法官对李向东发出的隔离令意味着什么?

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最初由[Sedona]发布
He is an abuser

I don't know if a court order is sufficient to conclude if Mr. Lee is an abuser in a video.

A court order is no monkey's business; it is the foundation of social stability.

Probably some of us don't believe the Justice System and wanted Mr. Lee to challenge it;  But before the Court make any changes for him, he is an abuser, though some believe in his tears and story sharing.

It doesn't make sense to argue if Mr. Lee is justified to get a restraining order or not, if he thinks he is wronged, please go to appeal.

Currently, we are discussing the Domestic Violence incident based on the fact that he got a restraining order or no contact order, I don't know exactly which.

It doesn't make sense that we simply believe in his story, his tears. What we are able to believe is the Justice System, we have to follow the court order which protects the victim and constrain the suspect.

However, no one talking over the forum or Ping Quan Hui or Chinese Family Service is entitled to investigating, verifying who is right or wrong iexcept the Justice System. That's why some of us on this forum shared their opinions based the order rahter than guess or anticipations after listening to the story.

It is easier to tell which assumption is more logical.

Still, Mr. Lee keeps on disclosing their family secrets regarding AMANDA WU, which violates Amanda's privacy and also his daughter's privacy. If she likes, she is able to sue him.

If he really cares about how his daughter feels, he should have already stopped nagging the details how his daughter was conceived.

I am not sure if Mr. Lee is clear about what he wants now from the public or the Justice System? Or simply to revenge?

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最初由[冬雪canada]发布
Sedona       是你错了

      
  因为第一次报警打官司我就坚持不找律师，我深知事实胜於雄辩，只要让我说话，就能拆穿谎言，所以第一次官司我全胜，撤销一切指控。
  
  我要尽快打官司的目的不是要洗清我有么有罪，（因为我根本就没罪），我是要在法庭上控告我妻子的陷害罪，（在这期间有朋友来看我，我告诉他要在开庭那一天多找记者我要让所有的人都了解真相），但是我不懂，这次开庭只审理控告我的案子。


  这里再补充一点，这次开庭amnda吴又有意提出第一次官司我违背限制令回家居住的问题，法官检控官提问时，我只回答了一句：回家居住是我妻子和孩子的共同心愿，当时法官和检控官一句话没再说，只是在最后宣判时说这个问题不予追究。 [/QUOTE

真是不知道怎样回应你：有点感觉是秀才遇到兵。

如果你有第一次出庭经验，难道不知道开庭审理的是家庭暴力案；而不是你想象中的“在法庭上控告我妻子的陷害罪”。这与你的第一次出庭的得胜经验是不相符的。我是不明白你为什么不懂，这次开庭是审理控告你的案子？

如果你违反了“不得接触令”，无需AMANDA WU提出这个问题；法庭自然会有案底，他们会知道你违反的法庭令。我不明白你为什么加在AMANDA WU的身上？___我认为这是对不了解家庭暴力案及法庭程序的网友的误导!! 基于我个人的一些工作经验，我也不明白法官为什么在最后宣判时说这个问题不予追究？？请问是怎么不予追究的呢？？

由于你仍然在挑有利于你的方面讲述；没有提供完整的、客观的材料。即使SEDONA的推断有失偏差，也是由于你隐瞒事实造成的。依我的经验，SEDONA的推断不会有显著性的偏差。因为，他或她的推断是以理性、逻辑与法理的基础的。

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最初由[冬雪canada]发布
回复：我没看出来Sedona错在哪里


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   先回答这个问题：《如果你有第一次出庭经验，难道不知道开庭审理的是家庭暴力案；而不是你想象中的“在法庭上控告我妻子的陷害罪”。这与你的第一次出庭的得胜经验是不相符的。我是不明白你为什么不懂，这次开庭是审理控告你的案子？》
   

   我如果有你那样的法律经验，还至于落到现在的地步吗？
第一次官司的胜利，不过是把当时的过程全部讲清楚，由法官判定我无罪。怎么是我有经验？你太抬举我了。
    第一次违反不接触令，法院根本就不知道，所有人都没说过，第一次官司也没有问。是你把事情弄混了。
    在最后一次官司才提到上一次违反不接触令，是Amand吴有意提起的，目的很明确，你还不明白吗。
    法院之所以不追究太好理解了，因为我说的是实话。
第一次案件不存在着威胁妻子的可能，法院已经宣布我无罪，为什么还要追究那？
  至于我说Sedona说错了，是因为他的理性分析是在，以Amand吴说的都是实话，认为女人就应该是弱者，就应该是受害者的角度来推理的，你们同样也是不愿意相信Amand吴会利用加拿大偏重保护女人的法律而无中生有的事实，相信华人辅导中心总干事殴募启先生在这方面见多识广，最有发言权。还有就是他在指
责木然的不对，这才是我认为他错的地方。

没有看到这里的逻辑：

1、法庭不告诉你审理的什么案子？就开庭审理？
2、如果你一直与AMANDA WU保持在500米半径的距离之外，没有任何直接或间接的接触，会有第二次上庭吗？你在告诉我们法庭是傻瓜，没有发现你违反法庭令，又搬回去住的事实？只是因为AMANDA提出了这个问题？
3、木然的问题，已经在多处有所讨论；问题的性质已经很清楚了。
4、请仔细想想你到底想要什么？从自暴家事上面得到什么？你的一生可以这样，那么，你的女儿呢？你所做的一切真在为女儿
着想吗？如果你想要一个说法，请与平权会交涉! 如果你想要孩子的抚养权或探视权，请上法庭申请。如果没钱，可以申请法律援助，会有律师帮你打官司。

5、顺便说一句：你这样费力地上网发表各种言论，真的对你非常不利上。尤其在获得女儿的抚养权方面! 从你的言论推断你的抚养能力也是评价你是否具备良好的抚养能力的一项标准。

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最初由[冬雪canada]发布
回复：回复：回复：我没看出来Sedona错在哪里




     看来你是纸上军事家，不了解情况乱放炮。
我在拘押期间没有人能与我说话，（我不懂英语）我怎么知道审理什么案子。
   第二次上法庭不是因为我违法不接触令，是Amnda吴告我威胁她，我说了多少次，你总是错误的混绕，你也不想一想，在平权会没有发影片首映式之前，有谁看到我说过我家的事，是平权会已经伤害了孩子的隐私权，我才站出来揭露的

  另外讲述事实还因为是有一位自称是老袁的知情人编造事实欺骗别人，我才被动的说明事实，这事情总有一个先后顺序吧。
   打官司，我也是无奈之举，不得不走的一步，我早就声明不想与媒体过不去，是平权会的做法让为别无选择。

1. I did not see you understood English in your first court issue, but you knew why you were in the court. In the second court issue, you declared you did not know why you were in teh court since you did not understand English.

Does it make sense to anybody?

2. I did not see too many people on your side, the more you disclosed, the worse your situation would be.

3. I bet you are not able to get custody, probably only access after the restraining order is expired. However, you will probably start with supervised access some time later. Considering what you are doing online, I don't believe you are a great father, sensible, sensitive, or responsible.  The more you are arguing, the more hurts you put on your daughter. This is a common sense for any parent.  It seems to me revenge is more significant than your responsibility of parenting, in your eyes.

4. Restraining order is a restraining order which does tell us something, though not everything.

5. Everyone posting threads here is trying to clarify their understandings probably based on their common sense, logical thinking, life experiences, emotional preferences, work experiences, professional knowledge, and so on. There is not right or wrong in terms of each one's opinions,  we are trying to clarify some ideas and Justice systems in Canada. IF you refuse to take any idea, nor to think about any one of them, it is your problem; however, the readers will have an idea and form their own judegement.

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最初由[冬雪canada]发布
说你有病，你别难过！



  如果你是一个女人，现在就上街，拉住任何一个男人就报警，就说他说了威胁你的话，回来再讨论这个问题！

You are still misleading the public!!!!

Read these information:


Q. HOW DO I GET A ONE(restraining order)?

A. A Judge or Justice of the Peace needs certain information before s/he can grant you one of these court orders:

s/he must believe on a balance of probabilities that your fear is reasonable: this means a similar person in your position would be afraid
you cannot make emotional pleas without evidence; therefore, you should:
-   document every time the person stalked you or threatened you
-   keep any evidence of abuse such as hospital records, photographs, etc.
-   in the case of a partner/ex-partner, if applicable, evidence of his mistreatment of your children
-  for peace bonds only, document every time the person damaged your property or threatened to; take photographs, if possible.

2.
.  HOW DO I GET A RESTRAINING ORDER?

A. Usually applications for restraining orders are made as part of a larger court proceeding under the Family Law Act (FLA), but you can apply for just a restraining order. The process can take many months. It will require a formal submission, evidence and a hearing at which both sides can make their claims.

A Judge needs certain information before s/he can grant you a restraining order:

s/he must believe on a balance of probabilities that your fear is reasonable: this means a similar person in your position would be afraid;
you cannot make emotional pleas without evidence; therefore, you should:
document every time the person stalked you or threatened you
keep any evidence of abuse such as hospital records, Photographs, etc.
in the case of a partner/ex-partner, if applicable, evidence of his mistreatment of your children

These info tell us clearly how a vicitim of DV gets a restraining order.


Source: Ontario Women's Justice Network

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最初由[冬雪canada]发布
回复：回复：说你有病，你别难过！



总感觉是书呆子风格，与现实社会脱节。那么多的案例完全可以证明冤案的发生，我真的感觉累了！

Does it make sense to get a restraining order as you suggested to

如果你是一个女人，现在就上街，拉住任何一个男人就报警，就说他说了威胁你的话，回来再讨论这个问题！

Does this assumption go through your mind before you type it out? Do you think we can easlily believe in how effective your suggestions are since we don't know too much about the Justice System, particularly how a restraining order is issued?

You are still denying how you got the restraining order. We still did not see your explanations on how got it?

Do you use your mind before you shared with us how you make your girlfriend then conceiving in your very first date?

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最初由[ffgg123]发布
回复：回复：回复：说你有病，你别难过！

你在电台和网上不停暴露你老婆的隐私，我看没有多长时间可能你又会去坐牢。

Agree, I have the similar concern. Besides, he is not likely to get custody.

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最初由[冬雪canada]发布
你说的完全正确！



Q. TELL ME MORE ABOUT PEACE BONDS.

A. A peace bond...

takes place in front of a Justice of the Peace (JP)
considers threats to or acts that damage your property, as well as personal threats and acts of violence to your person or family members
also described as "entering a recognizance" or called an "810"
can last up to 12 months
if your abuser or stalker refuses to sign this document, he will be jailed for up to 12 months
a peace bond is not a criminal charge, but breaching one is an offence
Q. HOW DO I GET ONE?

A. The police do not need to be involved. Make an appointment with a Justice of the Peace (JP) at the provincial court to explain why you are seeking a Peace Bond. If the JP agrees with your concern, s/he will issue a summons requiring the other person to appear in court on a specific date.

At this appearance:

you will give evidence under oath describing why you are in need of the Peace Bond. You cannot make emotional pleas without evidence; therefore, you should:
document every time the person stalked you or threatened you
keep any evidence of abuse such as hospital records, photographs, etc.
in the case of a partner/ex-partner, if applicable, evidence of his mistreatment of your children
document every time the person damaged your property or threatened to; take photographs, if possible
the other person will have the opportunity to rebut your argument
the JP will decide whether or not the Peace Bond should be issued. S/he must believe on a balance of probabilities that your fear is reasonable: this means a similar person in your position would be afraid

Even if it was a peace bond, so what? It means he was wronged or what he did was lesser severe? Jjust look at how Peace Bond was issued.

No Contact Order refers any one of the following three:

1. Peace Bond
2. Restraining Order
3. Terms of Release