, no plate "For sale" could be found. Nice, spacious and quiet streets full of sun shine. Imagine the difference?

The first month after i arrived in toronto, i often saw a few local kids at 10 taking the subway to go home at about 6pm. Are you richer and the local canadian just can't afford to buy house close to good schools as you do? wrong!yours is just "Named Schools".

a girls at 12 has to travel 2 ~3 hours(if winter or traffic jam, it is worse) every day to reach  good school at downtown toronto from Richmond hill hwy 7? for what? good school!

please change your mind. give your children a chance for future competition.

invest in your kids' future, if they deserve the investment.

george.

WTTO

This may be true.

最初由[铁拳无敌金大苹]发布
这种人就是见不得人家好

当初在名校区附近买房地产的
被你这个家伙这麽一搅和
明年全得赔钱

多伦多先生

最初由[georgyfred]发布
misleading again!

The author made the correct decision as his/her kids can't adapt to the high education requirement and then he/she had to change because his/her kids failed adjusting themslves to the new environment.

It was a correct decision for his/her kids, but not wise advice to new immigrants.

Most of chinese/Russian immigrants complain about the lower level of the math and sicence education in canada. But you are happy, your kids are happy and your kid's teachers are happy with the eduction level in the public schools. happy and satisfied, why complain?
See the contradication?

You should have heard some "evil programs" offered by famous universities such as Harvard MBA; even locan americans have to sacrifice sleeping time to finish the projects/research articles. It is a competition world. You failed the your kids right before the run-off line. Smart kids are working harder for the future competition. But most of chinese immigrants are now happy with the kids' performance in public schools; you think: they can handle, 2 hours or less per day, right? See the difference?

One thing is for sure, without english or french, most of chinese kids educated in canada public schools will lose to those educated from mainland chinese school. Are you still happy?

There are good schools. They are not the "Named Schools" which are verbally shown or recommended by real-estate agents/newspapers. They are "famous" and good schools.

There are about 20~30 good schools which can only produce about 500 quality students per year in Toronto.They are the elite for toronto city or even canada's future. You need to apply for it and your kids will have to pass entry tests to get into it.and you need to pay for it.

is 500 elite per year enough for canada? It is. You just don't know where and how to get the info. but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I had personally visited 2 good schools for my kid in the summer of 2004 with the inviation letter from them when the real estate market here is very hot. Surprisingly along the long streets, no plate "For sale" could be found. Nice, spacious and quiet streets full of sun shine. Imagine the difference?

The first month after i arrived in toronto, i often saw a few local kids at 10 taking the subway to go home at about 6pm. Are you richer and the local canadian just can't afford to buy house close to good schools as you do? wrong!yours is just "Named Schools".

a girls at 12 has to travel 2 ~3 hours(if winter or traffic jam, it is worse) every day to reach  good school at downtown toronto from Richmond hill hwy 7? for what? good school!

please change your mind. give your children a chance for future competition.

invest in your kids' future, if they deserve teh investment.

george.

a list of "good schools" mentioned above ?

多伦多先生

看来还是孩子的问题。拼命补习的往往成绩不太理想。成绩好的大都从不补习，玩的时间也多。想想我们小的时候是不是这样的？其实不能拔尖，退一步也挺好。

完善自我

最初由[vipros]发布
回复：misleading again!



a list of "good schools" mentioned above ?
他是开私校的(或者是私校的拖),他的"good school"就是他推荐的(或者是他开的)私校.

louisyuu

it depends your condition, in chinese, if the park is big enough, you can see all kinds of birds.

i hope all the children feel happy!!!

georgyfred

i am not rich enough to open a private school or famous good school such as Earl Haig or University of Toronto School. Both of them are in my list. I am paying money to the school.

see the wise advisor among old immigrants again? mislead and criticize someones without puting your efforts in searching.

george

最初由[葫芦瓢]发布
回复：回复：misleading again!


他是开私校的(或者是私校的拖),他的"good school"就是他推荐的(或者是他开的)私校.

jan_ai Zhang

最初由[葫芦瓢]发布
回复：回复：misleading again!


他是开私校的(或者是私校的拖),他的"good school"就是他推荐的(或者是他开的)私校.

You are right!

I tell you that who is "georgefred":
   First he worked for a school at the intersection between Young and Eglinton to cheat Chinese overseas students by fraud (not fred). Now he worked for a private school to cheat naive Chinese new immigrant parents again.

Horizon

最初由[georgyfred]发布
回复：回复：回复：misleading again!

i am not rich enough to open a private school or famous good school such as Earl Haig or University of Toronto School. Both of them are in my list. I am paying money to the school.

see the wise advisor among old immigrants again? mislead and criticize someones without puting your efforts in searching.

george



I support you! :smile:

watcher

加拿大中小学教学水平其实相差无几，不必追求所谓名校。....

此言差亦! 相信楼主对加拿大的教育了解不多.

在加拿大,在意小学教学水平的人的确不多.但注意中学教学水平的,确大有人在. 其中的讲究在于,名牌大学的录取与学生的中学大有关系!一般而言,如成绩和其它条件相仿,好中学的毕业生一定优先录取.

当然,大学录取部门决不会明确指出这点.另外,各大学录取部门都有自己对中学跟踪数据和分析结果.如果你有机会看他们的分析,大概很多人都会有吃惊之处.

例如, 楼上提到的A Y JACKSON,应该很少有名牌大学把它列为好中学的.MCDONALD 则还可以.

而名牌大学认为的好中学(Public High School)里, Richmond Hill 的 Richmond Hill HS, Scarborough 的 Woburn CI, North York的Don Mills CI...等等,则一定名列其中.

如果你的孩子想申请美国的名牌大学,好中学的作用将会更大.

georgyfred

this is george again.

i am 42 years old now. i don't own a private school or public school in toronto. in my list, most of them are in fact public schools, about 20~30. i have shown you two of them. and i won't tell you the rest. you should go to the toronto reference library to find them yourself.

thank you for your wishes. i hope i can have a company in the future, not school.

if anyone is interested in who is georgyfred, get the news reporter to contact me though my email shown in last related topic debate.don't worry,i won't provide any list to him/her. just to show i don't have so-called schools and i am not a teacher here too. i am an accountant working in insurance industry. satisfied?

i want to keep quiet, but just can't imagine there are so many so-called wise advisors among the old immigrants providing misleading info. again and again.

george

最初由[jan_ai Zhang]发布
回复：回复：回复：misleading again!



You are right!

I tell you that who is "georgefred":
   First he worked for a school at the intersection between Young and Eglinton to cheat Chinese overseas students by fraud (not fred). Now he worked for a private school to cheat naive Chinese new immigrant parents again.

judy2000zhang

there are some good element schools near beach, w8, rosedale and around avenue road. The new immigrant rate is under 5% in the beach. good school, good location, and good neighbour.