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作者: 克虏伯大炮    时间: 2013-10-16 09:21
标题: 在俄罗斯免费医疗要排长队？在俄华人如是说，请看...
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今天看到評論説中共那裏嫉妒俄羅斯免費醫療。誣衊要排隊。我在蘇聯時期就在這裏了。排隊看病，花大價錢那是中國的事。蘇聯 ——俄羅斯看病是不用排隊的！蘇俄到處是醫院，平均每四個人就有一位醫護人員。再好的醫護人員，一年還要強行休假3－4個 月，60～80％開支。

我 十幾次住院。各種檔次、好幾個城市的醫院都住過。在蘇俄，就是感冒發燒38℃，就可以打電話要救護車。救護車5～10分鐘必 然到達。處置完畢。沒有問題， 就打針用藥，車開走。如果需要住院，簡單處置以後，立刻拉走，送到專業醫院住院，不必掛號。更不要排隊。晝夜24小時都是這 樣。救護車不花錢，也不會嫌呼 你不值得叫救護車。住院常規設施完善；半小時內7～10中常規檢查都跟進了（包括翌日早晨的尿檢）。住院除了醫藥免費，伙食 費也全免！家裡不許來人護理。 要探視，只能夠16點鐘～18點鐘，穿上醫院配製都白大褂進去。一般疾病二周迴去。出院需要醫院的服務車（類似救護車），免 費送到家。

我幾次心臟 病發作，打電話5分鐘救護車到了。一看是心臟病，她們（女醫生多，都是兩位醫生進來）一遍處置，一遍打電話。在附近游弋的帶 有心電圖儀器的救護車，3分鐘 赶到。緊急檢查處置完畢，就把你送到專業醫院。蘇聯時期我住的心臟科醫院，二張床，屋內有電冰箱、黑白電視機和大型組合衣 櫃。去探視多中國人羨慕説，“在 中國部級官員能夠住這麼好多房間！）

不同病伙食有差異。女醫生親自端一盤葡萄一粒一粒餵我。

現在多伙食差了。每天一只雞蛋，一盤奶粥，一塊肉或者一段魚或者一個雞腿。主食麵包，糖茶水隨便。沒有水果和貴重食品了。大 病需要住院的，沒有排隊的。都是先收下來住院治病。臨出院，讓你辦一個醫療證明（有沒有工作的一樣享受，任何人都發給）

所有地段都有一些小醫院。這些要掛號，以便找到你多年的病誌本。簡單的小病就地處置。需要買小的常規藥品，給你開方，到市面 藥店買。這些都是廉價藥品。而需要住院到，地段醫院介紹前去專業醫院直接住下。

大 的醫院每天抽出來專業醫生診斷樂意自費檢查的人。筆者一次去檢查。16點鐘，就停止了。感到心律不齊，一般情況下躺一會就好 啦，就躺在長椅子上。下班醫生 看到了，立即過來檢查，馬上招呼另一位醫生拿來心電圖，做過以後決定住院。我就沒有動彈的權利了。醫院內動救護車趕來了，拉 到5分鐘遠的住院處，一位女護 理員推著病號車等在那裏，我坐上，她推到大電梯里，送到病房。立刻7～10種檢查都上來里，她們各司其職，連每天早晨的化驗 尿的瓶子都放到床下。5個小時 的最慢速點滴開始了，馬上病灶消失了。但是進來了，必須住二周。出院樂意去最好的療養院，療養半個月，都給安排，一律免費。

看明白了吧？俄羅斯只有小毛病需要掛號，沒有排隊等候的！不要妒忌者造謠你們也當真了！
作者: 头发乱了    时间: 2013-10-16 09:26
大炮，你又在吃大力丸了。
作者: 克虏伯大炮    时间: 2013-10-16 09:38
真假自辨，清浊自判
作者: 头发乱了    时间: 2013-10-16 09:50
真假是一回事，辩术和人品是另一回事。
作者: 共产党    时间: 2013-10-16 09:56
老乱如果有相反的事实根据，拿出来亮一亮才算。
作者: 满 江 红    时间: 2013-10-16 10:24
The Russian government is pushing through massive cuts and privatisation in the health care system. The country’s health care system is already starved financially. Health spending in Russia represents just 3.4 percent of gross domestic product (GDP). Now, this is to be further reduced. According to announcements made last year, the state budget for 2013-2015 envisages reducing health care spending by from 506.5 to 373 billion roubles.

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The assault on health care comes alongside deepening attacks on public education, where the imposition of austerity measures means that one in five colleges and 30 percent of high schools are to be closed due to “inefficiency”. Layers of the ruling elite have also long eyed Russia’s pension system as a target for cost saving. Last week, Putin called for tightening the country’s fiscal policy.
The planned cuts to the health care system and other social benefits are deeply unpopular. In a poll by the Levada Centre in 2012, most respondents reported that the miserable state of the health system was the country’s main problem. Across the country, demonstrations, strikes and hunger strikes by thousands of patients, doctors and nurses against the closure of medical facilities, wage cuts and the elimination of free health care have taken place in recent months.
In many cities, public health facilities have been privatised since the beginning of the year. In May, Moscow announced the partial privatisation of one of the city’s main hospitals. Forty percent of hospital facilities now belong to the city, while 60 percent were sold off to a private investor, where services will be provided for a fee.
The Russian daily Gazeta.r u reported that the share of facilities held by the private investor is expected to increase. The Moscow city government has already stated that this privatisation is only the prelude to a comprehensive restructuring of the city’s hospitals.
At the same time, departments are being closed in state hospitals and maternity facilities nationwide. Rural areas in particular are affected. For example, in the central Russian region of Yaroslavl, departments have been closed in dozens of maternity centres. In many villages and small towns, pregnant women are without any medical care. Due to the collapse of the infrastructure since the 1990s, the nearest cities for villagers are hard to reach. For pregnant women or the sick, in particular, it is all but impossible to travel long distances on the poorly maintained roads.
Since the beginning of the year, as part of the “restructuring” of the health system, the payment of medical staff has been outsourced from the state budget and delegated to region governments. The result has been wage cuts and staff reductions. In many regions, doctors and nurses saw their wages slashed by up to 10 percent at the beginning of the year.
While the Ministry of Health has set a minimum salary of 33,000 roubles (about ?775) for physicians, a doctor from a town near Moscow who participated in the April demonstrations reported that he now receives only 15,000 roubles (?350), plus 4,000 roubles (?94) as a bonus, after 30 years of service.
The impending cuts to the health care system will also exacerbate the already serious shortage of specialists in medicine. The Ministry of Health said it lacked some 152,000 workers last year.
Legally, a free health care system still exists in Russia. In truth, however, there is a two-tier health system, in which only the upper middle class and the wealthy can afford access to appropriate medical treatment. Many state hospitals have been privatised since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and those that remain are largely inaccessible to the majority of the population. At the same time, state-run clinics are overcrowded, their staff underpaid and their technical equipment obsolete.
In parallel with the free treatment supposedly provided in public hospitals, patients can purchase additional services. According to a survey by the ROMIR Centre, last year 65 percent of all Russians paid for medical treatment and 20 percent paid their doctors “informally”. The services offered by state institutions are usually so bad that payment is unavoidable, with patients seeking treatment in private institutions in cases of serious illness or rare diseases.
Moreover, access to medicines is often extremely difficult, if not impossible. In Moscow, following the latest cuts, only 50 percent of the required medications for patients at public institutions will be available. Currently, drugs for patients suffering from rare diseases are simply not available. Overall, Moscow lacks an estimated 6 billion roubles (?141 million) needed to meet the existing demand for medications, according to the city’s health department.
The cuts and privatisation are exacerbating a vicious circle that has been developing for years: The new privatisation measures will worsen health care in the remaining state institutions, which are diminishing in number, and at the same time, generally push up prices for medical care. For many people, hospital stays and treatment are no longer affordable. At the same time, salaries for medical staff continue to fall to the level of hunger wages, so that doctors and nurses are forced to take “informal” payments from patients merely to be able to survive.
The aim of this policy is to eliminate free health care. Given the prevalence of poverty in Russia and the precarious financial position of many more, this means denying access to medical care for the vast majority of the population.
The destruction of the already dysfunctional health care system is especially dramatic given the poor level of health of the population. Decades of brutal poverty and social attacks have ruined the health of a large part of the population. A survey by the Moscow Higher School of Economics reported 46 percent of respondents aged 15 years and older were chronically ill. Between 1990 and 2010, the overall sickness rate increased continuously year over year. Only since 2010 has there been a slight decline.
The illness rate is higher the younger the generation. In 2008, only 10 percent of Russian children and adolescents were perfectly healthy, according to the online Russian medical journal Medcom. Overall, the mortality rate is 1.4 times higher than the EU average, and life expectancy for men is lower than in third-world countries such as Bangladesh and Algeria. The Moscow Higher School of Economics also found that among the working-age population, the probability of dying is almost twice as high as in Europe. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the number of cases of mortality due to curable diseases (nutritional deficiencies, infections or parasites) has risen. For men, the number of such cases has doubled since 1990 and tripled in women.
Miserable working conditions also contribute to the high death rate. According to official figures, about one third of all employees are in jobs that do not meet minimum safety standards.
Living conditions for the population have deteriorated dramatically as result of the social counter-revolution of the last two decades. According to Medcom, half of Russia’s 140 million people in 2008 had no access to clean water, and a large part of the working population cannot afford a healthy diet. Fresh vegetables, fruit, fish, milk and meat are a luxury for many.
Official data indicate that almost 1 percent (0.8) of the population between 15 and 50 is HIV-positive; last year alone, the incidence rate increased by 12.5 percent. The mortality rate for HIV patients in 2012 grew by 14 percent. Tuberculosis has also spread enormously. In the last 15 years, the number of tuberculosis cases has more than doubled. Russia is ranked 13 in the world for countries with the highest levels of tuberculosis.
作者: 满 江 红    时间: 2013-10-16 10:27
World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan        65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu        128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar
作者: 头发乱了    时间: 2013-10-16 10:31
老乱如果有相反的事实根据，拿出来亮一亮才算。
酒中仙 发表于 2013-10-16 10:56 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    我不反驳他的内容，对他的内容没有研究过，我只怀疑他的行为方式。
作者: 克虏伯大炮    时间: 2013-10-16 10:39
满江红上了一堆东东，我没看明白。
你的意思是说俄罗斯不是免费医疗，还是其他什么？
作者: 满 江 红    时间: 2013-10-16 10:46
冤枉俺了，俺在歌颂俄罗斯从苏联时代的免费医疗体系进步成免费医疗体系。
作者: 满 江 红    时间: 2013-10-16 10:56
蘇俄到處是醫院，平均每四個人就有一位醫護人員。再好的醫護人員，一年還要強行休假3－4個 月，60～80％開支。
克虏伯大炮 发表于 2013-10-16 10:21 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    当然，俄罗斯也有很多要改进啊。公立医疗人员罢工的罢工，跳槽到私立医院的跳槽，公立医院人员严重不足，和苏俄一比，怎么好意思呢？
作者: xuxi    时间: 2013-10-16 14:40
俄罗斯免费医疗是否排长队，不知道。但在加拿大免费医疗排长队，那是实实在在的。本人九月份约专科医生，一下子给支到来年一月份。这队排的，从多伦多排到温哥华了。排着长队，你还得说加拿大的医疗系统真他妈好。
作者: Orientspear    时间: 2013-10-16 15:36
看起来俄罗斯的医疗系统比加拿大的好很多啊。没事就叫免费的救护车吧。;)
作者: 克虏伯大炮    时间: 2013-10-16 16:16
我有一段时间没回国了，对国内医疗系统的状况近期没有直接体会。所以在各位嘲笑加拿大和俄罗斯的免费医疗的同时，弱弱地问一句——是否中国的付费医疗就不排队了？？？
作者: 罗西    时间: 2014-10-4 01:21
今天看到評論説中共那裏嫉妒俄羅斯免費醫療。誣衊要排隊。我在蘇聯時期就在這裏了。排隊看病，花大價錢那是中國的事。蘇聯 ——俄羅斯看病是不用排隊的！蘇俄到處是醫院，平均每四個人就有一位醫護人員。再好的醫護人員，一年還要強行休假3－4個 月，60～80％開支。

我 十幾次住院。各種檔次、好幾個城市的醫院都住過。在蘇俄，就是感冒發燒38℃，就可以打電話要救護車。救護車5～10分鐘必 然到達。處置完畢。沒有問題， 就打針用藥，車開走。如果需要住院，簡單處置以後，立刻拉走，送到專業醫院住院，不必掛號。更不要排隊。晝夜24小時都是這 樣。救護車不花錢，也不會嫌呼 你不值得叫救護車。住院常規設施完善；半小時內7～10中常規檢查都跟進了（包括翌日早晨的尿檢）。住院除了醫藥免費，伙食 費也全免！家裡不許來人護理。 要探視，只能夠16點鐘～18點鐘，穿上醫院配製都白大褂進去。一般疾病二周迴去。出院需要醫院的服務車（類似救護車），免 費送到家。

我幾次心臟 病發作，打電話5分鐘救護車到了。一看是心臟病，她們（女醫生多，都是兩位醫生進來）一遍處置，一遍打電話。在附近游弋的帶 有心電圖儀器的救護車，3分鐘 赶到。緊急檢查處置完畢，就把你送到專業醫院。蘇聯時期我住的心臟科醫院，二張床，屋內有電冰箱、黑白電視機和大型組合衣 櫃。去探視多中國人羨慕説，“在 中國部級官員能夠住這麼好多房間！）

不同病伙食有差異。女醫生親自端一盤葡萄一粒一粒餵我。

現在多伙食差了。每天一只雞蛋，一盤奶粥，一塊肉或者一段魚或者一個雞腿。主食麵包，糖茶水隨便。沒有水果和貴重食品了。大 病需要住院的，沒有排隊的。都是先收下來住院治病。臨出院，讓你辦一個醫療證明（有沒有工作的一樣享受，任何人都發給）

所有地段都有一些小醫院。這些要掛號，以便找到你多年的病誌本。簡單的小病就地處置。需要買小的常規藥品，給你開方，到市面 藥店買。這些都是廉價藥品。而需要住院到，地段醫院介紹前去專業醫院直接住下。

大 的醫院每天抽出來專業醫生診斷樂意自費檢查的人。筆者一次去檢查。16點鐘，就停止了。感到心律不齊，一般情況下躺一會就好 啦，就躺在長椅子上。下班醫生 看到了，立即過來檢查，馬上招呼另一位醫生拿來心電圖，做過以後決定住院。我就沒有動彈的權利了。醫院內動救護車趕來了，拉 到5分鐘遠的住院處，一位女護 理員推著病號車等在那裏，我坐上，她推到大電梯里，送到病房。立刻7～10種檢查都上來里，她們各司其職，連每天早晨的化驗 尿的瓶子都放到床下。5個小時 的最慢速點滴開始了，馬上病灶消失了。但是進來了，必須住二周。出院樂意去最好的療養院，療養半個月，都給安排，一律免費。

看明白了吧？俄羅斯只有小毛病需要掛號，沒有排隊等候的！不要妒忌者造謠你們也當真了！克虏伯大炮 发表于 2013-10-16 10:21 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

咳吧大疱，你轮子邪教徒自从克里米亚那啥以后，你肉麻颂扬俄罗斯， 这事好像不提了， 是哈



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