1。
Year: 1999 Make: CHEVROLET Model: CAVALIER Price: $6,999 Mileage: 80523 km
VIN: 1G1JC5248X7229593
Year/Make/Model: 1999 CHEVROLET CAVALIER
Body Style: Sedan 4 DR
Engine Type: 2.2L L4 MPI OHV 8V
Manufactured In: UNITED STATES
Search Results: 1 records found in our database
DATEREPORTED ODOMETERREADING INFORMATIONSOURCE GENERALCOMMENTS
12/31/2001 Ontario Ministry of Transportation Central Ontario Registration issued
2。
Year: 1996 Make : CHEVROLET Model: CAVALIER Price: $6,495 Mileage: 95819 km
Stock #: 861833-A Ad Code: CBXXGM Vin no: 3G1JC5241TS861833
Features: Automatic, 4 dr., 2.2, 4 cyl. , Gas, Front Wheel, White exterior, Charcoal interior, Bucket Seats, AM-FM Stereo, Driver Air Bag, Passenger Air Bag, Anti-Lock
DATE REPORTED ODOMETER READING INFORMATION
SOURCE GENERAL COMMENTS
11/28/2001 Ontario Ministry of Transportation Ownership transfer reported
--------------------------------------------------
01/29/2002 Ontario Ministry of Transportation
Greater Toronto Area
Ownership transfer reported
Trader是2个东欧人,车的公里数其实相对还是偏低的,有2次换手记录,车的保养却做得很差,很多Rust,连很多橡胶的部分也被侵蚀了,Driver Side 的门很松动,象是换过的,姐夫说如果是换过的,9成都有过Collision了。最让人不放心的,凡是你指出的问题,Trader都说没问题,是正常的。本来对96年的车影响还是挺好的,没想到和第一辆比多了三年会烂成这付样子。他说车是正常,那我们人也是正常的,赶紧走人,连Thank You也没有一句就走了。这辆说明一个道理,光看AutoTrader照片是不够的,绝对要自己去See See.现在懂了为什么很多广告上标明"Must See"了。
3。
Year: 1997 Make: FORD Model: Escort Sporty Model Detail: LX
Price: $5,900 Mileage: 116526 km
Comment: Automatic, 4 dr., 2.0, Gas, Gold, Air Conditioning.
Vin No: 1FALP13P6VW292982
DATEREPORTED ODOMETERREADING INFORMATIONSOURCE GENERALCOMMENTS
01/17/2000 Ontario Ministry of TransportationCentral Ontario Ownership transfer reported
09/22/2001 Ontario Ministry of TransportationCentral Ontario Registration issued
09/19/2002 Ontario Ministry of TransportationCentral Ontario Ownership transfer reported
4。
Year: 1998 Make: FORD Model: Contour Sport
Price: $7,499 Mileage: 116764km
Feature: Automatic, 4 dr., 2.0, 4 cyl. , Gas, Black external/Grey, Roof Rack, Air Conditioning, AM-FM Stereo, Power Mirrors, Driver Air Bag, Passenger Air Bag
GMM AUTO SALES 17 Tangiers Rd. Toronto, ON M3J 2B1 Tel.: 416-638-9400 (close to Finch and Keele intersection.)
VIN: 1FAFP6534WK179545
Year/Make/Model: 1998 FORD CONTOUR/GL/SPORT/LX
Body Style: Sedan 4 DR
Engine Type: 2.0L L4 PFI 16V DOHC
Manufactured In: UNITED STATES
Search Results: 3 records found in our database
DATEREPORTED ODOMETERREADING INFORMATIONSOURCE GENERALCOMMENTS
10/05/1999 Ontario Ministry of TransportationSouthwestern Ontario Ownership transfer reported
06/06/2001 Ontario Ministry of TransportationSouthwestern Ontario Registration issued
06/06/2002 Ontario Ministry of TransportationSouthwestern Ontario Registration issuedOwnership transfer reported [ 相约加拿大:枫下论坛 rolia.net/forum ]
5。
Year: 1998 Make: FORD Model: ESCORT Model Detail: LX
Price: $6,499 Mileage: 133000km
Comment: Just off lease. 4 dr. sedan, silver on grey int., auto, air cond., pb, ps, am/fm cass., like new inside & out, all original, 133K, mint cond.
VIN: 1FAFP10P9WW245495
Year/Make/Model: 1998 FORD ESCORT LX
Body Style: Sedan 4 DR
Engine Type: 2.0L L4 SOHC PFI 8V
Manufactured In: UNITED STATES
Search Results: 4 records found in our database
DATEREPORTED INFORMATIONSOURCE GENERALCOMMENTS
03/24/1998 Quebec Motor Vehicle Dept.Dorval Registration issued
04/08/1999 Ontario Ministry of Transportation Ownership transfer reported
Eastern Ontario
02/25/2001 Ontario Ministry of Transportation Registration issued
Eastern Ontario
06/21/2002 Ontario Ministry of Transportation Ownership transfer reported
Eastern Ontario
首先他的地址非常难找,足足找了半小时才找到。Trader是个东欧人,和前面遇到的说什么都正常的相反,这位Hard Sell得有些过了火,围着我们滔滔不绝的,店的前门有一大片的空地,可Trader硬是把车全都Park到室内来了,室内不宽敞,那就意味着如果有人要试车,他们就得把许多堵在过道的车都开出去,才能把要试的车开出来。Trader解释是把车放在门外风吹雨淋的不好,所以情愿自己麻烦,全停到室内来了。其实感觉也只是生意手法,让看车,试车的人感觉麻烦了别人很多,不好意思不认真考虑了。4年开了133000,好象有点多,说是Highway miles,也随他说了,没法求证的。试了车,加速,刹车性能都不错,再次肯定了美国车,Escort LX是个不错的选择。如果Trader换成是西人,可能顾虑会少很多,是有点种族歧视,不过没办法,疑点实在太多:
1。问他要used car information package,他说还没有去买,其实在安省买卖2手车,By law,package是必须给potential buyer看的,Trader是吃这碗饭的,没理由连这个道理不懂。
2。carfax的记录是转过2手,但是Trader的广告是说Just off lease. 一般lease好象起码要做48months的,但是99年8月到02年6月的2次转手之间的时间只有34个月。怪怪的lease期。
3。02年6月21日的转手,如果是Dealer把Lease期满的车放出来转手给Trader的话,那么这车在trader家里已经整整放了5个月了。要是好车,怎么可能放上5个月?
Year: 1997
Make: PONTIAC
Model: GRAND AM
Model Detail: SE
Price: $6,500
Mileage: 110,600 km
Date Posted: 11/7/02
Ad Type: Private
Comment: Auto, loaded, two new tires, no rust, 6 cyl., well maintained, e-tested and certified. Private sale, very sporty looking. 110,600 km., REDUCED $6,500
Vin no:1G2NE52M6VC719994
VIN: 3G1JC524XWS813610
Year/Make/Model: 1998 CHEVROLET CAVALIER
Body Style: SEDAN 4 DR
Engine: 2.2L L4 MPI OHV 8V
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
Carburetion: FUEL INJECTED
Cylinders: 4
Manufactured in: MEXICO
98 Cavalier, red, 4 dr , auto, a/c/ABS, 59000 km, $9500 cert.
DATEREPORTED ODOMETERREADING INFORMATIONSOURCE GENERALCOMMENTS
02/02/2000 Ontario Ministry of TransportationGreater Toronto Area Ownership transfer reported
08/17/2001 Ontario Ministry of TransportationGreater Toronto Area Registration issued
08/17/2002 Ontario Ministry of TransportationGreater Toronto Area Registration issuedOwnership transfer reported
去以前咨询过Mechan的意见,这车开价偏高,除非砍价余地很大,不然不用抱什么希望了。再看看carfax的记录,2000年转的那手是肯定的,2002年那个记录到底是不是转手,就要问车主了。去到,是对东欧夫妇,LG发问测试了一下,发现对方为人不老实,问他们是否第一手,连连点头,告诉他们carfax有2000的转手记录,就开始支吾而对了,最后承认是买2手的。再询问2002年8月为什么有转手记录?逼问之下才知道原来是他们把车按给银行做了lien,来以前问过同样的问题,答案当然也是假的了。车况方面,右车头灯烂,左车尾箱有明显划痕,怀疑波箱有问题,因为做three point turn时,换后波,再换前波,都有明显的怪声发出。走人,没必要再看了。看这个例子,大家大概明白了为什么要做准备工作?准备工作做好了,你才能测试卖主的诚信,没有诚信的人的车,你敢买吗?
第3辆
Year: 1998
Make: CHEVROLET
Model: CAVALIER
Model Detail:
Price: $9,500
Mileage: 78,000 km
Date Posted: 11/7/02
Ad Type: Private
Comment: Lady driven, dual airbags, A/C, AM/FM cass. player, 4 dr., 2.2l., 4 cyl. 78,000 km. $9,500.
VIN: 3G1JC5242WS850733
DATEREPORTED ODOMETERREADING INFORMATIONSOURCE GENERALCOMMENTS
06/27/2001 Ontario Ministry of TransportationCentral Ontario Ownership transfer reported
02/04/2002 Ontario Ministry of TransportationCentral Ontario Ownership transfer reported
03/21/2002 Ontario Ministry of TransportationGreater Toronto Area Ownership transfer reported
08/30/2002 Ontario Ministry of TransportationGreater Toronto Area Registration issuedOwnership transfer reported
是位很年轻的黑妹妹,去的那天估计很多人来看车,所以把黑哥哥也叫上了,两兄妹给人感觉很老实,转手的原因是因为妹妹要去温哥华工作了,是2月刚从Dealer买进的车,3月为了保险便宜,把车挂在叔叔名下了,所以多了一个transfer, 还即时提供了些证明文件,证明8月30那个记录是申请Sticker的。至于前面的那项记录,两兄妹就说不清楚了。车的外观保养得很好,连小刮痕也没有一条,黑哥哥陪我们去试了会车,除了cavalier本身的加速性能差一些,其实感觉还算正常。在试车的时候,和黑哥哥闲聊,黑哥哥说自己就是mechan,对车很懂之类的。她妹妹的车都是他负责保养的。回来后问对方要used car information package看看,对方愣了半天也没反应过来,观察了一下黑哥哥的表情,也显得很彷徨的样子。马上感觉不太好,如果是懂车的行家,没理由不知道汽车转手,By law是必须提供这个package给买家看的。好了,先放一边,做后备吧,要是周日前没有更好的选择再说吧。
这里,我再提醒大家一点,去看车,不管是私人还是Trader的,千万不要把自己的兴趣写在脸上,我们的做法是到了先和车主闲聊会,告知我们是车盲,不懂车,先来看看外观,如果满意,会再带个专业的mechan朋友来检查的,告诉他你认识很多这方面的朋友,如果检查结果没有问题,再砍价位。这样有几点好处,首先别人觉得你很实在,看中,检查完才谈价位,不浪费大家的时间。其次,让车主知道想糊弄你是不行的,因为专业的mechan来了,假的真不了。再者,既然你说了自己是车盲,在检查的时候就可以名正言顺的向车主讨教,除了能学到验车的知识,也能观察一下,卖主到底懂不懂车?如果他也不怎么懂,那车的保养就要打个问号了。如果综合情况都比较满意,走的时候可以说几句好听的话,但不可过火,能达到模棱两可的效果最好,比如说:This car is definitely higher in our list. 听起来好听,其实说了等于白说,higher又不是 top,
不过能让对方感觉很有希望的样子。又比如说:This is the best cavalier I have ever tested. 听起来好听,可说不定你试过的都是烂车,这车只是没那么烂而已。
98 Pontiac Surfire , tan , 4 dr, auto, excellent cond, new front brakes 72000km, $7495
VIN: 1G2JB5241W7596364
Year/Make/Model: 1998 PONTIAC SUNFIRE SE
Body Style: SEDAN 4 DR
Engine: 2.2L L4 MFI SOHV 8V
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: FRONT WHEEL
DRIVECarburetion: FUEL INJECTED
Cylinders: 4
Manufactured in: UNITED STATES
DATEREPORTED ODOMETERREADING INFORMATIONSOURCE GENERALCOMMENTS
04/19/1999 OntarioMinistry of TransportationCentral Ontario Ownership transfer reported
03/26/2001 Ontario Ministry of TransportationCentral Ontario Registration issued
03/26/2002 Ontario Ministry of TransportationCentral Ontario Registration issuedOwnership transfer reported
Year: 1997 < r o l i a. n e t >
Make: MERCURY
Model: SABLE
Model Detail: WAGON
Price: $8,000
Mileage: ------- km
Date Posted: 11/7/02
Ad Type: Private
ORIGINAL
Comment: V6, auto., ps, pb, pdl, pw, p.driver seat, keyless entry, AM/FM cass., w/6 CD changer, A/C, tilt, cruise, block heater, 4 wheel disc, 2 airbags, 8 pass. seating with rear folding seat. $8000 or best offer
VIN: 1MELM55U4VG640722
Year/Make/Model: 1997 MERCURY SABLE GS
Body Style: STATION WAGON
Engine: 3.0L V6 SEFI
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: FRONT WHEEL
DRIVECarburetion: FUEL INJECTED
Cylinders: 6
Manufactured in: UNITED STATES
The CARFAX database contains a total of 2 vehicle history records on this 1997 MERCURY SABLE GS (1MELM55U4VG640722):
DATEREPORTED ODOMETERREADING INFORMATIONSOURCE GENERALCOMMENTS
11/12/1998 18,002 Inspection Co.Ontario Vehicle Inspected
10/01/2001 OntarioMinistry of TransportationCentral Ontario Registration issued
Jason递上名片,寒暄了几句,就开口说这车不怎么样,没有保养可言,刹车片也松,拿出去调试要另外给钱,如果能在6000 以上成交就不错了。女主人先前还是很Nice, 到了砍价这节骨眼上,变得真快, 翻脸就不认人了。”What? My car is good in condition, 8000, that’s it. It’s up to you, if you don’t think it worth this price, then byebye.” 狠吧?马上要被扫地出门了。”Hey, you are making money today, this is the market price, you should be very lucky if you could sell it at 6500” 这边厢女主人和Jason在针风相对的厮杀,那边厢LG笑呵呵地和男主人谈起他家的狗来了。其实周6来看车时,LG就埋下了伏笔,” We have no idea about the car, so we will send a friend to check everything for us. He is a professional machanic, and is very familiar with the market price.” 终于女主人松口了,把价位减到了7500, 怔怔有词的说是最后一口价,这时候主人家的小孩回来了,LG乘机把话题岔开了,”What a lovely girl, how old is your daughter?” 之类的,气氛缓和了点,Jason 就把价位提到了6800,说再也不能多了。女主人一下子就从座位上跳了起来,满脸的暴怒,要下逐客令了,气氛紧张到了极点,Jason马上说她没必要生气,如果这车Trade-in给Dealer最多就5500,卖给私人6500已经是很好的价格,6800的话,她应该眼泪也要笑出来了。女主人已经给他搞得苦笑不得了,男主人也开始烦了。
他们知道和Jason磨是没折的了,就转向问我LG觉得7500怎么样?LG继续装傻,说自己不懂车,价格合理与否,Jason说了算,把皮球又踢回去了。LG后来告诉我,到这一刻,他还觉得挺玄,感觉着局面随时会失控。Jason开始问对方要UVIP,Emission Test 和 Safety Certificate, 女主人说Safety Cert还没有做,只给了UVIP和 E Test。. 说也奇怪,当女主人交出UVIP后,底线退到了7000。当Jason检查完Lien Status,把UVIP交到LG手上时,LG就明白敌人鸣金收兵的缘由了:average wholesale5450, average retail7450。刚才Jason不是已经说过Trade-in 给Dealer不会超过5500? 写个“服”字吧!有些饭真的只能是专业人士吃的。女主人开始做最后的抵抗了,先是反复询问付款方式和付款日期,答复Any Time, Cash后,又死活都不愿意做Safety Cert,说这样的价格成交就不该再浪费她的时间和精力了。LG问Jason, Safety Cert 要多少钱,如果不贵,自己做算了。Jason坚决反对,Safety Cert只要50元就可以做完,但是一般做Certificate的Mechanic在检查的过程中,会要求换这个,换那个,运气不好的话,可能要宰你好几百元才能通过,所以一定要卖主自己出面去验。由于大方向已定,LG最后提出7050成交,由卖主负责safety cert。其实要继续磨下去,6800这样的价位也是有可能做到的,一来车主急着陪孩子去踢球,估计耐心有限了,二来只要车况好,砍得差不多了也行了,总不能说天下的便宜都让你占了。Confirm的成交日期定在第2天,也就是11日。
砍价结束了,气氛就融洽了许多,女主人摊牌了,原来她也在chrysler dealership工作,(之前我和LG都多次询问过她的工作,一直没有正面回答)从事管理工作,只不过是不同的分行,说起来和Jason还算是同事。难怪他们刚才互砍的时候,那么驾熟就轻,估计是上过同样的Training course. 正惺惺相惜的做秀呢,突然想起来还没细看Jason名片上的职称。翻出来一看,把她气得,原来Jason并不是Mechanic(我们之前多次强调会派专业的mechanic来检查。)而是sales and leasing consultant。 更绝的是,原来男主人也在Acura从事同样的销售工作。这下好了,算扯平了。临走的时候,Jason希望女主人能够把package里转手的成交价写得低点,最好写低过5000,另外在办转户手续时,希望她告诉办事人员,我们是很要好的朋友等等,女主人也顺水推舟的同意了。交200订金,打收据,在转户栏双方签名,但是签名的文件,车主暂时是不会给你的。
MID-Size
97 MERCURY SABLE GS StationWagon
97 FORD TAURUS GL StationWagon
97 CHEVROLET MALIBU LS
97 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE
97 PONTIAC GRAND AM SE
Compact-Size
97 FORD ESCORT LX
98 Chevrolet Cavalier
98 PONTIAC SUNFIRE SE
1997 Mercury Sable4 Dr GS Wagon
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $3,903
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $4,872
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $6,055
1997 Ford Taurus4 Dr GL Wagon
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $3,292
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $4,125
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $5,144
1997 Buick Century4 Dr Custom Sedan
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $3,288
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $4,088
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $5,065
1997 Chevrolet Lumina4 Dr STD Sedan
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $3,571
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $4,476
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $5,582
1997 Oldsmobile Aurora4 Dr STD Sedan
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $6,929
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $8,396
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $10,189
1997 Oldsmobile Achieva4 Dr SL Sedan
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $2,754
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $3,460
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $4,323
1997 Pontiac Grand Am4 Dr SE Sedan
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $3,402
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $4,274
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $5,339
1997 Toyota Camry4 Dr LE Sedan
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $6,539
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $7,812
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $9,368
1997 Honda Accord4 Dr EX Sedan
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $7,596
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $9,051
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $10,828
1997 Nissan Altima4 Dr SE Sedan
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $5,196
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $6,296
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $7,641
1997 Hyundai Elantra4 Dr GLS Sedan
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $2,403
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $3,516
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $4,876
1997 Mazda 6264 Dr LX Sedan
Dealer Trade-In: What Others Are Getting $4,532
Private Party: What Others Are Getting/Paying $5,495
Dealer Retail: What Others Are Paying $6,672
每个车型,市场都有一个定价,不是canadian black book说好就好的,用同样的数据,除了Oldsmobile Aurora,Mercury Sable Wagon是以上的美国车里价格最高的,韩国现代是什么价格,大家自己看了。至于日本车,从一开始就不是我们的Focus, 理由我也在文中多次提到。如果你想讨论日本车和美国的问题,请自己开个帖子作老生长谈。