标题: 413集会：主流社会和西人媒体怎么看? [打印本页] 作者: FBD 时间: 2008-4-14 08:11 标题: [评论]413集会：主流社会和西人媒体怎么看? Murray Maccallum 何许人也？整个一个放屁逻辑。不知这厮是不是土著人。如果不是，请它回去问问它的祖宗， 是不是定居加拿大就必须仇恨它的祖居国？本人有很多来自英国，爱尔兰的朋友，他们爱加拿大，但同时像本人一样，深深的爱着自己的祖国。如果胆敢有人对我的祖国不公，老子用血和命跟他说话。下次再有3.29，4.13类似的抗议，我肯定到。作者: MEIMEIG 时间: 2008-4-14 08:13
Today's Toronto Star didn't mention any single world about 4.13 Ottwa. They ignored 500,000 Chinese voice of GTA in purpose. I am really disappointed for th Toronto Star. I called them to stop subscript The Toronto Star,作者: 史地文 时间: 2008-4-14 08:16 标题: 红旗漫卷西风 红旗漫卷西风作者: 小心谨慎 时间: 2008-4-14 08:18 标题: 回复：红旗漫卷西风 最初由[史地文]发布 红旗漫卷西风
大约15名藏独支持者曾到达国会广场，并一度和集会者对峙。但是他们随即被集会者“包围”，而他们的声音也被集会者的口号所淹没，一声声“骗子（liars）”让他们的“西藏要自由（free Tibet）”消灭得无影无踪。对此，参加对峙的“西藏之友（Friends of Tibet）”成员Nicole Demers很是郁闷，他对记者抱怨道：“在这个自由的国家，他们（集会者）居然不让我们说自己的观点！”
大约15名藏独支持者曾到达国会广场，并一度和集会者对峙。但是他们随即被集会者“包围”，而他们的声音也被集会者的口号所淹没，一声声“骗子（liars）”让他们的“西藏要自由（free Tibet）”消灭得无影无踪。对此，参加对峙的“西藏之友（Friends of Tibet）”成员Nicole Demers很是郁闷，他对记者抱怨道：“在这个自由的国家，他们（集会者）居然不让我们说自己的观点！”
聚会意义重大, 但我们的声音要让加拿大听到还需要长期的努力!!!作者: HelenC 时间: 2008-4-14 08:46
AM1430 didn't say any words also. I confused: their audiences maybe not be counted the people coming from mainland China?
you also can sent your comments to let them hear our voice.作者: kamllle 时间: 2008-4-14 09:06 最初由[TianSheng]发布
这是一篇很客观的新闻报道。华人能够团结一起在没有共产党的领导下举行集会，表达自己的感情，确实令人鼓舞。中国人是有民主素质的。
大约15名藏独支持者曾到达国会广场，并一度和集会者对峙。但是他们随即被集会者“包围”，而他们的声音也被集会者的口号所淹没，一声声“骗子（liars）”让他们的“西藏要自由（free Tibet）”消灭得无影无踪。对此，参加对峙的“西藏之友（Friends of Tibet）”成员Nicole Demers很是郁闷，他对记者抱怨道：“在这个自由的国家，他们（集会者）居然不让我们说自己的观点！”
CTV报道的第一句更是:" 在加拿大的中国支持者们为了表达不让政治掺入奥运会的想法, 很讽刺的在加拿大的国会山庄前面举行了游行示威 作者: Sedona 时间: 2008-4-14 09:15
CTV Ottawa- Thousands protest to show support for China - CTV News ...The organizer of this demonstration provides free bus ride to people from Toronto. They also provide gas money reimburse to who drive there by car. ... www.ctvottawa.ca/servlet/an/loca ... 413/?hub=OttawaHome - 15 hours ago -作者: 小心谨慎 时间: 2008-4-14 09:20 最初由[Sedona]发布
CTV Ottawa- Thousands protest to show support for China - CTV News ...The organizer of this demonstration provides free bus ride to people from Toronto. They also provide gas money reimburse to who drive there by car. ... www.ctvottawa.ca/servlet/an/loca ... 413/?hub=OttawaHome - 15 hours ago -
老外的评论:
A. Hartshorn
I hope these Olympics are completely boycotted. China's human rights stink! They can't even feed and house their own people! They are a third world country and the stupid Olympic Committee should never have considered them for the games. Long Live Tibet (and Taiwan), and pray for freedom in China.
Richard N
I was at the demo. It was an ugly display of racial hatred. People brought some tibetans to tears telling them to "go home" and some said "we wish you were dead." Disgusting.
olympicme
It's very interesting to notice some people put words like "third world country" in their comment, at same time west label China as next superpower who possiblely over take US in coming decades.
Murray Maccallum
If things are so marvelous in China, what are all these people doing here in Canada? I do not think of myself as recist, but they need to answer the question.作者: 小心谨慎 时间: 2008-4-14 09:21
基本上说:如果着次集会是YY用的, 那么非常成功
如果目的是SHOW给加拿大人的, 那么是极其失败作者: Sedona 时间: 2008-4-14 09:21 标题: From Free Dominion There are basically three types of Chinese in Canada: CBC (Canadian Born Chinese), FOB (Fresh Off the Boat) and Hong Kong immigrants.
The CBC are culturally Canadian for most intents and purposes. The Hong Kong immigrants have generally been in Canada for a dozen years or more and many came here specifically out of a fear of a loss of the British political sensibilities due to the 1997 handover to Beijing.
However, the FOB are a wholly different group. Most are university students, many have good English skills, and many have been in Canada for several years, but that doesn't overcome 18 years of indoctrination by the communists .
They don't understand Canadian cultural values. One said to me: "Democracy would never work in China: you can't have a billion people doing whatever they want!"
It's likely the pro-Chinese protesters sincerely believe the propaganda line that they have been told by the communists in Beijing over the courtse of their lifetime.作者: 小心谨慎 时间: 2008-4-14 09:23 标题: 回复：From Free Dominion 最初由[Sedona]发布 From Free Dominion
There are basically three types of Chinese in Canada: CBC (Canadian Born Chinese), FOB (Fresh Off the Boat) and Hong Kong immigrants.
The CBC are culturally Canadian for most intents and purposes. The Hong Kong immigrants have generally been in Canada for a dozen years or more and many came here specifically out of a fear of a loss of the British political sensibilities due to the 1997 handover to Beijing.
However, the FOB are a wholly different group. Most are university students, many have good English skills, and many have been in Canada for several years, but that doesn't overcome 18 years of indoctrination by the communists .
They don't understand Canadian cultural values. One said to me: "Democracy would never work in China: you can't have a billion people doing whatever they want!"
It's likely the pro-Chinese protesters sincerely believe the propaganda line that they have been told by the communists in Beijing over the courtse of their lifetime.
there will be another round of immigration control to Chinese作者: Sedona 时间: 2008-4-14 09:26 标题: More A little additional information from Chinese immigrants forum I gathered. A small group of people keeps on spreading the words that the Western is behind Tibetans freedom movement by demonizing Chinese government. Therefore, everyone who loves China shall show “them”, the Western, the truth.
I spent sometime on the forum trying to do some fact checking with them. Soon I realized that they were not that interested in facts . They seemed to want to use this rally as a demonstration of the power of immigrants from PRC. Some of them might have political ambition in Canadian politics.
That is a little concerning to me as if all the new immigrants from China hear whence they arrive is the Western media and politicians are biased and discriminatory, they might be more segregated from the rest of society.作者: 多伦多上海人 时间: 2008-4-14 09:28 最初由[小心谨慎]发布
老外的评论:
A. Hartshorn
I hope these Olympics are completely boycotted. China's human rights stink! They can't even feed and house their own people! They are a third world country and the stupid Olympic Committee should never have considered them for the games. Long Live Tibet (and Taiwan), and pray for freedom in China.
Richard N
I was at the demo. It was an ugly display of racial hatred. People brought some tibetans to tears telling them to "go home" and some said "we wish you were dead." Disgusting.
olympicme
It's very interesting to notice some people put words like "third world country" in their comment, at same time west label China as next superpower who possiblely over take US in coming decades.
Murray Maccallum
If things are so marvelous in China, what are all these people doing here in Canada? I do not think of myself as recist, but they need to answer the question.
看看这思维方式，老外的评论？ 作者: Sedona 时间: 2008-4-14 09:30 标题: Anti-Chinese Sentiment: Mainstream Forum Biased and discriminatory? What in blazes are you muttering about?
These are people, some of them not the best and the brightest from the PRC , who have been indoctrinated by decades of Commie propaganda and disinformation . They believe that the Chinese are the superior race and culture and that the decadent West will in time be overwhelmed by Chinese ingenuity, persistence and numbers. Any segregation is strictly self imposed . Should we be allowing these people who don't wish to integrate into the prevailing culture to come here? 作者: 五色土 时间: 2008-4-14 09:31
"加拿大国会西藏之友会主席(Canadian Parliamentary Friends of Tibet)、参议员迪尼诺(Consiglio Di Nino)对CTV的记者表示，西藏事件其错误方为藏人而非中国政府的观点太过谬误。他表示：中国政府坚持西藏问题为中国内政的观点，在世界范围内广受争议。而且，内政也不是压迫藏人的借口，更不是否认自由和人权的理由，因自由和人权没有国界。"--------'自由和人权汉有国界“，他这岂不是鼓励中国人大可以提出议案对美国和加拿大的土著居民进行人权调查吗？亦或是鼓励华人也对美加的人权现象进行游行示威。作者: 大山侠客 时间: 2008-4-14 09:34
西方的媒体不会有什么好的报道， 也别抱太多的幻想，我们表达我们想表达的，以后要经常这样，习惯了，然后再用选票教训他们， 他们才会学乖，向训练狗一样。。。。。。 任务艰巨而且长远哦。。。 。。。作者: 多伦多上海人 时间: 2008-4-14 09:36 标题: 回复：From Free Dominion 最初由[Sedona]发布 From Free Dominion
There are basically three types of Chinese in Canada: CBC (Canadian Born Chinese), FOB (Fresh Off the Boat) and Hong Kong immigrants.
The CBC are culturally Canadian for most intents and purposes. The Hong Kong immigrants have generally been in Canada for a dozen years or more and many came here specifically out of a fear of a loss of the British political sensibilities due to the 1997 handover to Beijing.
However, the FOB are a wholly different group. Most are university students, many have good English skills, and many have been in Canada for several years, but that doesn't overcome 18 years of indoctrination by the communists .
They don't understand Canadian cultural values. One said to me: "Democracy would never work in China: you can't have a billion people doing whatever they want!"
It's likely the pro-Chinese protesters sincerely believe the propaganda line that they have been told by the communists in Beijing over the courtse of their lifetime.
Your citation reflects the thoughs of fresh off the BOAT, rather than of canadian. Canada is called as "peaceful country" other than political country.作者: 多伦多上海人 时间: 2008-4-14 09:41 标题: 回复：Anti-Chinese Sentiment: Mainstream Forum 最初由[Sedona]发布 Anti-Chinese Sentiment: Mainstream Forum
Biased and discriminatory? What in blazes are you muttering about?
These are people, some of them not the best and the brightest from the PRC , who have been indoctrinated by decades of Commie propaganda and disinformation . They believe that the Chinese are the superior race and culture and that the decadent West will in time be overwhelmed by Chinese ingenuity, persistence and numbers. Any segregation is strictly self imposed . Should we be allowing these people who don't wish to integrate into the prevailing culture to come here?
Canada was a second strong country just behind US. But Canada had been the first since CND appreciated and surpassed USD last year. 作者: 一见你就笑 时间: 2008-4-14 09:51
来加拿大就因为本国很差，这什么逻辑？加拿大人都是从其他国家过来的，是不是世界都很差，他自己不就是流亡海外的后裔，数典忘宗。作者: 多伦多上海人 时间: 2008-4-14 09:56 最初由[一见你就笑]发布
来加拿大就因为本国很差，这什么逻辑？加拿大人都是从其他国家过来的，是不是世界都很差，他自己不就是流亡海外的后裔，数典忘宗。
They are refugees and suffered bunch of pains. Please understand their emotions.作者: hezhegaigua 时间: 2008-4-14 10:00 最初由[TianSheng]发布
这是一篇很客观的新闻报道。华人能够团结一起在没有共产党的领导下举行集会，表达自己的感情，确实令人鼓舞。中国人是有民主素质的。
大约15名藏独支持者曾到达国会广场，并一度和集会者对峙。但是他们随即被集会者“包围”，而他们的声音也被集会者的口号所淹没，一声声“骗子（liars）”让他们的“西藏要自由（free Tibet）”消灭得无影无踪。对此，参加对峙的“西藏之友（Friends of Tibet）”成员Nicole Demers很是郁闷，他对记者抱怨道：“在这个自由的国家，他们（集会者）居然不让我们说自己的观点！”
Your citation reflects the thoughs of fresh off the BOAT, rather than of canadian. Canada is called as "peaceful country" other than political country.
识字吗?他们 用这个歧视性词汇: segregation
在北美洲, segregation和黑奴有关的
Racial segregation is characterized by separation of different racial groups in daily life, such as eating in a restaurant, drinking from a water fountain, using a rest room, attending school, going to the movies, or in the rental or purchase of a home.[1] Segregation may be mandated by law or exist through social norms. Segregation may be maintained by means ranging from discrimination in hiring and in the rental and sale of housing to certain races to vigilante violence such as lynchings; a situation that arises when members of different races mutually prefer to associate and do business with members of their own race would usually be described as separation or de facto separation' of the races rather than segregation. Legal segregation in both South Africa and the U.S. was required and came with "anti-miscegenation laws" (prohibitions against interracial marriage) and laws against hiring people of the race that is the object of discrimination in any but menial positions.
Segregation in hiring practices contributes to economic imbalance between the races. Segregation, however, often allowed close contact in hierarchical situations, such as allowing a person of one race to work as a servant for a member of another race. Segregation can involve spatial separation of the races, and/or mandatory use of different institutions, such as schools and hospitals by people of different races.
Racial segregation is characterized by separation of different racial groups in daily life, such as eating in a restaurant, drinking from a water fountain, using a rest room, attending school, going to the movies, or in the rental or purchase of a home.[1] Segregation may be mandated by law or exist through social norms. Segregation may be maintained by means ranging from discrimination in hiring and in the rental and sale of housing to certain races to vigilante violence such as lynchings; a situation that arises when members of different races mutually prefer to associate and do business with members of their own race would usually be described as separation or de facto separation' of the races rather than segregation. Legal segregation in both South Africa and the U.S. was required and came with "anti-miscegenation laws" (prohibitions against interracial marriage) and laws against hiring people of the race that is the object of discrimination in any but menial positions.
Segregation in hiring practices contributes to economic imbalance between the races. Segregation, however, often allowed close contact in hierarchical situations, such as allowing a person of one race to work as a servant for a member of another race. Segregation can involve spatial separation of the races, and/or mandatory use of different institutions, such as schools and hospitals by people of different races.
I noticed this word. The perception you cited doesn't come from and represent Canadian value. Whether a civilized ppl likes this word? As far as I know, refugees like it.
Am I wrong?作者: 枫叶枫叶 时间: 2008-4-14 10:13 标题: 是行使民主还是利用民主 说的很有道理。
但是，在你们少数人的游行过程中，你们用近似暴力的行为去干扰正好在那个时间和地点的更少数的人的示威和表达思想的权利。这是违背民主的原则的。Shame on you!
在这个论坛中，就有人发言说：打击民主国家的最好手段就是利用他们的民主。 自己都承认了
最初由[TianSheng]发布
大约15名藏独支持者曾到达国会广场，并一度和集会者对峙。但是他们随即被集会者“包围”，而他们的声音也被集会者的口号所淹没，一声声“骗子（liars）”让他们的“西藏要自由（free Tibet）”消灭得无影无踪。对此，参加对峙的“西藏之友（Friends of Tibet）”成员Nicole Demers很是郁闷，他对记者抱怨道：“在这个自由的国家，他们（集会者）居然不让我们说自己的观点！”
Racial segregation is characterized by separation of different racial groups in daily life, such as eating in a restaurant, drinking from a water fountain, using a rest room, attending school, going to the movies, or in the rental or purchase of a home.[1] Segregation may be mandated by law or exist through social norms. Segregation may be maintained by means ranging from discrimination in hiring and in the rental and sale of housing to certain races to vigilante violence such as lynchings; a situation that arises when members of different races mutually prefer to associate and do business with members of their own race would usually be described as separation or de facto separation' of the races rather than segregation. Legal segregation in both South Africa and the U.S. was required and came with "anti-miscegenation laws" (prohibitions against interracial marriage) and laws against hiring people of the race that is the object of discrimination in any but menial positions.
Segregation in hiring practices contributes to economic imbalance between the races. Segregation, however, often allowed close contact in hierarchical situations, such as allowing a person of one race to work as a servant for a member of another race. Segregation can involve spatial separation of the races, and/or mandatory use of different institutions, such as schools and hospitals by people of different races.
这都是八国联军成员，永远都是中国的敌对国。在这之前，没有做过好事，一万年之内，都是定了性的海盗国家。作者: 北京老匠 时间: 2008-4-14 10:44 标题: See Metro Ottawa say this words Games no place for politics: Rally
Chinese-Canadians take protest to
By Tracey Tong and Tim Wieclawski
April 14, 2008 12:12
After weeks of pro-Tibet rallies across Canada, more than 5,000 Chinese-Canadians demonstrated on Parliament Hill yesterday to call for an end to the politicizing of the upcoming Olympic Games in Beijing.
The rally protested the violence happening in the Tibet region and also that the Summer Games are being mixed up with politics, according to Adam Wang, a spokesman for the event that was also meant to show support for the “One China” policy — a principle that mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet and Taiwan are all part of China.
Derek Chin, a Carleton University commerce student who came from China five years ago, was holding a sign that read “Politics out of Olympics.”
“The news these days are all about people around the world that attacked the torch relay. We need to show support to the Olympic Games because no politics should be involved in the Olympic games. The Games are for the whole world. That’s the slogan we have, one world one dream. I don’t think any people or organization should show any kind of political involvement.”
Wang said the One China policy is a view taken by more than 100 countries, including Canada.
“The message from our community is that China is changing — economically, politically and from a human rights standpoint — for the better,” Wang said. “China is getting more important on the world stage of politics and economy.”
For the most part, the non-Chinese community is well informed on the issues, he said. “But we’re hoping this rally will give them more information. We’re hoping to raise awareness so that people can understand the other side of the story.”
Kai Shen said western media has been biased against China.
“You need to understand the history of Tibet and China before you decide,” said the Ottawa chemist. “Without that knowledge, you cannot say anything.”作者: 北京老匠 时间: 2008-4-14 10:47 标题: 翻译成中文 游戏没有地方政治：反弹
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请问！国外的媒体让我们自由表达过自己的观点吗？！作者: Softlanding 时间: 2008-4-14 11:17 标题: English media not fair? Yes or No "Western media not fair ..." that is what you guy want to say, and has been crying all these days.right?
NOW, WE JUST DO NOT REPORT ANYTHING IN OUR NEWS
from CBC作者: 加国莫愁 时间: 2008-4-14 11:21
借用你所发表的......比较适合我们海外华人和学子的心声.....
大约15名藏独支持者曾到达国会广场，并一度和集会者对峙。但是他们随即被集会者“包围”，而他们的声音也被集会者的口号所淹没，一声声“骗子（liars）”让他们的“西藏要自由（free Tibet）”消灭得无影无踪。对此，参加对峙的“西藏之友（Friends of Tibet）”成员Nicole Demers很是郁闷，他对记者抱怨道：“在这个自由的国家，他们（集会者）居然不让我们说自己的观点！”
This is a PR job. Merely reading and posting onlines within the Chinese community in Chinese achieves little. You DO NOT need to convince your fellow Chinese, but to counter a large scale PR smear job. Show your face and your voice to the outside. Improve our English.
For the people who didn't make it, here is what I have to say:
I know many very interested friends who didn't make it. I almost joined the "almost made it" crowd too. Don't worry. There will likely be future opportunities leading up to the Olympics Games, who know how events may unfold [see some links below for the concern]. But to parrot NYC FD charity donation commerical that you can hear all the time on Bloomberg News - "We've become a nation that almost gives. Don't almost give. Give."
If you have money, donate money. If you don't have money (which I doubt), donate your time, show your face. Merely reading and posting onlines within the Chinese community in Chinese achieves little. You DO NOT need to convince your fellow Chinese, but to counter a large scale PR smear job. Show your face.
red
希望将来的活动当作当作公关任务对待, 选清听众对象, 要有针对性, 没有必要社区内部搞的火热, 老外够不知道你在说啥.公关, 不是事实和理论就可以的, it's not about facts and reasons, but
about the perception of facts and reasons.作者: maplegirl 时间: 2008-4-14 11:36
近些年来中国改革开放搞活经济的鹏飞吓坏了西方政客们，他们惧怕中国的进步，这对他们是致命的威胁，所以要抓住一切可以抓住的稻草进行攻击，对于西藏的真相他们根本不关心。
4.13集会不过是我们这些炎黄子孙以自信、有理有制、创造性的方式追求公正。是为了让世人明白真相的一种方式。
所以，不论任何敌对声音，我们都不要怕，中国人自古以来怕过谁？现在就更不需要怕了！作者: hezhegaigua 时间: 2008-4-14 11:39 标题: 回复：English media not fair? Yes or No 最初由[Softlanding]发布 English media not fair? Yes or No
"Western media not fair ..." that is what you guy want to say, and has been crying all these days.right?
NOW, WE JUST DO NOT REPORT ANYTHING IN OUR NEWS
from CBC
At least, this is the one way of solving the problem temporarily and avoiding fight. You guys are too aggressive.作者: juroro 时间: 2008-4-14 11:40
We need a big Chinese organizaion here. Chinese's invoice is ignored here. We are treated very unfair. We should act from now. Don't stop!作者: 小庄 时间: 2008-4-14 11:42 标题: 如果照片是真的,那就是天大的丑闻啊,中国自己阴谋组织抢奥运火炬,怎么得了啊 袭击火炬手金晶到底是何方神圣？(照片见原文,链接在文章最后)
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中国中央电视台阴谋组织抢奥运火炬,怎么得了啊作者: 北国飘逸 时间: 2008-4-14 11:42 标题: 回复：why no report in English media? 最初由[Softlanding]发布 why no report in English media?
Here is Canada.
Want to sell something? Packing it right,make it attractive, in the language I can understand
I will buy it next time if you can do your job right
I am here to listen to 2 sides, not here to start with arguing
a CBC
(Chinese-Born Canadian)
Yes, this is the fundamental problem with the Chinese community, knows nothing about PR. Keep up with the internal discussion, encouraging each other, writing more in Chinese, so that nobody can understand what you are trying to say.
Wake up! The event was a complete failure from the PR perspective. A success ONLY in the Chinese own eyes.
In fact, most people DO NOT even understand the CTV news report was quite cynical and somewhat negative towards the event. Please go back and re-read it.
If you don't even get it when someone swears at you, I guess you are blessed ?
Wake up.作者: 不是故意 时间: 2008-4-14 11:43 标题: 灭有“党”的领导，群众运动最终被帝国主义妖魔化。 海外盲流们，一贯反对国内党的领导，现在看看，除了伟大的党以外，谁还能在同国际老牌帝国主义的斗争中苟延残喘？
The products "Made-in-China" can not be sold if you pack it wrong.
This is a political product, a view ... That is what we want to sell.
Make it right, pack it nice, find the right distribution channels ... If you can make it interesting, they will probably buy it
Do not accuse them first, nice talk with some nice words
Hopefully I can be understood here作者: Softlanding 时间: 2008-4-14 12:04 标题: why so many Chinese flags? Who want to see so many Chinese flags? It is us, we Chinese and sort of Chinese
Who do you want to show to? local Canadian ... How are they going to feel ... In this way, I think it is a good thing all those English media did not report this "all-red" landscape on TV, even Chinese community TV ...Someone is trying to clean your ass
Why do not just have a few BIG BIG BIG Chinese flags, and thousands of Canada flags? think about image
If my words make some guys out there uncomfortable, sorry for that ... I am part of you作者: vjsw1 时间: 2008-4-14 12:07 最初由[TianSheng]发布
这是一篇很客观的新闻报道。华人能够团结一起在没有共产党的领导下举行集会，表达自己的感情，确实令人鼓舞。中国人是有民主素质的。
大约15名藏独支持者曾到达国会广场，并一度和集会者对峙。但是他们随即被集会者“包围”，而他们的声音也被集会者的口号所淹没，一声声“骗子（liars）”让他们的“西藏要自由（free Tibet）”消灭得无影无踪。对此，参加对峙的“西藏之友（Friends of Tibet）”成员Nicole Demers很是郁闷，他对记者抱怨道：“在这个自由的国家，他们（集会者）居然不让我们说自己的观点！”
西方国家的所谓民只不过是一种幌子, 他们的愚弄百姓的骗术更高一筹. 在西方国家无理可讲. 你作合法了的事,they can pass a new law and let you doing things illegal, let you bancrapcy.作者: 扫描仪 时间: 2008-4-14 12:09 标题: 回复：是行使民主还是利用民主 最初由[枫叶枫叶]发布 是行使民主还是利用民主
We have some views to share ... We are going to fight in our own way. Interested? email me your contact. OK?作者: Dell-P3 时间: 2008-4-14 12:20
Metro Toronto 上一次大幅头版头条报道了几个藏毒的游行。这一次只字未提4/13活动：
下面是他们的EMAIL：
[email protected]作者: Sedona 时间: 2008-4-14 12:21 标题: 回复：why so many Chinese flags? 最初由[Softlanding]发布 why so many Chinese flags?
Whao want to see so many Chinese flags? It is us, we Chinese and sort of Chinese
Who do you want to show to? local Canadian ... How are they going to feel ... In this way, I think it is a good thing all those English media did not report this "all-red" landscape on TV, even Chinese community TV
Why do not just have a few BIG BIG BIG Chinese flags, and thousands of Canada flags? think about image
If my words make some guys out there uncomfortable, sorry for that ... I am part of you
中国人什么都假.CBC也是假的.中式英语错漏百出作者: 小心谨慎 时间: 2008-4-14 12:22 标题: 回复：回复：why so many Chinese flags? 最初由[Sedona]发布 回复：why so many Chinese flags?
中国人什么都假.CBC也是假的.中式英语错漏百出
免费大巴, 免费午餐, 免费爱国...... 作者: 多伦多上海人 时间: 2008-4-14 12:24 标题: 回复：why no report in English media? 最初由[Softlanding]发布 why no report in English media?
Here is Canada.
Want to sell something? Packing it right,make it attractive, in the language I can understand
I will buy it next time if you can do your job right
I am here to listen to 2 sides, not here to start with arguing
a CBC
(Chinese-Born Canadian)
Good point.作者: 北国飘逸 时间: 2008-4-14 12:32 标题: 回复：灭有“党”的领导，群众运动最终被帝国主义妖魔化。 最初由[不是故意]发布 灭有“党”的领导，群众运动最终被帝国主义妖魔化。
If you can't understand your enemy, can make your enemy understand, what can you achieve ?作者: kamllle 时间: 2008-4-14 12:38 标题: 回复：回复：灭有“党”的领导，群众运动最终被帝国主义妖魔化。 最初由[北国飘逸]发布 回复：灭有“党”的领导，群众运动最终被帝国主义妖魔化。
愚昧无知! 葬送革命的就是你们这样的.
If you can't understand your enemy, can make your enemy understand, what can you achieve ?
中文本来就是枯草，中国人除了搞脑子，阶级斗争，根本没有幽默，所以搞公关我们一定输，还有外形还不如搞西藏独立的人，搞搞流氓，可能会赢 作者: 巴林顿将军 时间: 2008-4-14 12:39 标题: 回复：there are three types of Chinese here 最初由[Sedona]发布 From Free Dominion
There are basically three types of Chinese in Canada: CBC (Canadian Born Chinese), FOB (Fresh Off the Boat) and Hong Kong immigrants.
The CBC are culturally Canadian for most intents and purposes. The Hong Kong immigrants have generally been in Canada for a dozen years or more and many came here specifically out of a fear of a loss of the British political sensibilities due to the 1997 handover to Beijing.
However, the FOB are a wholly different group. Most are university students, many have good English skills, and many have been in Canada for several years, but that doesn't overcome 18 years of indoctrination by the communists .
They don't understand Canadian cultural values. One said to me: "Democracy would never work in China: you can't have a billion people doing whatever they want!"
It's likely the pro-Chinese protesters sincerely believe the propaganda line that they have been told by the communists in Beijing over the courtse of their lifetime.
that is SO TRUE! those FOB thought they REPRESENT ALL CHINESE, so sad they cannot get rid of their brainwashed thinking, even when they are free, sad...作者: kamllle 时间: 2008-4-14 12:47
提示: 该帖被管理员或版主屏蔽作者: 以诚待人 时间: 2008-4-14 12:48 标题: 这个大会发言人真是这么说得吗？ 把西方主流媒体歪曲事实、误导民众的恶行一笔勾销了！
For the most part, the non-Chinese community is well informed on the issues, he said.
爱国贼, 无过于此 作者: 巴林顿将军 时间: 2008-4-14 13:00 标题: we do need a BIG Chinese organization 最初由[juroro]发布
We need a big Chinese organizaion here. Chinese's invoice is ignored here. We are treated very unfair. We should act from now. Don't stop!
Yes yes, we definitely need to have an organization that is big enough to accommodate Tibetan, Taiwanese, and Xinjiang people as well---I believe they all desperately wants to be part of China, is not that right? By the way, why do I only see those Tibetans who is against Chinese, where are those "majority" who love to be part of great China? what, there is not any?
Are not we here to express ourselves that we want to be a big happy family? or just show off to the world that we are already a happy family, even thought the wife does not agree?作者: 高楼林立 时间: 2008-4-14 13:06 标题: 干吗那么在意什么鸟媒体. 既然他们不把你当人看，你何苦那么在意他们的反应？到渥太华示示威，自己高兴就足够了。要么就学印度，软到底，当三孙子，当然得到多多的夸奖，要么就学美国，我行我素，根本就不在意你别人怎么想。媒体就是苍蝇，你没臭味，他不来。人家被报道可是有代价的，自己绑个炸弹什么的。值吗？作者: 三白 时间: 2008-4-14 13:17
A bunch of men and women without brain had a huge party to entertain themselves. Do you think it is worth reporting?
CBC is saving tax payers' money.作者: juroro 时间: 2008-4-14 13:25 标题: 回复：we do need a BIG Chinese organization 最初由[巴林顿将军]发布 we do need a BIG Chinese organization
家门不幸， 出了你这种败类！
Yes yes, we definitely need to have an organization that is big enough to accommodate Tibetan, Taiwanese, and Xinjiang people as well---I believe they all desperately wants to be part of China, is not that right? By the way, why do I only see those Tibetans who is against Chinese, where are those "majority" who love to be part of great China? what, there is not any?
Are not we here to express ourselves that we want to be a big happy family? or just show off to the world that we are already a happy family, even thought the wife does not agree?作者: 乱弹琴 时间: 2008-4-14 13:29
自由党控制的左派媒体终于暴露出丑陋的一面，环球邮报，星报这些自由党报纸现在全装孙子去了。作者: kamllle 时间: 2008-4-14 13:40
看看照片，我们会得到英文媒体的报道吗
http://www.buduo.cdd.cn/upfile/14490/884E758E-C53E-421D-9BEA-F01A6E9AAF5A.JPG作者: Bruce C 时间: 2008-4-14 13:51 标题: We need to hire a lawyer to sue media I remember sometime ago, on TVs, they always show nepal police supressing protestors and blame China for it. Then I saw Maclean's magazine display Nepal police chasing and beating lama and blame China for it. We need to teach these liars a lesson. The best way is to hire a lawyer and sue these liars with a large amount, like 100 million dollars. Otherwise, they will just continue to spread these lies. Afer that, we can continue to sue other media like CNN ...作者: 怡心电脑 时间: 2008-4-14 13:54 标题: 表达观点可以，骗人就不行 作者: 小心谨慎 时间: 2008-4-14 13:55 标题: 回复：We need to hire a lawyer to sue media 最初由[Bruce C]发布 We need to hire a lawyer to sue media
I remember sometime ago, on TVs, they always show nepal police supressing protestors and blame China for it. Then I saw Maclean's magazine display Nepal police chasing and beating lama and blame China for it. We need to teach these liars a lesson. The best way is to hire a lawyer and sue these liars with a large amount, like 100 million dollars. Otherwise, they will just continue to spread these lies. Afer that, we can continue to sue other media like CNN ...
１． 我查了查你发表的所有回复，以前你是支持ＦＬＧ的轮子，怎么现在又变成ＺＤ的支持者了。
２． 中文是枯草，怎么你也来吃了；中国人高脑子，怎么你也会？．．．
３． 综上所述，你是一个忘了你祖宗的汉奸，你真丢你爸的人呀作者: 沧海孤帆 时间: 2008-4-14 14:09 最初由[cold laugh]发布
A bunch of men and women without brain had a huge party to entertain themselves. Do you think it is worth reporting?
见好就收吧，ctv是唯一给了你们一个露脸机会的媒体，那些只字不提你们的，连借口都没给你们。作者: 中国节 时间: 2008-4-14 14:19 最初由[cold laugh]发布
A bunch of men and women without brain had a huge party to entertain themselves. Do you think it is worth reporting?
CBC is saving tax payers' money.
People don't check out the website when they don't have brain.作者: FREE TEXAS 时间: 2008-4-14 14:19
[IFRAME]http://www.youtube.com/v/3-o4fVtRf84&hl=en[/IFRAME]作者: FREE TEXAS 时间: 2008-4-14 14:21
[IFRAME]http://www.youtube.com/v/Y1V1RN2Gshc&hl=en[/IFRAME]作者: goone 时间: 2008-4-14 14:44 标题: 回复：回复：回复：why so many Chinese flags? 最初由[小心谨慎]发布 回复：回复：why so many Chinese flags?
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Hi, guy!
There are lot of people drove there , they asked nothing, even 1 cent.
I donated 100 US$, don't think other people same as you, a looser!作者: 小心谨慎 时间: 2008-4-14 14:46
提示: 该帖被管理员或版主屏蔽作者: DONMILLSfinch 时间: 2008-4-14 14:48
加拿大是死不见TIAN的人间地狱。
we came here does not mean we have to forget about our motherland, there are thousnds of canadian around the world, does this mean they do not have human right in canada? does this mean they have to hate canada?
Mr.MM, use brain to think not your ass!作者: steelecase 时间: 2008-4-14 15:38 标题: 原来是美国资本 413华人大集会，声势浩大，加拿大少见。就是主流社会也很少有这么大规模的政治性抗议集会。怎么说也是一件大事。加拿大 CTV 率先播报。看了内容，基本还算公证。但是，CITY TV 和 680 电台仍旧不肯播放。我电话和EMAIL多次，但是都无任何反应。查了一下，发现原来这个电视台和电台竟然是美国资本! 惊人！原来美国也控制着加拿大的舆论！我还要再查查是否犹太人。作者: 单枪匹马 时间: 2008-4-14 15:41 标题: 回复：灭有“党”的领导，群众运动最终被帝国主义妖魔化。 最初由[不是故意]发布 灭有“党”的领导，群众运动最终被帝国主义妖魔化。
