只想问一下楼主，六四的时候你在哪里？
漂流的沙 发表于 2014-12-8 20:09
美国的911很多大学教授都说是假的, 是爆破所致.。。如果美国911都可以作假, 作个64假何难之有， 反正北京百口难辩, 越辩越被动。就象你们诬蔑我一样, 我也觉得很难办。。。一个道理，所以我能理解北京.
克 飞 发表于 2014-12-9 09:20 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
勿逼人太什, 經紀牌被釘了, 不胡言亂語一番, 混点維穏费, 日子怎么过?
放他一條生路吧。
费事傾 发表于 2014-12-9 10:54 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
你能不能不要得寸进尺吗？ 不觉得做人太过份吗？有这样讨论问题的吗？
克 飞 发表于 2014-12-9 11:14 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
我好心劝醉酒鬼放一條生路, 又沒有指名道姓說誰人, 你為什么总是 "拿屎上身"?
费事傾 发表于 2014-12-9 11:16 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
一唱一合, 干吗将自己也曝光呢? 我又不是多重要的人物, 不值得的.
克 飞 发表于 2014-12-9 11:21 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
勿逼人太什, 费事傾难民纸没批下来了, 不胡言亂語一番, 混点狗粮啃啃, 日子怎么过?
放费事傾一條生路吧。
费事傾 发表于 2014-12-9 10:54 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
说清楚一点行不？哪些“很多大学教授”说的？给个链接行不？
酒中仙 发表于 2014-12-9 10:29 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
至于美国佬持续天安门事件的, 请看
The truth of Tiananmen event in 1989
里面列举了很多文章， 差不多说天安门流血的就可以移民美国的。
克 飞 发表于 2014-12-10 03:03 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
What is the Truth about Tiananmen Square?[size=1.2em]
I’ve heard from several Chinese American friends (now US citizens), who lived in China in 1989, that the student leaders behind the Tiananmen Square protest/massacre (April 14 to June 4, 1989) were supported by the CIA.
Oh, come on, I thought, another conspiracy theory!
However, my curiosity was stirred, so I spent hours hunting the internet for clues that this might be true. I discovered several coincidences that raised an eyebrow.
The U.S. Ambassador in China at the time, James Lilley (April 20, 1989 to 1991), was a former CIA operative who worked in Asia and helped insert CIA agents into China. President H. W. Bush served as Chief of the U.S. Liaison Office in Beijing (1974 – 1976) , then went to serve as Director of the CIA (1976 – 1977).
Why did President H. W. Bush replace Winston Lord as ambassador to China (1985-1989) during the early days of the Tiananmen Square incident with a former CIA agent? After all, Lord spoke some Chinese and was a key figure in the restoration of relations between the US and China in 1972. Wasn’t he the best man for the job during a crisis like this?
I returned to my friends and asked, “How do you know the CIA helped the student leaders of the protest?”
“It’s obvious,” was the answer. The reason, my friends explained, was the fact that it is very difficult, almost impossible, for anyone in China to get a visa to visit the United States. Yet most of the leaders of the Tiananmen incident left China quickly and prospered in the West without any obvious difficulty. After these student leaders came to the West, many were successful and became wealthy.
I returned to my investigation to verify these claims. Let’s Welcome Chinese Tourists was one piece I read from the Washington Postdocumenting how difficult it was to get a visa to visit the US from China. I read another piece in the Chicago Tribune on the same subject. My wife told me her brother and two sisters were denied visas to the US.
After more virtual sleuthing, I learned that Wang Dan, one of the principal organizers of the Tiananmen incident, went to jail because he stayed in China when most of the student leaders fled. Today, Wang lives in the West and cannot go back. Two others went to Harvard and a third went to Yale. Where did they get the money? It’s expensive to attend these private universities.
How about the other leaders who fled to the West? “Some have reincarnated themselves as Internet entrepreneurs, stockbrokers, or in one case, as a chaplain for the U.S. military in Iraq. Several have been back to China to investigate potential business opportunities.” Source: Timehttp://ilookchina.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/tibet.jpg?w=300&h=196
Lahsa, Tibet
Then there are the Dalai Lama and Tibetan separatists who have received CIA support. “The Dalai Lama himself was on the CIA’s payroll from the late 1950s until 1974, reportedly receiving $US15,000 a month ($US180,000 a year). The funds were paid to him personally, but he used all or most of them for Tibetan government-in-exile activities, principally to fund offices in New York and Geneva, and to lobby internationally.” Sources: Infowars; The CIA’s Secret War In Tibet and the CIA. “Retired CIA officer Roger E. McCarthy published his book, which describes his role in support of the CIA’s assistance to the Tibetan resistance to China’s occupation of Tibet, which began in 1950.”
Yes, the circumstantial evidence was compelling, but maybe all of these facts are just a coincidence.
Discover why The Sky is Falling but only in China
美国的911很多大学教授都说是假的, 是爆破所致.。。如果美国911都可以作假, 作个64假何难之有， 反正北京百口难辩, 越辩越被动。就象你们诬蔑我一样, 我也觉得很难办。。。一个道理，所以我能理解北京.
克 飞 发表于 2014-12-9 09:20 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
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你在后面给出的链接，包含一系列文章。其中开头的一篇转贴在下面。我还得再问一次：克飞你读懂了这些人是在质疑啥吗？跟你说的“911是假的”是一回事吗？
酒中仙 发表于 2014-12-10 09:55 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
Their collective voices give credibility to the claim that the 9/11 Commission Report is tragically flawed.
不就是质疑911委员会的报告是作假吗？ 你引的文章的统篇都是在讲这些啊。。。只不过语气比较客气、平和, 所以用了很多否定句的方式, 和英国佬的比较“高贵"的外交性写作手法更近, 和美国佬平时平实的写作风格不一样。
虽然语气婉转了些， 但思想却是十分清楚的啊，这是客观不带感情的写作方法, 尽量避免主观情绪，但很有力量的！科学性教科书与论文的写法啊！ 你真的只能看懂直接骂娘的简单陈述句吗？
克 飞 发表于 2014-12-10 10:29 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
这个链接的文章是如下， 我想问的是，克飞你读得懂这个帖子说的是啥吗？跟你说的64“没有流血事件”有半点关系吗？
酒中仙 发表于 2014-12-10 09:46 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
摘录一下
I returned to my friends and asked, “How do you know the CIA helped the student leaders of the protest?”
“It’s obvious,” was the answer. The reason, my friends explained, was the fact that it is very difficult, almost impossible, for anyone in China to get a visa to visit the United States. Yet most of the leaders of the Tiananmen incident left China quickly and prospered in the West without any obvious difficulty. After these student leaders came to the West, many were successful and became wealthy.
就是说是CIA帮助这些人来美国的。。其实在当时很困难的， 或几乎是不可拿到美国签证。。。（其实是当时中国相对还是很穷的, 很多国家是不欢迎的, 怕他们非法逗留。）除非一些已经申请到大学奖学金的， 可以以留学生身份出来, 或同外有亲族担保的.
克 飞 发表于 2014-12-10 10:48 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
Their collective voices give credibility to the claim that the 9/11 Commission Report is tragically flawed.
不就是质疑911委员会的报告是作假吗？ 你引的文章的统篇都是在讲这些啊。。。只不过语气比较客气、平和, 所以用了很多否定句的方式, 和英国佬的比较“高贵"的外交性写作手法更近, 和美国佬平时平实的写作风格不一样。
虽然语气婉转了些， 但思想却是十分清楚的啊，这是客观不带感情的写作方法, 尽量避免主观情绪，但很有力量的！科学性教科书与论文的写法啊！ 你真的只能看懂直接骂娘的简单陈述句吗？
克 飞 发表于 2014-12-10 10:29 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
你知不知道9/11 Commission Report调查的是什麽问题吗？
酒中仙 发表于 2014-12-10 10:40 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
光看看你引用的这句话“ the 9/11 Commission Report is tragically flawed. ”是啥意思你明白吗？查查字典“flawed”是啥意思？
酒中仙 发表于 2014-12-10 11:09 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
我还想问克飞的是，这些资料是你自己从网上读到的？还是某个供“料”来源给你提供的？因为人们很难想象一个几乎不懂英文的人能从英文网页中搜出这些非主流的议论。
这里我再次发现了网评员一贯的手法：利用很多中国人不懂或懒得读英文原文的特点，把外国人的说法，经过偷换论题偷换概念，用来证明网评员自己要说的话。
酒中仙 发表于 2014-12-10 10:11 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
对啊， 就是说政府组织的那个911调查委员会（他们本应是调查真相的独立机构, 但却成了帮助美国政府指控本拉登的工具)是矛盾百出的啊。
克 飞 发表于 2014-12-10 11:21 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
我请你先搞清楚，查一查flaw是什麽意思？有没有虚假，伪造的含义？
酒中仙 发表于 2014-12-10 11:28 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
Criticism[edit]Main article: Criticism of the 9/11 Commission
In a 2004 article titled, "Whitewash as Public Service: How The 9/11 Commission Report defrauds the nation", Harper's Magazine writer Benjamin DeMott stated that:
The plain, sad reality — I report this following four full days studying the work — is that The 9/11 Commission Report, despite the vast quantity of labor behind it, is a cheat and a fraud. It stands as a series of evasive maneuvers that infantilize the audience, transform candor into iniquity, and conceal realities that demand immediate inspection and confrontation. Because it is continuously engaged in scotching all attempts to distinguish better from worse leadership responses, the Commission can't discharge its duty to educate the audience about the habits of mind and temperament essential in those chosen to discharge command responsibility during crises.[14]
Other sources have criticized the commission for not digging deep enough to get to the core of the issues. In a 2004 interview with Bernard Gwertzman, of the Council on Foreign Relations, Anthony H. Cordesman (of the Arleigh A. Burke Chair in Strategy, the Center for International and Strategic Studies in Washington) stated of the report:
Again, one of the great problems in the commission report is that it looked at exactly one issue — counterterrorism — and none of the others. But [U.S.] intelligence users consist of more than one million people, many of them in uniform, and when you talk about budgeting and programming authority, you have to consider that. . . . Many of these conclusions are probably very valuable. But this is a 13-chapter report. Eleven chapters are a masterful description of what happened and what went wrong that led to the 9/11 attack. There is no chapter that explains what people did after 9/11. There is no chapter that qualifies that this is only one of many problems in intelligence and intelligence reform."[15]
FAA counter-terrorism expert Bogdan Dzakovic believes that the security failures at airports that allowed the hijackers to board the planes were not due to the failures in the system that the report identified. Furthermore, he stated that "Many of the FAA bureaucrats that actively thwarted improvements in security prior to 9/11 have been promoted by FAA or the Transportation Security Administration."[16] The report did not mention his name, despite Dzakovic giving the following testimony to the commission regarding his undercover checks on airport security prior to 9/11:
We breached security up to 90 percent of the time. The FAA suppressed these warnings. Instead, we were ordered not to write up our reports and not to retest airports where we found particularly egregious vulnerabilities, to see if the problems had been fixed. Finally, the agency started providing advance notification of when we would be conducting our 'undercover' tests and what we would be 'checking.' . . . What happened on 9/11 was not a failure in the system. Our airports are not safer now than before 9/11. The main difference between then and now is that life is now more miserable for passengers.[16]
The report has been accused of not giving the whole story about the warnings the U.S. received prior to the attacks.[17] While the report did describe that "the system was blinking red" and that an al Qaeda attack was imminent, it did not include the testimony of former CIA director George Tenet to the commission in January 2004, in which he claimed to have given a specific warning to the Administration in a July 2001 meeting with Condoleezza Rice. Commission members Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton stated that they had not been told about the meeting. But the Boston Globe reported that "it turns out that the panel was, in fact, told about the meeting, according to the interview transcript and Democratic commission member Richard Ben-Veniste, who sat in on the interview with Tenet."[18]
Literary praise[edit]The report garnered praise in some quarters for its literary qualities. Richard Posner, writing for The New York Times, praised it as "uncommonly lucid, even riveting" and called it "an improbable literary triumph".[19] The report rose to the top of several bestseller lists, and became one of the best-selling government reports of all time.[20] The National Book Foundation named the report a finalist in its 2004 National Book Awards' non-fiction category.[21][22]
Adaptations[edit]In 2006, The 9/11 Commission Report, a straight to DVD movie, was released by The Asylum. It is based on the findings of the original 9/11 Commission Reports, although it does fictionalize some elements.
The report inspired a controversial television miniseries, The Path to 9/11. Dramatizing many specific scenes in the report, it is a synthesis of multiple (and in some cases partisan) sources in addition to the report itself.
The 9/11 Report: A Graphic Adaptation (ISBN 0-8090-5739-5), by Sid Jacobson and Ernie Colón, and published by Hill & Wang, is an abridged graphic novel adaptation of the report.
On Native Soil is a documentary of the 9/11 Commission report narrated by Kevin Costner & Hilary Swank.
叫我查字典, 啥意思？
克 飞 发表于 2014-12-10 11:48 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
就是想让你搞清楚“flaw是什麽意思？有没有虚假，伪造的含义？”
酒中仙 发表于 2014-12-10 11:58 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
维基百科这个网页收集了社会各界对官方报告的批评，转贴如下：
酒中仙 发表于 2014-12-10 11:57 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
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