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哈哈,新华社真能吹啊
沙发
发表于 2007-11-9 09:54:43 | 只看该作者

大陆的电视剧描述的我党私家军队早已是世界第一

打台湾:三天
打日本:一个星期
打美国:一个月
板凳
 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-9 10:06:36 | 只看该作者

回复:大陆的电视剧描述的我党私家军队早已是世界第一

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大陆的电视剧描述的我党私家军队早已是世界第一

打台湾:三天
打日本:一个星期
打美国:一个月

打飞机:一分钟
地板
发表于 2007-11-9 10:09:06 | 只看该作者
楼上的是真白啊,从里到外一样白!就我所知中国的普通士兵的训练强度和台湾省相比真的是强很多。我有朋友就在部队,体能训练是每早全副武装5公里奔袭,住的地方当然没有空调。
我想台湾是给士兵条件好,但真有事的时候会有人因为你平时训练强度底就给你手下留情吗?
5#
发表于 2007-11-9 10:19:39 | 只看该作者
现代战争和士兵的训练程度真没有多大关系,训练的目的是为了纪律和毅力,打仗还得靠武器的先进程度,步兵只能起到眼睛甚至诱饵的作用
6#
发表于 2007-11-9 13:11:19 | 只看该作者
明显的武器论。在现代武器相差并不悬殊的情况下,最后的要素就是士兵的精神。案例如:朝战,当时解放军完全没有制空权,一样能把战斗僵持在38线,如果非后勤和空中太差,我看美国人那次会被赶下水。

最初由[condition zero]发布
现代战争和士兵的训练程度真没有多大关系,训练的目的是为了纪律和毅力,打仗还得靠武器的先进程度,步兵只能起到眼睛甚至诱饵的作用
7#
发表于 2007-11-9 14:27:29 | 只看该作者
最初由[westvv]发布
明显的武器论。在现代武器相差并不悬殊的情况下,最后的要素就是士兵的精神。案例如:朝战,当时解放军完全没有制空权,一样能把战斗僵持在38线,如果非后勤和空中太差,我看美国人那次会被赶下水。



这为老兄还在那包着寒颤不放.你老多大岁数了?你不理解什么是指数级的发展? 知道技术发展的速度早把3, 40年前的东西(思想和设备)都扫进垃圾桶了.
要比勇敢,自卫的决心, 阿富汗人,伊拉克人等比美国人(联合国军人)勇敢不知多少倍. 但要比战略战术,设备武器,就没法比了.线在什么状况也是明显的.现在的社会是丛林原理. 野牛再强也没法吃掉老虎,虽然有时候老虎面对野牛也得让一让.
你还韩战呢,要不是当时的苏联支持,放一百个胆给毛,也不敢和美国军斗.更不要谈什么正一非正仪了.

说白了韩战是美苏在斗,而中国只是当炮灰而已.毛当然知道这点,所以后来就为中国向苏提很多要求.中苏相互的期望和要求不一至,又都不让,也就只好分列了.
8#
发表于 2007-11-9 14:30:16 | 只看该作者

朝鲜战争是50年以前,如果我没记错的话

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发表于 2007-11-9 15:13:04 | 只看该作者
you are right.
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发表于 2007-11-9 15:31:09 | 只看该作者
别说是朝鲜战争,就是越战都是落后时期,那时还不像现在的信息时代信息战,上甘岭藏山洞还能挺一号,现在你再藏山洞试试,那时的空中力量仍然是支援型的,现在绝对是主战力量,步兵只起到看和指示的作用,同时卫星和无人侦察机可以在你的军队集结时就派空中力量把你一锅端了。
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发表于 2007-11-9 16:07:52 | 只看该作者
什么话,用毛泽东思想武装起来的解放军是要在地下集结的,不信你去问张召忠教授  
最初由[condition zero]发布
别说是朝鲜战争,就是越战都是落后时期,那时还不像现在的信息时代信息战,上甘岭藏山洞还能挺一号,现在你再藏山洞试试,那时的空中力量仍然是支援型的,现在绝对是主战力量,步兵只起到看和指示的作用,同时卫星和无人侦察机可以在你的军队集结时就派空中力量把你一锅端了。
12#
发表于 2007-11-9 18:02:05 | 只看该作者
真的假的?
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发表于 2007-11-9 18:04:41 | 只看该作者
最初由[hack]发布


这为老兄还在那包着寒颤不放.你老多大岁数了?你不理解什么是指数级的发展? 知道技术发展的速度早把3, 40年前的东西(思想和设备)都扫进垃圾桶了.
要比勇敢,自卫的决心, 阿富汗人,伊拉克人等比美国人(联合国军人)勇敢不知多少倍. 但要比战略战术,设备武器,就没法比了.线在什么状况也是明显的.现在的社会是丛林原理. 野牛再强也没法吃掉老虎,虽然有时候老虎面对野牛也得让一让.
你还韩战呢,要不是当时的苏联支持,放一百个胆给毛,也不敢和美国军斗.更不要谈什么正一非正仪了.

说白了韩战是美苏在斗,而中国只是当炮灰而已.毛当然知道这点,所以后来就为中国向苏提很多要求.中苏相互的期望和要求不一至,又都不让,也就只好分列了.

前苏联在朝鲜战争中确实起到了一定作用(主要是向中国提供了常规武器弹药), 使得战争双方的武器装备相差得不之于太悬殊.

但朝鲜战争是一场常规战争, 是中国人民志愿军与美国为首的联合国军之间的常规战争. 这是历史的事实, 咋就被你"说白了" 变成了"美苏"之间的战争了呢?

Factors Shaping the Future of War

To understand the potential shape of the fourth generation of war, we must look at the political, economic, and social changes in society as well as the changes in technology since the advent of the third generation of war.

Politically the world has undergone vast changes. The third generation of war developed when international relations were defined in terms of the European nation states that dominated them. In contrast, the fourth generation of war is coming of age during a period of exponential increase in the number and type of players on the international scene.

While the outward trappings of the international system are still in place, there have been massive changes in how it really operates. Besides the huge increase in the number of nation states, there has been a fundamental change in the type of player involved in international affairs. Nation states still remain the primary actors, but increasingly international actors in the form of the United Nations, North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the European Community, Organization of African Unity, and a wide variety of nongovernmental organizations are making themselves felt in the international arena. In addition, transnational actors in the form of the media, religious movements, terrorist groups, drug cartels, and others influence international relations. Finally, subnational groups (e.g., the Zulus, the Serbs, the Kurds, and the Palestinians) are attempting to elevate their issues from matters of internal politics to a level of international concern.

Economically, the world is becoming both much more heavily intertwined and simultaneously more divided—intertwined in terms of trade, divided in terms of wealth distribution. For both rich and poor countries, this economic integration has resulted in a steady and significant reduction in their sovereignty. In 1918 states exercised virtually absolute control over what nations they traded with, the interest rates within their own nations, the tariffs they charged, and the information they released. The rapid integration of world economies has resulted in major restrictions on in the ability of nation states to exercise these and other traditional instruments of nation sovereignty—to include the unilateral use of military power.

Socially, we are developing international networks in virtually every field of endeavor. There has been an exponential increase in the number of transnational business associations, research groups, academic societies, and even hobbyists who maintain contact through a wide variety of media. These networks tie people together in distinctly nontraditional ways. As a result, we no longer conduct international affairs primarily through official diplomatic and military channels. Further, these associations provide a rapidly increasing flow of nonofficial information between societies and a weakening of the links tying the citizen to his nation state. Simultaneously, as national bonds become less important, allegiance to subnational groups based on ethnic, religious, or cultural ties are increasing. Finally, we are raising a generation completely at ease with the tools of the evolving information age. Education combined with the relatively low cost technology; has led to its rapid dissemination to all corners of the globe.

In essence, the world is organizing itself in a series of interconnected networks that while in contact with other networks are not controlled by them. Simultaneously, nation states find themselves torn in two directions-upward toward the international security, trade, and social organizations and downward by subnational movements that want to splinter the state.

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Tactically, fourth generation war will:

Be fought in a complex arena of low-intensity conflict.

Include tactics/techniques from earlier generations.

Be fought across the spectrum of political, social, economic, and military networks.

Be fought worldwide through these networks.

Involve a mix of national, international, transnational, and subnational actors.

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Fourth generation war will require much more intelligence gathering and analytical and dissemination capability to serve a highly flexible, interagency command system. At the same time, the fact that fourth generation war will include elements of earlier generations of war means our forces must be prepared to deal with these aspects too.
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发表于 2007-11-10 01:29:49 | 只看该作者
最初由[hack]发布


这为老兄还在那包着寒颤不放.你老多大岁数了?你不理解什么是指数级的发展? 知道技术发展的速度早把3, 40年前的东西(思想和设备)都扫进垃圾桶了.
要比勇敢,自卫的决心, 阿富汗人,伊拉克人等比美国人(联合国军人)勇敢不知多少倍. 但要比战略战术,设备武器,就没法比了.线在什么状况也是明显的.现在的社会是丛林原理. 野牛再强也没法吃掉老虎,虽然有时候老虎面对野牛也得让一让.
你还韩战呢,要不是当时的苏联支持,放一百个胆给毛,也不敢和美国军斗.更不要谈什么正一非正仪了.

说白了韩战是美苏在斗,而中国只是当炮灰而已.毛当然知道这点,所以后来就为中国向苏提很多要求.中苏相互的期望和要求不一至,又都不让,也就只好分列了.
现在美军好强啊!强大到想从伊拉克撤军!记住:空军再强大,也要陆军占领地面才行,而陆军在地面上面对的是非对称的游击战时你武器先进也没有用武之地,如果真按你说的是武器决定一切,那现在的伊拉克和阿富汗应是美军无忧无滤的逛街,而不时出入全是装甲战车啊!
人的心是不能用武器征服的,当然,如果楼上的能有心灵控制器也行啊!哈哈
15#
发表于 2007-11-11 03:02:53 | 只看该作者
这是历史的事实, 咋就被你"说白了" 变成了"美苏"之间的战争了呢?  

我说的是美苏之间的斗战,没说是战斗

说白了韩战是美苏在斗,而中国只是当炮灰而已.毛当然知道这点,所以后来就为中国向苏提很多要求.中苏相互的期望和要求不一至,又都不让,也就只好分列了. 美苏仍在不停地斗,后来为了中国的自身利益,又仗着美国斗苏修了.到了今天,自身强壮了许多,有资格玩点三脚战略了.这方面中共是很实际的,所以也就很有成果.要是在国际上玩国内的那套假大空...
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