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作者: flg 时间: 2015-1-16 11:56
标题: 教皇走得太远了吧?
本帖最后由 flg 于 2015-1-16 12:06 编辑

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Pope on Charlie Hebdo II: What about 'turn the other cheek?' [size=6.62801pt]By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press[size=6.62801pt]| [size=6.62801pt]January 16, 2015[size=6.62801pt] | [size=6.62801pt]Updated: January 16, 2015 9:57am

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[size=6.62801pt]Pope Francis arrives for a Mass for the clergy and religious at the Cathedral Basilica of the Immaculate [size=6.62801pt]Conception during his visit in Manila, Philippines on Friday, Jan. 16, 2015.

[size=6.62801pt]"The pope is not going to hit somebody back," Gahl said. "It's presupposed that a pope, who is [size=6.62801pt]supposed to impersonate Jesus, ought not to use violence."
[size=6.62801pt]Lombardi, an Italian Jesuit, said he understood why Francis used the example of his mother to make his point, an apparent reference to the [size=6.62801pt]tendency of Italian men to remain attached at the hip to their mothers well into adulthood, and forever defensive of their perfection.
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[size=6.62801pt]MANILA, Philippines (AP) — What ever happened [size=6.62801pt]to "turning the other cheek?"
[size=6.62801pt]Pope Francis made headlines when he said en [size=6.62801pt]route to the Philippines that there were limits to [size=6.62801pt]free speech, especially when it ridicules or [size=6.62801pt]insults someone's faith. But he raised even more [size=6.62801pt]eyebrows when he explained his point by saying t[size=6.62801pt]hat if a good friend cursed out his mother he [size=6.62801pt]could "expect a punch" in return.
[size=6.62801pt]The Vatican quickly insisted that Francis was by [size=6.62801pt]no means justifying the terrorist attack against [size=6.62801pt]the satirical French magazine Charlie Hebdo, [size=6.62801pt]which had published inflammatory cartoons of [size=6.62801pt]the [size=6.62801pt]Prophet Muhammad[size=6.62801pt]. And Francis, who has [size=6.62801pt]condemned all violence committed in God's [size=6.62801pt]name, stressed that the attacks were an [size=6.62801pt]"aberration."
[size=6.62801pt]But his response did pose the question about [size=6.62801pt]Jesus' famous exhortation to his disciples in the [size=6.62801pt]Sermon on the Mount — and whether for a pope [size=6.62801pt]of Italian origin, turning the other cheek only [size=6.62801pt]goes so far when the matter concerns his
[size=6.62801pt]"Obviously he wasn't justifying violence," the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. [size=6.62801pt]Federico Lombardi[size=6.62801pt], said [size=6.62801pt]Friday. "He spoke about a spontaneous reaction that you can have when you feel profoundly [size=6.62801pt]offended. In this sense, your right to be respected has been put in question."
[size=6.62801pt]The Rev. [size=6.62801pt]Robert Gahl[size=6.62801pt], a moral theologian at Rome's [size=6.62801pt]Pontifical Holy Cross University[size=6.62801pt], noted that [size=6.62801pt]Francis didn't say that HE would have punched his friend for insulting his mother. He said his [size=6.62801pt]friend could expect to be punched, given that he should know that he had crossed a moral line in [size=6.62801pt]lobbing the insult and should be more careful and courteous in not causing offense.
[size=6.62801pt]But does that mean Francis should have turned the other cheek as Jesus taught and let the insult
[size=6.62801pt]Not necessarily. Gahl explained that while Jesus did indeed urge his disciples to turn the other cheek, he did so to teach them a new way of [size=6.62801pt]responding to provocations that until then had been met with a retaliatory "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." Gahl noted that Jesus fully defended [size=6.62801pt]himself — using reason and the law — when he was attacked by his Roman inquisitors.
[size=6.62801pt]"Certainly the [size=6.62801pt]Catholic Church[size=6.62801pt] has never accepted passivism," Gahl said, noting that Christians are allowed to be police officers and soldiers and are [size=6.62801pt]encouraged to defend themselves, albeit without resorting to violent retaliation.
[size=6.62801pt]"The proper response of the Christian goes beyond turning the other cheek, which is an invitation to hit me again. The Christian response is more [size=6.62801pt]complex," he said.
[size=6.62801pt]Francis has spoken frequently and reverently about the role his mother, and even more his grandmother, played in his life growing up as the [size=6.62801pt]eldest of five children in Buenos Aires. He has said his mother taught him about opera and how to cook, after she became bedridden following the [size=6.62801pt]birth of one of his siblings. His grandmother Rosa taught him to pray and to this day he carries in his worn breviary, or prayer book, a copy of a [size=6.62801pt]creed she composed when he was young.
[size=6.62801pt]"He used the classic example that comes to mind to all of us: to not speak ill about our mothers," Lombardi said laughing. "Apparently it's also like [size=6.62801pt]that in Argentina."

作者: weinberger 时间: 2015-1-16 12:12
本帖最后由 weinberger 于 2015-1-16 12:20 编辑

教皇是人，不是神。这个教皇是阿根廷人，从小受反西方和反资本主义教育。所以说这样的话也不奇怪。梵蒂冈显然很快意识到他说错话了，否则不会这么快出来为他洗脱。教皇最好不要多干涉政治，否则远离天主教的人会越来越多。

作者: awwa 时间: 2015-1-16 12:32

教皇是人，不是神。这个教皇是阿根廷人，从小受反西方和反资本主义教育。所以说这样的话也不奇怪。梵蒂冈显然很快意识到他说错话了，否则不会这么快出来为他洗脱。教皇最好不要多干涉政治，否则远离天主教的人会越来越多。
weinberger 发表于 2015-1-16 12:12 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

好像达赖和政治走得也挺近的, 麻烦你也评说评说.

作者: 好兴致 时间: 2015-1-16 12:32

教皇是人，不是神。这个教皇是阿根廷人，从小受反西方和反资本主义教育。所以说这样的话也不奇怪。梵蒂冈显然很快意识到他说错话了，否则不会这么快出来为他洗脱。教皇最好不要多干涉政治，否则远离天主教的人会越来越多。
weinberger 发表于 2015-1-16 12:12 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

那奥巴马呢？
是不是一切不利于极右翼的无论人还是国家、组织都必须消灭呢？

作者: 漂流的沙 时间: 2015-1-16 12:51
对呀，赶紧退出天主教，加入轮子的队伍！
快去呐喊吧：三退！三退！三退！

作者: awwa 时间: 2015-1-16 13:09

教皇是人，不是神。这个教皇是阿根廷人，从小受反西方和反资本主义教育。所以说这样的话也不奇怪。梵蒂冈显然很快意识到他说错话了，否则不会这么快出来为他洗脱。教皇最好不要多干涉政治，否则远离天主教的人会越来越多。
weinberger 发表于 2015-1-16 12:12 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

记得这个教皇做了不少整顿天主教会的事情, 是否也是"从小受反西方和反资本主义教育"的缘故呢?

作者: 克飞 时间: 2015-1-16 18:45

记得这个教皇做了不少整顿天主教会的事情, 是否也是"从小受反西方和反资本主义教育"的缘故呢?
awwa 发表于 2015-1-16 13:09 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

我对天主教一向不喜欢，但这个教皇好象还有点人样.

作者: weinberger 时间: 2015-1-16 20:29
奥巴马还不得不做一点事，比如空袭Isis 和 al-Queda，虽然他很不情愿，但是在美国土地上再发生一次 911 的代价他支付不起。

那奥巴马呢？
是不是一切不利于极右翼的无论人还是国家、组织都必须消灭呢？
三达发表于 2015-1-16 12:32 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: weinberger 时间: 2015-1-16 20:35
'如果你说羞辱我母亲的话，我一定会揍你一顿。' 很难想象这话是天主教教皇说的，都忘了耶稣说的'有人打你右脸就把左脸也给他打'的话啦？有限度的言论自由那还叫言论自由啊？那谁来裁判什么是言论自由的限度？政府吗？教皇吗？拿着机枪的恐怖分子吗？

作者: 克飞 时间: 2015-1-16 20:49

'如果你说羞辱我母亲的话，我一定会揍你一顿。' 很难想象这话是天主教教皇说的，都忘了耶稣说的'有人打你右脸就把左脸也给他打'的话啦？有限度的言论自由那还叫言论自由啊？那谁来裁判什么是言论自由的限度？政府吗？教皇吗？拿着机枪的恐怖分子吗？
weinberger 发表于 2015-1-16 20:35 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

好哎, 我啥时打你的左脸, 看你什么反应.。。

作者: 人参娃娃 时间: 2015-1-17 11:23
克飞，您不用打它的左脸，您随便碰一下任何不相干的“白人”，它都会挑起来与您打个鱼死网破的。

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