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标题: 转帖：中国和美国换了把交椅。这个世界怎么啦？ [打印本页]

作者: 好兴致 时间: 2014-12-8 12:23
标题: 转帖：中国和美国换了把交椅。这个世界怎么啦？
中国和美国换了把交椅。这个世界怎么啦？

作者：谐和。

最近的中文媒体和网站时事栏目被这样一些内容占据着：

“香港占中。。。。。。。”
“台湾九合一。。。。。。”
“石油价格大跌。。。。。”
“美国佛格森。。。。。。”

可是，12月4日，2014年，一早进办公室，却被几位非华人同事拉去他们的电脑屏幕看到这样一个醒目新闻：

It’s official: America is now No. 2 and CHINA is #1!

开始我还不明白这#1，#2在讲什么，以为又是什么“中国威胁论”在惊吓着这些一贯自我优越感良好的白人同事，及至看了内容，才知道，12月4日这天，发生了美国历史上的一个划时代的惊天大事：自美国第18届总统格兰特1865年主事白宫以来，美国在当了世界经济一哥150年以后，第一次把头把交椅让给了中国。中国当了老大，美国改坐老二。

呵呵，我还以为是什么了不起的大事。世界大战爆发了？

我只是向各位笑了笑，竞自回去自己的办公室，打开电脑来看看。看着看着，眼中却情不自禁地，毫无先兆地，涌出几滴泪水！

之所以称之为“OFFICIAL",大概消息来源不是中国而是美国政府或者什么国际经济权威机构，具体数字是：到2014年12月4日为止，中国的生产总量是17。6兆美元，美国的是17。4兆。这是150年来，世界上第一次有一个国家的总量超过了美国。以前有经济学家预测这个数字的到来时间将会是2016或者2020年，看来是早了几年。

全世界的中文媒体（包括咱们可爱的“******”）对这一新闻都谦虚的保持低调，一向反华的媒体表示“没看见”。公知杂碎们更是一反常态，罕见地沉默。

可是在美国的媒体和网络上却炸开了锅：呢吗，这是怎么回事呢？太丢人啦！！

我的脑海里却浮现着这样一个场景，挥之不去：一场长跑。

裁判一声令下，一个瘦瘦的黄种人和一群白人黑人开始长跑。瘦瘦的黄种人开始落后于白种人梯队，落后一圈，落后两圈，落后三圈，四圈。。。。。。距离越拉越远。羞愧，耻辱混合着汗水，疲劳，挣扎，这个黄种人没有泄气，他咬着牙，在众多的嘘声和加油声中，“赶上去！赶上去！赶上去。。。。。。”

2014年12月4日这一天，他终于超越了一直瞧不起他的第一梯队的白人头领，冲过红线。

止不住的眼泪，就是这样流下来的。

再来美国人的网络看看，不乏大喊大叫。或自责自讽，或责备赖账，或咄咄逼人，或茫然失措。先摘抄几段下来，看看痛失一把交椅者怎么说的：

NC says:
December 4, 2014 at 7:54 pm
I find it funny how Chinese people have to pay $16 US dollars for a pound of beef and we still have to say, “There are starving people in China” when it is supposed to be the number 1 country in the world, but that’s Communism for ya. Now we are the number 2 country in the world and “There are starving people in America”. So how are we different from China?

The irony of it all is that a country that always wants to be number 2 is now number 1 and a country that always wants to be number 1 is now number 2.Adding to this that most of America's economic output consists of immaterial goods, while Chinese economic output is real hardware, there's a real need to worry about long-term sustainability of the US economy (fracking notwithstanding).

Enemy of the State says:
December 4, 2014 at 12:44 pm
you should see some of the manufacturing facilities and equipment over there

it would blow your mind,, and remind yo of our once prosperous country

as my company struggles over here in this government cesspool … I see whats going on over there it makes me very sad for this country and everyone here trying to make a go of it

If we would get rid of these professional welfare'ers ( Thread: Woman on Welfare for 12 Years Explains "I Don't Need a Job, I Already Get a Check" ), then we could use that money for great things...

But the thing is USA tries to please EVERYONE within its borders!

And however sweet and nice that is, it doesn't actually achieve anything.

The more you can achieve as a unit the better the country really... and I sense USA doesn't have the balls to really implement a vision.

I would say the USA did have a vision at one time, but right now the American dream has been shown to be a fraud. Kind of.

And since that you haven't got any goals.. its the same old .

Chris Snider18 minutes ago
And if you compare China to other countries over there, you know they can still go further... they've not yet started producing/exporting automobiles.
They've got an advantage over the US because they're actually producing something - a good portion of US GDP comes from Wall Street money games but really doesn't produce anything (nor does it circulate in the economy if it only gets reinvested).  To compensate for a loss of manufacturing jobs we've now got semi- and unskilled workers wanting to make a living wage by flipping hamburgers and doing other jobs that used to be entry-level and summer work for high school kids.
But as long as US equity markets keep cranking up, nothing else really matters....right?

originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: coldkidc

So much for the prediction that China was to be the leading economy by 2020. I guess they arrived early.

Or we are falling faster than we have been led to believe.

Good thing is, China has absorbed much of our business and manufacturing, so life goes on... In China.
Philosophical Objection LYSSA ? 4 hours ago
Who cares? America is ranked 37 in World Education and still fluoridates and offers Monsanto chem lab mutated foods to its own people.

robert ? 4 hours ago
Ya, ok, China does produce more, goods, and services,, so what...
What we produce in America, is....... money.
We print it !
It's called ..... the shekel....
.
We back up the shekel with the power of the US Military.
.
And if the world will not take the shekel, in exchange for their goods, services, and submission, we cram the shekel down their throats, at the spear point of a predator drone, or a B1 bomber....

quote:
Originally posted by oddball:
quote:
For the first time since Ulysses S. Grant was president, America is not the leading economic power on the planet.

Seems China is more capitalist-friendly than the U.S. is nowadays Frown.

I would also assume they are not 18 trillion dollars in debt,so we are in worse shape than being passed as the number 1 economy.

Chris Snider18 minutes ago
And if you compare China to other countries over there, you know they can still go further... they've not yet started producing/exporting automobiles.
They've got an advantage over the US because they're actually producing something - a good portion of US GDP comes from Wall Street money games but really doesn't produce anything (nor does it circulate in the economy if it only gets reinvested).  To compensate for a loss of manufacturing jobs we've now got semi- and unskilled workers wanting to make a living wage by flipping hamburgers and doing other jobs that used to be entry-level and summer work for high school kids.
But as long as US equity markets keep cranking up, nothing else really matters....right?

originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: coldkidc

So much for the prediction that China was to be the leading economy by 2020. I guess they arrived early.

Or we are falling faster than we have been led to believe.

Good thing is, China has absorbed much of our business and manufacturing, so life goes on... In China.
Philosophical Objection LYSSA ? 4 hours ago
Who cares? America is ranked 37 in World Education and still fluoridates and offers Monsanto chem lab mutated foods to its own people.

robert ? 4 hours ago
Ya, ok, China does produce more, goods, and services,, so what...
What we produce in America, is....... money.
We print it !
It's called ..... the shekel....
.
We back up the shekel with the power of the US Military.
.
And if the world will not take the shekel, in exchange for their goods, services, and submission, we cram the shekel down their throats, at the spear point of a predator drone, or a B1 bomber....

quote:
Originally posted by oddball:
quote:
For the first time since Ulysses S. Grant was president, America is not the leading economic power on the planet.

Seems China is more capitalist-friendly than the U.S. is nowadays Frown.

I would also assume they are not 18 trillion dollars in debt,so we are in worse shape than being passed as the number 1 economy.

Chris Snider18 minutes ago
And if you compare China to other countries over there, you know they can still go further... they've not yet started producing/exporting automobiles.
They've got an advantage over the US because they're actually producing something - a good portion of US GDP comes from Wall Street money games but really doesn't produce anything (nor does it circulate in the economy if it only gets reinvested).  To compensate for a loss of manufacturing jobs we've now got semi- and unskilled workers wanting to make a living wage by flipping hamburgers and doing other jobs that used to be entry-level and summer work for high school kids.
But as long as US equity markets keep cranking up, nothing else really matters....right?

originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: coldkidc

So much for the prediction that China was to be the leading economy by 2020. I guess they arrived early.

Or we are falling faster than we have been led to believe.

Good thing is, China has absorbed much of our business and manufacturing, so life goes on... In China.
Philosophical Objection LYSSA ? 4 hours ago
Who cares? America is ranked 37 in World Education and still fluoridates and offers Monsanto chem lab mutated foods to its own people.

robert ? 4 hours ago
Ya, ok, China does produce more, goods, and services,, so what...
What we produce in America, is....... money.
We print it !
It's called ..... the shekel....
.
We back up the shekel with the power of the US Military.
.
And if the world will not take the shekel, in exchange for their goods, services, and submission, we cram the shekel down their throats, at the spear point of a predator drone, or a B1 bomber....

quote:
Originally posted by oddball:
quote:
For the first time since Ulysses S. Grant was president, America is not the leading economic power on the planet.

Seems China is more capitalist-friendly than the U.S. is nowadays Frown.

I would also assume they are not 18 trillion dollars in debt,so we are in worse shape than being passed as the number 1 economy.

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-8 12:44
本帖最后由纸纱窗于 2014-12-8 12:55 编辑

我只是向各位笑了笑，竞自回去自己的办公室，打开电脑来看看。看着看着，眼中却情不自禁地，毫无先兆地，涌出几滴泪水！:eek:

2014年12月4日这一天，他终于超越了一直瞧不起他的第一梯队的白人头领，冲过红线。
止不住的眼泪，就是这样流下来的。:crying:

三达发表于 2014-12-8 12:23 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

大家怎么没反应？我们的坛友三达子流泪了....是的，他居然终于流泪了:-O

仿佛，我们看见————三达子冲过红线、坐在“第一把交椅”的壮丽情形....

一轮红日照三达，灿烂光辉照论坛

止不住滴眼泪，就是这样流下来滴:smile:

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-8 12:54
本帖最后由纸纱窗于 2014-12-8 12:58 编辑

回复 1# 三达

“ 我只是向各位笑了笑，竞自回去自己的办公室，打开电脑来看看。看着看着，眼中却情不自禁地，毫无先兆地，涌出几滴泪水！”

看见这一行金光闪闪的字，我的眼泪也“毫无先兆地”喷涌了出来

  乐得我肚子痛！

  三达啊三达，突然发现，这么好的神州子民，爱党爱国会煽情，还特有喜感有定力！怎能不坐第一把交椅？
  想想看，各位：

那么惊天动地的天大喜讯临头啊，我们的三达，你怎能就那么居然“只是向各位笑了笑，竞自回去自己的办公室....:confused: 眼中却......情不自禁地，（并且）毫无先兆地，涌出几滴泪水！”:-O

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-8 13:01
情不自禁滴.....毫无先兆滴..... 我今天午餐这顿刚刚清炖好的----猪蹄黄豆养颜汤，都没顾得吃好，等下出去要加棉大衣，要不冻死

作者: david9423 时间: 2014-12-8 13:30
分析师：IMF称中国超美国成全球最大经济体太愚蠢
http://finance.sina.com 2014年12月08日 05:15 北京新浪网
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　　新浪财经讯北京时间12月8日晚间消息，J Capital研究主管Anne Stevenson-Yang认为中国实际经济增长速度只有4%，她表示IMF称中国按购买力平价算超过美国是全球头号经济体，这太愚蠢，因为考虑到住房和医保，中国生活成本很高。

　　国际货币基金组织日前发布了最新的全球经济数据。当以产品和服务的“真实”标准来度量一国经济产出时，中国经济2014年的总规模将达到17万6000亿美元，而美国则是17万4000亿美元。

　　据《巴伦周刊》亚洲版，Stevenson-Yang表示：“IMF称中国按购买力平价算是全球头号经济体，超过美国，这得有多愚蠢？如果有人愿意吃大米饭、大白菜、猪肉，中国是个生活很便宜的地方，但你一旦算上像样的住房、车和医疗保健费用，这贵死了。”

　　Stevenson-Yang称：“中国经济增长速度只有4%，主要在金融服务业，而该行业最终还得靠其他行业的持续增长。想想看：房市在下滑、钢铁生产在下滑、商务车销量下滑，GDP构成大部分是库存增长。我们跟踪沪深上市的400家中国消费品公司，它们第三季度的总收入同比下降了4%，有活力的经济体不该这样。”

　　Stevenson-Yang称，中国老模式依靠出口增长和大举投资，以此刺激经济增长已经不再有效。(铁军)

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-8 13:36
回复 5# david9423

分析师：IMF称中国超美国成全球最大经济体太愚蠢
http://finance.sina.com 2014年12月08日 05:15 北京新浪网

超于不超其实无关三达们的紧要

可是人哪，总要有个梦，找个机会“看着看着，眼中却情不自禁地，毫无先兆地，涌出几滴泪水！”其实蛮好的，总比已经不知表情为何物强啊，您说那？

作者: flg 时间: 2014-12-8 13:52
回复 6# 纸纱窗

我看海外的华人对这样的消息, 痛心的多过高兴的.

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-8 14:03

回复纸纱窗

我看海外的华人对这样的消息, 痛心的多过高兴的.
flg 发表于 2014-12-8 13:52 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

您的“高兴”与“痛心”都是盲目的，甚至是井底之蛙

就我个人而言，中国真正的崛起了，海外华人再滥也不会被人看低，这是硬道理，一厢情愿不行

先定定，看清楚看长远再激动“泪涌几滴”才让人也热泪盈眶，这样的一天会有吗？应该有的

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-8 14:06

回复纸纱窗

我看海外的华人对这样的消息, 痛心的多过高兴的.
flg 发表于 2014-12-8 13:52 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

当然，我不排除心术叵测的人，他们或许真会痛心多过高兴，他们不允许自己处于劣势， 即便不确定也心胸狭窄不容许

同样这些人，如果他们明天回流了，也一样不允许别人说加拿大、美国半个好，否则他们又来一个“痛心的多过高兴”

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-8 14:11
本帖最后由纸纱窗于 2014-12-9 11:12 编辑

反之，就像“三达”们，永远是看着彼岸好，这类人才是最痛苦的，永远不满足，不会高兴

所以，也就只能在彼岸摆个姿势，并且“三达只是向各位笑了笑，竞自回去自己的办公室.... 眼中却......情不自禁地，（并且）毫无先兆地，涌出几滴泪水

2014年12月4日这一天，三达终于超越了一直瞧不起他的第一梯队的白人头领，冲过红线....止不住的眼泪，就是这样流下来滴....:crying:

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-9 11:13
“三达只是向各位笑了笑，竞自回去自己的办公室.... 眼中却......情不自禁地，（并且）毫无先兆地，涌出几滴泪水

2014年12月4日这一天，三达终于超越了一直瞧不起他的第一梯队的白人头领，冲过红线....止不住的眼泪，就是这样流下来滴.... “:laugh:

无忧最煽情断句，版主怎么不置顶？

作者: 克飞 时间: 2014-12-9 11:19
其实污蔑中国实在也没有用, 中国现在国民走出国的也多得很, 其实根本就是自由得狠呢? 而且好多是普通百姓，不是富翁级的.

象有些所说的, 中国不仅不会这样发展, 这样开放, 恐怕只能大量动用国家机器来维稳了.。。可惜这样的事, 看来在西方, 例如美国可能还更严重些。

作者: flg 时间: 2014-12-9 14:50

回复纸纱窗

我看海外的华人对这样的消息, 痛心的多过高兴的.
flg 发表于 2014-12-8 13:52 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

俄罗斯在西方高压下,普金名望不降反升. 中国有点造就,(就算没有证实吧) 海外却是一片哀号声. 难怪被别人看不起. 湾湾也好,港粹也好,毒运轮也好, 就算你们不认自己是中国人, 那套黄皮是剥不掉的了. 走狗的样子久了, 连主子也会不堪的. 好自为之吧.

作者: 无忧了 时间: 2014-12-9 17:29
我们中国是发展中国家，我们依然保持这个调子。
让那些连条地铁都修不起的“发达国家”吹牛B去吧，面子给他们。

作者: 无忧了 时间: 2014-12-9 18:08
这贴怎么了？51网诸多民主活跃份子，也是罕见的沉默啊。怪事。。。

作者: 网管 时间: 2014-12-9 20:37
激动一下可以理解，
毕竟是个特殊的时刻。
不过，
如果把妓女这行的收入也纳入基地皮，可能这个时刻到来的还有早上一两年。

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-12-9 20:50
本帖最后由 weinberger 于 2014-12-10 00:05 编辑

GDP只是数字游戏，没有多大意义，中国人比美国多5倍，GDP总量大是很自然的事。也完全不意味着中美换位置。美国的GDP1870年就世界第一了，但之后仍然默默无闻，直到其在二战中发挥了决定性的积极作用才确定了领导地位。中国只要不放弃独裁专制制度，不愿履行其应尽的国际义务，其他国家就会始终对其小心防备，领导地位更是无从谈起。

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-9 20:50
本帖最后由纸纱窗于 2014-12-9 20:54 编辑

俄罗斯在西方高压下,普金名望不降反升. 中国有点造就,(就算没有证实吧) 海外却是一片哀号声. 难怪被别人看不起. flg 发表于 2014-12-9 14:50 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

知道为何被人看不起？其实是自己都看不起自己，比如你

自恋到闭着眼哀嚎的？回不去，留不下，哪里没有你那杯汤，你自己哀嚎自己舔伤？

我们心平气和不贪心的人，在海外活得云淡风轻很开心

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-9 20:58

GDP只是数字游戏，没有多大意义，中国人比美国多5倍，GDP总量大是很自然的事。weinberger 发表于 2014-12-9 20:50 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

中央外国专家局住加拿大主任老B 说：

“还提那个GDP？混弄民间老百姓可以，加减乘除一划拉，差人家美国100年！屁”

果然草根百姓乐得颠颠...唉

作者: 纸纱窗 时间: 2014-12-9 21:00
本帖最后由纸纱窗于 2014-12-9 21:08 编辑

上周，我喜欢顶无忧老汉一句话，梦里想起都笑使！
这两天，我喜欢死三达这个金段子：

特此谢谢三达，让我们晚饭食欲大增！

听见能做第一把交椅了....我----只是向各位笑了笑，然后，竞自回去自己的办公室，打开电脑来看看。看着看着，眼中却情不自禁地（逗号）、毫无先兆地（逗号），挤出几滴泪水！:eek:

2014年12月4日这一天，三达终于超越了一直瞧不起他的第一梯队的白人头领，冲过红线。
止不住的眼泪，就是这样牛下来滴.......

三达发表于 2014-12-8 12:23 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 紫黄 时间: 2014-12-9 23:27
早在今年9月12日，世界货币基金组织已经公布了“按实际购买力平价GDP”指标，中国超过美国，成为世界第一。但中国政府和民众一直持保留态度。事实上，早在去年已经有这方面报道，但中国一直“不予承认”。我认为中国这个态度是对的，因为实际情况是，还有数以千万计的中国人还没脱困。把自己定位在“发展中国家”是正确的态度。

当然，这样值得一说的是，近代几百年来，一个国家的崛起、强大，都是建立在战争、掠夺基础之上的，从挪威、西班牙、英国再到美国，而中国的崛起，是在和平环境下，依靠亿万民众勤俭、辛劳而取得的。这点，整个中华民族都值得自豪！

作者: flg 时间: 2014-12-10 10:44

知道为何被人看不起？其实是自己都看不起自己，比如你

自恋到闭着眼哀嚎的？回不去，留不下，哪里没有你那杯汤，你自己哀嚎自己舔伤？

我们心平气和不贪心的人，在海外活得云淡风轻很开心
纸纱窗发表于 2014-12-9 20:50 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

果然直达要害, 跳将出来了.

作者: flg 时间: 2014-12-10 10:46
本帖最后由 flg 于 2014-12-10 10:47 编辑

中央外国专家局住加拿大主任老B 说：

“还提那个GDP？混弄民间老百姓可以，加减乘除一划拉，差人家美国100年！屁”

果然草根百姓乐得颠颠...唉
纸纱窗发表于 2014-12-9 20:58 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

老B...

好象有点太下流了吧? 不太符合老纸的风格.

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