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标题: [转帖] 希拉里：普京的说辞希特勒上世纪就说过 [打印本页]

作者: 共产党 时间: 2014-3-6 11:13
标题: [转帖] 希拉里：普京的说辞希特勒上世纪就说过
本帖最后由酒中仙于 2014-3-6 11:19 编辑

[转帖] 希拉里：普京的说辞希特勒上世纪就说过

drftgy 于 2014-3-6 13:51:40 发布在凯迪社区> 猫眼看人

[size=1.35em] 希拉里：普京的说辞希特勒在上世纪30年代就说过

  据媒体报道，此前一天，希拉里在参加长滩一个不公开的筹款午宴时称，如今普京的说词如果听来耳熟，那是因为希特勒在20世纪30年代就说过。

      http://www.chinanews.com/gj/2014/03-06/U553P4T8D5916794F107DT20140306093319.jpg

   资料图：前美国国务卿希拉里·克林顿。

      据外媒报道，前美国国务卿希拉里·克林顿5日试图澄清媒体此前有关她将普京比作“希特勒”的报道，称她并不是想做类比。但她仍然认为，作为一个“强硬而敏感”的领导人，普京浪费了俄罗斯的潜能。

   希拉里在美国加州大学洛杉矶分校发表讲话时称，她此前的讲话并非将普京比作希特勒，但俄罗斯现在的举动“令人回想”纳粹德国在20世纪30年代的举动，当时纳粹称他们需要保护波兰和欧洲其他地区的德国民族。希拉里称，她只是希望大家有一点历史视角，了解这种策略已经被使用过。

   希拉里表示，普京“浪费了俄罗斯的潜能，产生不稳定的威胁，并影响了欧洲的和平”。

   据媒体报道，此前一天，希拉里在参加长滩一个不公开的筹款午宴时称，如今普京的说辞如果听来耳熟，那是因为希特勒在20世纪30年代就说过。普京保护乌克兰克里米亚半岛的所有俄裔居民，令人想起希特勒在二战前为保护日耳曼人采取的行动。

   俄罗斯总统普京当地时间4日否认俄罗斯军队正在乌克兰克里米亚地区展开军事行动，强调在乌克兰动用武力是“最后手段”，但俄罗斯保留动武保护其公民的权力。

   美国总统奥巴马则承认，俄罗斯在乌克兰有其合法利益，但这不能给予普京进行军事干预的权力.

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 11:36
Obama and other US politicians just don't understand: Too much talks without actions simply expose their weakness.
Putin is probably laughing: "well, is this the best you can do? talk?"
Yes, you don't want to go to war with Russia, yes, an economic sanction is hard when you depend on Russian gas, but don't keep saying that, for gods sake.

作者: SUPERFAN 时间: 2014-3-6 11:47
有的人叫唤的利害，因为是在台下，上了台也会做一样的事情。如果美俄的总统都是楞子，世界大战就会爆发，倒霉的是所有人。

Obama and other US politicians just don't understand: Too much talks without actions simply expose their weakness.
Putin is probably laughing: "well, is this the best you can do? talk?"
Yes, you don't want to go to war with Russia, yes, an economic sanction is hard when you depend on Russian gas, but don't keep saying that, for gods sake.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 11:36 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 11:58
本帖最后由 weinberger 于 2014-3-6 14:27 编辑

Of course, the Russians don't fear the world war like the Americans do, at least they never show their fear. The danger with retreating every time is that at some point you will find there is no place for you to retreat to anymore, and the world war will indeed happen at that time.
There were plenty of talks, appeasements towards the German at the begining of World War II but no action until Hitler swallowed the entire mainland Europe, some people just don't learn any lesson.

有的人叫唤的利害，因为是在台下，上了台也会做一样的事情。如果美俄的总统都是楞子，世界大战就会爆发，倒霉的是所有人。
SUPERFAN 发表于 2014-3-6 11:47 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: SUPERFAN 时间: 2014-3-6 12:07
不，他们也害怕，古巴导弹危机时，让步的是俄罗斯。就象夫妻吵架，一方真生气时，另一方应该让一步，才不会翻船。当然这要看为了什么，不管是一个人还是一个国家，小事不要胆大，大事不要胆小。

Of course, the Russians don't fear the world war like the Americans do, at least they never show their fear. The danger with retreating every time is that at some point you will find there is no place for you to retreat to anymore, and the world war will indeed happen at that time.
There were plenty of talks, appeasements towards the German at the begging of World War II but no action until Hitler swallowed the entire mainland Europe, some people just don't learn any lesson.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 11:58 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 12:20
But they are not dealing with Kennedy, Reagan now. Those former presidents meant business and were known for keeping their words. But Obama is a different story, he was known for always backing off. He said he would take action if Assad use chemical weapon. Assad used it, and nothing happened. When Putin told him to stop missile defense deployment in Poland and Czech, Obama complied immidiately, no question asked. Right now, Putin is simply ignoring and playing tricks with Obama. He is not taking him seriously at all.

不，他们也害怕，古巴导弹危机时，让步的是俄罗斯。就象夫妻吵架，一方真生气时，另一方应该让一步，才不会翻船。当然这要看为了什么，不管是一个人还是一个国家，小事不要胆大，大事不要胆小。
SUPERFAN 发表于 2014-3-6 12:07 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 打一地名 时间: 2014-3-6 12:38

But they are not dealing with Kennedy, Reagan now. Those former presidents meant business and were known for keeping their words. But Obama is a different story, he was known for always backing off. He said he would take action if Assad use chemical weapon. Assad used it, and nothing happened. When Putin told him to stop missile defense deployment in Poland and Czech, Obama complied immidiately, no question asked. Right now, Putin is simply ignoring and playing tricks with Obama. He is not taking him seriously at all.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 12:20 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

A UN official reportedly found evidence of rebels using chemical weapons but no evidence Assad’s regime did. This is from a Washington Times article by Shaun Waterman dated May 6, 2013.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 12:49
One unproven statement from one UN official a year ago does not mean anything. I can show you a thounsand news articles claiming it's Assad regime who used chemical weapons if I have time.

A UN official reportedly found evidence of rebels using chemical weapons but no evidence Assad’s regime did. This is from a
打一地名发表于 2014-3-6 12:38 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: SUPERFAN 时间: 2014-3-6 13:01
反过来想一下，是美国的路基核弹头离俄罗斯近，还是俄罗斯的离美国近呢？当年肯尼迪把导弹部署在土耳其，这才有了古巴危机，赫鲁晓夫让肯尼迪先撤，自己后撤，肯尼迪没有答应，赫鲁晓夫还是先撤了，肯尼迪投桃报李也把土耳其的导弹撤回，才有戴维营会议实现美苏和解。危机的时候大家都退一步，就都能得和平奖。

But they are not dealing with Kennedy, Reagan now. Those former presidents meant business and were known for keeping their words. But Obama is a different story, he was known for always backing off. He said he would take action if Assad use chemical weapon. Assad used it, and nothing happened. When Putin told him to stop missile defense deployment in Poland and Czech, Obama complied immidiately, no question asked. Right now, Putin is simply ignoring and playing tricks with Obama. He is not taking him seriously at all.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 12:20 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 打一地名 时间: 2014-3-6 13:06

One unproven statement from one UN official a year ago does not mean anything. I can show you a thounsand news articles claiming it's Assad regime who used chemical weapons if I have time.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 12:49 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

Show me any UN official in any news paper talked about "found evidence of Assad’s regime using chemical weapons", please!

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 13:13
But at first, both sides should see clearly this is a crisis, and there is a serious threat for both sides if they don't back off.
If one side does not see any significant consequences and cost for its action, that side will not back off, instead it will go even further.

反过来想一下，是美国的路基核弹头离俄罗斯近，还是俄罗斯的离美国近呢？当年肯尼迪把导弹部署在土耳其，这才有了古巴危机，赫鲁晓夫让肯尼迪先撤，自己后撤，肯尼迪没有答应，赫鲁晓夫还是先撤了，肯尼迪投桃报李也把土耳其的导弹撤回，才有戴维营会议实现美苏和解。危机的时候大家都退一步，就都能得和平奖。
SUPERFAN 发表于 2014-3-6 13:01 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 退而结网 时间: 2014-3-6 13:26
:mad:

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 13:27
Leaked U.N. Report Piles On Evidence Assad Regime Launched Mass Chemical Weapons Attack
http://www.thetower.org/un-report-syria-mass-cw-attac/

Show me any UN official in any news paper talked about "found evidence of Assad’s regime using chemical weapons", please!
打一地名发表于 2014-3-6 13:06 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 打一地名 时间: 2014-3-6 14:12

Leaked U.N. Report Piles On Evidence Assad Regime Launched Mass Chemical Weapons Attack
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 13:27 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

A leaked United Nations report

这是正式文件吗？明显是小道消息呀。

作者: 共产党 时间: 2014-3-6 14:20
大家的讨论，表明这种情况给民主国家的领导人一个非常困难的抉择：如果硬碰硬，就有毁灭人类的危险；如果姑息流氓政权，就可能让他讹诈成功，越来越猖狂，最终称霸世界。

这就是为什麽民主国家希望能把小流氓国家的核武器铲除在摇篮里，这个多少有可能性。比如北韩金家政权。

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 14:20
本帖最后由 weinberger 于 2014-3-6 14:22 编辑

Is there an official report says only the rebels used chemical weapon, or Assad regime has never used chemical weapon? Yours is not an official report either, it was just an UN official overheard what a victim said.
US reached a deal with Russia that those reports should only say whether chemical weapon was used, not who used it.(Another example of Obama's appeasement policy). But clearly only Assad government possess the advanced technologies required to manufacture, deliver and store those weapons.

A leaked United Nations report

这是正式文件吗？明显是小道消息呀。
打一地名发表于 2014-3-6 14:12 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 打一地名 时间: 2014-3-6 14:24

Is there an official report says only the rebels used chemical weapon, or Assad regime has never used chemical weapon? Yours is not an official report either, it was just an UN official overheard what a victim said.
US reached a deal with Russia that those reports should only say whether chemical weapon was used, not who used it.(Another example of Obama's appeasement policy). But clearly only Assad government possess the advanced technologies required to manufacture, deliver and store those weapons.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 14:20 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

但那至少是联合国官员在正式的场合谈论的话题。

狡辩是没有用的，小朋友。

作者: SUPERFAN 时间: 2014-3-6 14:27
说起流氓，美国才是最流氓的国家，暗杀绑架投毒什么坏事没做过。中国人是50步笑一百步；美国人是一百步笑50步。

大家都是流氓，否则就别出来混。

大家的讨论，表明这种情况给民主国家的领导人一个非常困难的抉择：如果硬碰硬，就有毁灭人类的危险；如果姑息流氓政权，就可能让他讹诈成功，越来越猖狂，最终称霸世界。

这就是为什麽民主国家希望能把小流氓国家的核武器铲除在摇篮里，这个多少有可能性。比如北韩金家政权。
酒中仙发表于 2014-3-6 14:20 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 14:29
Did you hear them when they talk? If it's not in official report, it means nothing.
狡辩是没有用的, 小朋友。

但那至少是联合国官员在正式的场合谈论的话题。
打一地名发表于 2014-3-6 14:24 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 打一地名 时间: 2014-3-6 14:32

Did you hear them when they talk? If it's not in official report, it means nothing.
狡辩是没有用的, 小朋友。
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 14:29 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

小P孩还学大人样子谈论政治。:laugh:

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 14:37
Looking at your picture, I believe you are talking about yourself 小P孩. Nice try

小P孩还学大人样子谈论政治。
打一地名发表于 2014-3-6 14:32 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 打一地名 时间: 2014-3-6 14:47

Looking at your picture, I believe you are talking about yourself 小P孩. Nice try
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 14:37 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

小P孩 :laugh:

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 14:48
We have been doing fine for the last 60 years when US is the cop in town and the western countries are the leader of the world.
We believe we will suffer miserably if Russia or China replaces US as the new cop in town and dominate the world.
That's why we support the US and EU to stop them. That's the only reason, period.

说起流氓，美国才是最流氓的国家，暗杀绑架投毒什么坏事没做过。中国人是50步笑一百步；美国人是一百步笑50步。

大家都是流氓，否则就别出来混。
SUPERFAN 发表于 2014-3-6 14:27 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: SUPERFAN 时间: 2014-3-6 15:06
我觉得世界上只有一个大流氓是非常危险的，还是两个大流氓互相制约监督，达到某种平衡，才更安全，人也可以有不同的选择。一个国家被一个政党所控制是危险的，世界被一个国家控制更危险。

We have been doing fine for the last 60 years when US is the cop in town and the western countries are the leader of the world.
We believe we will suffer miserably if Russia or China replaces US as the new cop in town and dominate the world.
That's why we support the US and EU to stop them. That's the only reason, period.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 14:48 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 15:17
本帖最后由 weinberger 于 2014-3-6 15:21 编辑

There are hundreds of countries that a lot weaker than the US (including its neighbors Canada, Mexico). But they never afraid of a US invasion which can be so easily done if it wants to. The countries that the US fought wars with are usually already in deep conflicts, ethnic cleansing, mass murder, or involved in terrorist attacks against the US, before the US intervention.
I don't think it will continue to be the case when Russia or China becomes a dominant country in the world.
As the old Chinese saying goes, there cannot be two tigers in one mountain. China can't even coexist with Japan peacefully in Asia, nor to say with US in the world. Same goes for Russia.

我觉得世界上只有一个大流氓是非常危险的，还是两个大流氓互相制约监督，达到某种平衡，才更安全，人也可以有不同的选择。一个国家被一个政党所控制是危险的，世界被一个国家控制更危险。
SUPERFAN 发表于 2014-3-6 15:06 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 10 past 6 时间: 2014-3-6 15:25
Everyone wants to live in the US, including top notch Russian and Chinese people. What are you folks trying to debate:smokin:?

作者: aaazzz 时间: 2014-3-6 15:48

Is there an official report says only the rebels used chemical weapon, or Assad regime has never used chemical weapon? Yours is not an official report either, it was just an UN official overheard what a victim said.
US reached a deal with Russia that those reports should only say whether chemical weapon was used, not who used it.(Another example of Obama's appeasement policy). But clearly only Assad government possess the advanced technologies required to manufacture, deliver and store those weapons.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 14:20 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

Please see:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/syr ... ment-forces/5363139

作者: SUPERFAN 时间: 2014-3-6 16:01
和美国有相同价值观的人是人，不同的就不是人，不配活在这个世界上么？这个世界上不是所有人都喜欢美国和他的政策，比如斯诺登，可以想象如果没有俄罗斯他们的下场会是什么？

There are hundreds of countries that a lot weaker than the US (including its neighbors Canada, Mexico). But they never afraid of a US invasion which can be so easily done if it wants to. The countries that the US fought wars with are usually already in deep conflicts, ethnic cleansing, mass murder, or involved in terrorist attacks against the US, before the US intervention.
I don't think it will continue to be the case when Russia or China becomes a dominant country in the world.
As the old Chinese saying goes, there cannot be two tigers in one mountain. China can't even coexist with Japan peacefully in Asia, nor to say with US in the world. Same goes for Russia.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 15:17 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 16:06
Global research is a ultra left-wing media. The article is an opinion and analysis by Global research, not the facts that are present in the UN report.

Please see:
aaazzz 发表于 2014-3-6 15:48 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 16:16
本帖最后由 weinberger 于 2014-3-6 16:17 编辑

This is your exaggerations. Nobody says 和美国有相同价值观的人是人，不同的就不是人. In fact, there are billions of people who have different values (like yourself) from the US living in the world, and living very well.
Edward Snowden is not a 和美国有不同价值观的人, he is a traitor who tells the world all the US national secrets he has ever known while working for the CIA. His information jeopardize US national security, compromise US defense networks against terrorists and put many Americans' lives at risk (including his CIA colleagues).
Tell me how Russia or China would react if a Russian or Chinese does the same thing to them?

和美国有相同价值观的人是人，不同的就不是人，不配活在这个世界上么？这个世界上不是所有人都喜欢美国和他的政策，比如斯诺登，可以想象如果没有俄罗斯他们的下场会是什么？
SUPERFAN 发表于 2014-3-6 16:01 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 孙参001 时间: 2014-3-6 16:23
这应该是一种入侵吧。
国家太小，相对而言，容易被大国欺负。

作者: SUPERFAN 时间: 2014-3-6 17:20
Edward 是不是叛徒在美国也有争议，更不要说其他国家。就算是叛徒，有了敢和美国作对的俄罗斯，他也有了一个归宿。中国和俄国的叛徒也一样。否则就象我一直说的，反共的可以去投靠美国；反美的就只有投靠上帝了。

This is your exaggerations. Nobody says 和美国有相同价值观的人是人，不同的就不是人. In fact, there are billions of people who have different values (like yourself) from the US living in the world, and living very well.
Edward Snowden is not a 和美国有不同价值观的人, he is a traitor who tells the world all the US national secrets he has ever known while working for the CIA. His information jeopardize US national security, compromise US defense networks against terrorists and put many Americans' lives at risk (including his CIA colleagues).
Tell me how Russia or China would react if a Russian or Chinese does the same thing to them?
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 16:16 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 17:35
There are a lot of 反共people in China and Russia, but none has done as much damages to their countries than what Snowden has done to the USA by leaking all its national secrets to its enemies.

Edward 是不是叛徒在美国也有争议，更不要说其他国家。就算是叛徒，有了敢和美国作对的俄罗斯，他也有了一个归宿。中国和俄国的叛徒也一样。否则就象我一直说的，反共的可以去投靠美国；反美的就只有投靠上帝了。
SUPERFAN 发表于 2014-3-6 17:20 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: SUPERFAN 时间: 2014-3-6 20:26
不是间谍的间谍才最危险。美国的教育制度造就了他们这样的人，泄露国家机密就快是美国人的传统了，但坏事有时候也是好事，国家安全局的保密制度会变的更严密。

There are a lot of 反共people in China and Russia, but none has done as much damages to their countries than what Snowden has done to the USA by leaking all its national secrets to its enemies.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 17:35 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: aaazzz 时间: 2014-3-6 21:30

Global research is a ultra left-wing media. The article is an opinion and analysis by Global research, not the facts that are present in the UN report.
weinberger 发表于 2014-3-6 16:06 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

你争论到最后就开始耍赖了。人家的报道是摘自UN报告的第几页，第几行。说的都是事实吧！尽管极左派专找有利于左派的段落，但那也是事实。是你要看的事实。当别人给了你了，你居然说别人是及左派，不算！至少不是中共，北韩，俄罗斯的报道吧！按你的逻辑，是不是我可以说“Assad use chemical weapon”是及右派的诬蔑呢？

作者: weinberger 时间: 2014-3-6 22:19
本帖最后由 weinberger 于 2014-3-6 22:25 编辑

Which page, which lines in the UN report said, "it's only the rebel forces that used chemical weapons against the civilians, Assad forces have never used chemical weapons?" These are all Global Research's own interpretation by cutting bits and pieces out of the UN report. Take a look at many other articles there, all filled with half truth, exaggeration and misinterpretations in order to serve their own left wing, anti-US political purposes.

你争论到最后就开始耍赖了。人家的报道是摘自UN报告的第几页，第几行。说的都是事实吧！尽管极左派专找有利于左派的段落，但那也是事实。是你要看的事实。当别人给了你了，你居然说别人是及左派，不算！至少不是中共，北韩，俄罗斯的报道吧！按你的逻辑，是不是我可以说“Assad use chemical weapon”是及右派的诬蔑呢？
aaazzz 发表于 2014-3-6 21:30 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

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