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发表于 2017-3-10 10:14:57 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 严禁回复我 于 2017-3-10 10:16 编辑
griffiel 发表于 2017-3-10 09:31
"通州屠杀日侨,和南京大屠杀,都应该记录在史书上",可以啊,通州记录一页,南京大虐杀记录127页。
通州2 ...

问题是有时间先后的问题。

俗话说一个巴掌拍不响,你知道通州事件后日本国内的报道、民众的反应和日本政府高层决心要严惩中国的坚强意志和决心吗?去看看当年的新闻报道档案吧。把通州换成多伦多,如果加拿大人如此残酷冷血屠杀华侨而导致中加战事升级,双方开战,中国进出加国,占领多伦多后解放军满怀仇恨为死难的同胞报仇而杀戮多伦多平民,你意如何?
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发表于 2017-3-10 10:42:27 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 严禁回复我 于 2017-3-10 11:45 编辑
griffiel 发表于 2017-3-10 10:21
我就知道你很闲,气性很大,做事还蛮认真,讲事实,但也难免偏见,因而不太能包容对方意见——伤痛不至于 ...

我是加拿大人,我希望加方保持中立,不参与别国之间的历史事件纠纷,更不要干涉中国内政。

希望生活在多元文化里的各族裔和谐共处,不要挑事,不应把原居地两国的历史仇怨复制到这片和平美丽的土地上。在这里,不分种族,不计较历史,大家都是兄弟姐妹。没有历史宿怨,没有现时的新仇。反思战争,忘掉私怨。否则,这民族与民族之间历史上的仇杀事件永远也纪念不完。

化干戈为玉帛,相逢一笑泯恩仇,看看日美、日英、英美、德美、德法之间对待历史恩怨的大度,再看看中韩日三国间的争吵,一对比,就看出东西方文明真的不在一个层次上。


记住:德国从未向任何被侵略国道过歉,被侵略国也无一国要求德国道歉。纽伦堡法庭的大门一关闭,历史就翻过了沉重的一页。一切从新开始;否则,怨怨相报何时了?
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发表于 2017-3-10 11:49:52 | 显示全部楼层
griffiel 发表于 2017-3-10 11:07
尊重人命排在第一位是文明社会的共识,政治权谋只能排第二,我尊重你的考量,但我也早有权衡。
有了反思, ...

国人还是大国小民的气量!
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发表于 2017-3-10 12:04:41 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 严禁回复我 于 2017-3-10 12:06 编辑
griffiel 发表于 2017-3-10 11:58
不把气量放在人命之前,这才能叫人呐。

翻翻中外交战的历史吧,你就会明白:中国人是最不尊重生命的民族之(尤其是不尊重同胞的生命)!比如我大清是如何虐杀英法使者,是如何杀死德日公使,包围攻打使馆,乱杀使节家眷,屠杀传教士及其家眷而招致8国联军的。请问,这要不要英法和8国搞个纪念日?要求中方道歉赎罪?
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发表于 2017-3-10 12:15:50 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 严禁回复我 于 2017-3-10 12:18 编辑
griffiel 发表于 2017-3-10 12:10
海外华人只是建馆,又没要求道歉赎罪,你急个什么劲啊?
8国人民如果有需要的话,也可以要求在现居第三国 ...

问题是,中国历史教科书根本就没写这个“因”,却只提自己挨打的果。通州事件竟然一字不提。挑事时群情激昂,挨打后满地打滚,四处喊冤。

这样的人在生活中有不幸有人同情吗?再挑事有人为你辩护吗?这种人在生活中我们称之为什么?
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发表于 2017-3-10 12:17:10 | 显示全部楼层
griffiel 发表于 2017-3-10 12:10
海外华人只是建馆,又没要求道歉赎罪,你急个什么劲啊?
8国人民如果有需要的话,也可以要求在现居第三国 ...

签名是建馆?议员是海外华人?中国政府和人民没要求日本为二战道歉?
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本帖最后由 严禁回复我 于 2017-3-10 12:42 编辑
Tomm007 发表于 2017-3-10 12:18
独立评论
作者: 张鹤慈   
冯学荣谈史还是哗众取宠的营销? 2014-02-16 23:35:28  [点击:2726]

中国人对待中外古今历史连诚实都做不到,还敢谈做人?!笑话!
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发表于 2017-3-10 12:41:28 | 显示全部楼层
griffiel 发表于 2017-3-10 12:37
你这就是典型的顾左右而言他。
建馆=要求道歉?中国政府跟你有仇,你就仇恨中国土地上的一切?做人不能太 ...

然而,龚半伦是汉族英雄。他摧毁的是满清殖民者暴君皇帝的私家园林,那里是汉族人民的血汗,他这样就等于我给苏联红军带路摧毁长春的伪皇宫一样。这样的带路党乃民族英雄是也!值得后人敬仰。
做人就要龚半伦!
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发表于 2017-3-10 12:43:47 | 显示全部楼层
Tomm007 发表于 2017-3-10 12:35
冯学荣为刽子手强辩者,可耻!
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作者: 盛京废人  ?时间:2016-10-28 09:40?来源: 察网 浏览:25 ...

我操,那还有一些日本学者为中方利益辩护呢,你怎么骂这些日本人?也可耻吗?
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发表于 2017-3-10 12:44:57 | 显示全部楼层
Tomm007 发表于 2017-3-10 12:35
冯学荣为刽子手强辩者,可耻!
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作者: 盛京废人  ?时间:2016-10-28 09:40?来源: 察网 浏览:25 ...

南京市慈善堂当时根本就没营业,早关门了,埋尸一事纯属造假虚构。
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发表于 2017-3-10 12:46:39 | 显示全部楼层
Tomm007 发表于 2017-3-10 12:35
冯学荣为刽子手强辩者,可耻!
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作者: 盛京废人  ?时间:2016-10-28 09:40?来源: 察网 浏览:25 ...

你知道有多少中方士兵是被自己的督战队机枪扫射屠杀的吗?那可真是堵满了城门而人车不能通过。
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发表于 2017-3-10 12:47:37 | 显示全部楼层
Tomm007 发表于 2017-3-10 12:35
冯学荣为刽子手强辩者,可耻!
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作者: 盛京废人  ?时间:2016-10-28 09:40?来源: 察网 浏览:25 ...

自己没独立研究过这段史实就别来跟我论历史细节!
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发表于 2017-3-10 13:22:18 | 显示全部楼层
口可口非 发表于 2017-3-10 13:05
这个有点狡辩
儿子杀老子、老子杀儿子
这些事不经常发生吗

问题是中方把所有尸体一律统计为日军屠杀的数字。
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发表于 2017-3-10 13:24:00 | 显示全部楼层
Tomm007 发表于 2017-3-10 12:59
两回事,联系不到一起!
好像日军指挥官在旅顺还砍过自己的儿子。

旅顺大屠杀的因是中方民众先虐杀日军战俘,而后招致日军报复的果。
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发表于 2017-3-10 13:44:37 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 严禁回复我 于 2017-3-10 13:59 编辑
griffiel 发表于 2017-3-10 13:39
那日军报复得有理咯?你邻居的仇家连杀一条街报复,弄你死也是优待优待滴?
倒是日军来中国者不善,睚眦 ...

Recently, two legislative bodies in Ontario have waded into a historical minefield. On Dec. 5, Liberal MPP Soo Wong introduced a private member’s bill (Bill 79) at Queen’s Park to designate Dec. 13 as Nanjing Massacre Commemoration Day. Four days later, Toronto City Councillor Jim Karygiannis asked his colleagues to “recognize the Nanjing Massacre as a crime against humanity and to honour the memory of the men, women and children who died.” Bill 79 has passed second reading and is now in committee; the Toronto City Council resolution is a done deal.

This is a mistake.

The Nanjing Massacre was truly a ghastly event. On Dec. 13, 1937, the Imperial Japanese Army entered the city of Nanjing and, in clear violation of the laws of war, committed widespread atrocities against a defenceless civilian population, killing perhaps as many as 300,000 (the actual number will never be known).

Horrors such as this are certainly worthy of commemoration. But these two legislative initiatives are not about remembering innocent civilian victims: they are about demonizing Japan. As such, they dishonour the victims by instrumentalizing them for crass political purposes.

For three years, my colleagues and I at the Centre for International Governance Innovation have been engaged in a project titled “Confidence, Trust, and Empathy in Asia-Pacific Security,” the goal of which has been to reduce the dangers of conflict in an economically vital but politically explosive part of the world by finding ways of reducing mutual misperceptions of threat. True security rests upon a foundation of trust, a special kind of confidence grounded in the knowledge that another means you no harm. This knowledge, in turn, requires empathy, or the capacity to see the world from another’s perspective. In East Asia, empathy is in short supply.

In recent years, China has fanned the flames of anti-Japanese sentiment, partly for cynical reasons (an external enemy enhances national cohesion and regime legitimacy), and partly because many Chinese honestly believe that Japan is nostalgic for its imperial, militarist past, and continues to pose a latent threat to the mainland. It is hardly surprising that they believe this: China’s government-controlled media keep telling them so. Chinese citizens are fed a steady diet of anti-Japanese propaganda in the press and in the form of late-night television dramas depicting the heroic struggle of Chinese soldiers against barbaric wartime Japanese invaders. The Nanjing Massacre figures heavily in these anti-Japanese narratives.

"Bill 79 effectively endorses and encourages misperceptions of Japan."        
In fact, long ago — and repeatedly — the government of Japan acknowledged and repented of the country’s imperial sins in Nanjing and elsewhere. While a handful of arch-nationalist revisionist cranks refuse to do so, they speak only for themselves. Sadly, the cranks get all of the attention. As a result, many people mistakenly believe that Tokyo denies that the Nanjing Massacre even took place.

Japan today is among the least militarist countries in the world. It is also a vibrant, successful, stable democracy where the rule of law and human rights prevail. Most Japanese today see their own government as the primary source of their wartime suffering, and have responded by internalizing anti-militarism. Since 1945, Japan has been a responsible and constructive member of the international community.

In short: Japan has learned from, and has moved beyond, its imperial past. It is hardly a country worth demonizing.

Bill 79 and Toronto City Council’s efforts to single out the Nanjing Massacre for commemoration effectively endorse and encourage misperceptions of Japan. As a result, they work against, not for, stability in East Asia. This is not the Canadian way. Canadians are peacemakers and bridge-builders, not pawns in others’ domestic and geopolitical games. Canadians promote empathy; they do not work to undermine it.

One finds ample evidence of lack of empathy in Japan as well, of course, where China’s anti-Japanese propaganda is commonly seen as part of a larger geopolitical project to rebuild a hegemonic Middle Kingdom order that would reduce smaller neighbouring countries to vassals or tributaries. This is an unfounded fear. China has enough trouble managing its own domestic challenges. Above all, China wants peace, prosperity, international respect, and a voice in regional and global governance commensurate with its size and economic weight.

Japan has learned from, and has moved beyond, its imperial past.

There are hyper-nationalist Chinese cranks, too, of course, and nervous Japanese can be forgiven for overestimating their importance, just as Chinese overestimate the importance of Japanese cranks. But while the Japanese commonly overestimate the Chinese “threat,” they do not respond by demonizing China. There are no calls for recognizing “Great Leap Forward Day” or “Cultural Revolution Day,” even though the death toll in both cases dwarfed that of Nanjing.

There are additional reasons to oppose Bill 79 and bemoan the Toronto City Council resolution:

first, they threaten to undermine harmony here at home. More than 100,000 Ontarians have roots in Japan, and more than 700,000 have roots in China. Nothing good can come from fanning the flames of ethnic hatred here — except, perhaps, for cynical vote-counting politicians.

Second, these measures are dangerous precedents. By taking sides in one case, Queen’s Park would invite — and Toronto City Council already has invited — others to do the same. Ontario in general, and Toronto in particular, have more diverse populations than anywhere else in the world. There are not enough days on the calendar to commemorate every historical atrocity that drives an ethno-nationalist grievance.

There are occasions, of course, when it is appropriate for outsiders to recognize historical atrocities: for example, when the responsible state itself fails to do so. At present, for example, 29 countries and 49 of 50 U.S. states have formally recognized the Armenian Genocide. International recognition in this case both raises awareness and holds the Turkish government’s feet to the moral fire. But what is in want of awareness in East Asia is not the Nanjing Massacre, but Japan’s repentance and the lessons it has learned.

Let us hope that the Ontario legislature sees the wisdom of avoiding this particular minefield before more damage is done. No one could possibly object to commemorating the innocent victims of war; but if we are to do so, let us make the commemoration inclusive, in true Canadian fashion, rather than divisive.
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