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标题: 请高手指点, 帮忙翻译这句 [打印本页]
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-2 22:39
标题: 请高手指点, 帮忙翻译这句
本帖最后由 一世人生 于 2010-4-3 11:25 编辑
哪位高手帮我翻译 If you have no regrets, you need to get out more. 的意思.
谢谢.
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-3 10:29
没有高手? 这里应是高手集聚地.
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-3 10:34
如果你没有遗憾,你需要赋予/付出更多的. 对吗? 又不象.
作者: 暖阳 时间: 2010-4-3 11:19
既然无怨无悔，就放手去搏吧。
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-3 11:56
谢谢,非常的感谢.:thumbu:
作者: 海外有孤忠 时间: 2010-4-3 22:52
本帖最后由 海外有孤忠 于 2010-4-4 00:00 编辑
人若无遗憾，则需经历更多遗憾[如何翻译下半句，我拿不准]。
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-3 23:54
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-3 23:38 编辑
This is actually a gay pride rally cry used by the gay/homosexual community to encourage the community to feel more comfortable with their own sexual preference. It means that if you have no regrets about your own sexual preference, whether you are gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender, you should not be afraid to get (come) out of the closet and be open about it.
"Get out" comes from the term "come out of the closet".
The following quote is from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_out
"Coming out of the closet, or simply coming out, is a figure of speech for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people disclosing their sexual orientation and gender identity."
Hope this helps.
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 00:00
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-3 23:34 编辑
See 7 # above.
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 00:03
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-3 23:25 编辑
Very close translation. Please see 7# above for more background. See if you can revise your translation to bring out the true spirit of the slogan.
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-4 08:41
本帖最后由 一世人生 于 2010-4-4 09:45 编辑
回复 7# 香港来的鸟人
you are ridiculous. I ask for " to get out more" ,do not for "Coming out of the closet, or simply coming out," ,anyway thank you for your time and energy to find out the special usage for"Coming out of the closet, or simply coming out," .
I didn't find out any special usage for "need to get out more" as followings:
1.Get Out More: 6 Ways to Be More Social
2.Why we all need to get out more. Humanity has gone back to its origins. We live in caves again, but the cave is now a glass palace. David Nicholson-Lord sees unpleasant results for our social and cultural lives, as well as for our health
3.http://blogs.lablit.com/2010/01/i-need-to-get-out-more/Ihttp://blogs.lablit.com/2010/01/i-need-to-get-out-more/I[/url] need to get out more[/url] :Most people would drop an oven mitt on the floor and wouldjust see an oven mitt. not a geek.http://blogs.lablit.com/2010/01/i-need-to-get-out-more/http://blogs.lablit.com/2010/01/i-need-to-get-out-more/[/url]This is a myosinmotor – no question.[/url]
4. ridiculing school buildings? You need to get out more. A great way to break out of the norm and get inspired isto distance yourself from your daily routineshttp://spyrestudios.com/inspiration-surrounds-you-get-out-there-and-experience-it/InspirationSurroundshttp://spyrestudios.com/inspiration-surrounds-you-get-out-there-and-experience-it/InspirationSurrounds[/url] You. Get Out There and Experience it![/url]pending time with your head buried intechnology can cause you to block out the real world.
Things that once inspired us seem faded andunnoticeable. I can’t remember one thing that caught my attention this morningon my way to work. My daily commute has become so routine, so blurry. Maybeit’s because I don’t feel the need to seek inspiration anymore away from mylaptop.
We all needto get out more and see the world for the insiration it really is
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-4 08:42
thank you.
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 09:08
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-4 08:21 编辑
回复 pending time with your head buried intechnology can cause you to block out the real world.Things that once inspired us seem faded andunnoticeable. I can’t remember one thing that caught my attention this morningon my way to work. My daily commute has become so routine, so blurry. Maybeit’s because I don’t feel the need to seek inspiration anymore away from mylaptop.We all needto get out more and see the world for the insiration it really is
一世人生 发表于 2010-4-4 07:41 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
Rediculous ? Far from it.
Have you actually read my note in detail? I have actually seen that slogan posted in the gay community in the City I live in. The phrase "get out" has a more active particpatory meaning than "come out" and that's why they used it instead.
Your interpretation of the term "get out" would render the whole sentence meaningless: why would someone say "If you have no regrets", no regrets on what? No regrets on being gay is the only sensible interpretation.
If you choose to discard my helpful explanation, you are free to do so, but I do stand by my interpretation and I challenge anyone here to reply with a well researched rebuttal.
OK, end of my English lesson for the day :smily:
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-4 11:31
maybe you are right, I am not sure.
作者: 和者盖寡 时间: 2010-4-4 11:51
你如果在网络上一搜索，就会发现它被广泛的使用，应该属于俗语、警世名言。我特意问了一个在英语环境下长大的，其回答是：你若不后悔，你则应继续作为，更多作为。它的一般意义是激发人努力向前，向上的。
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 11:53
该干嘛干嘛去
这个香港鸟人正白痴仔,COME OUT在LGBTQQ社群里是个相当神圣不可侵犯的语言,是鼓励孤立无援的LGBTQQ从心理上行为上跑出来认同自己,是他们经过一个艰苦过程达到的成果不会随便用其他语言代替。LGBT已经有二十多年历史,现在已经发展到LGBTQQ,很明显鸟人不懂在装B,还在说LGBT呢!!!
GET OUT是个每日用英语.是鼓励别人多点跑出去,扩大生活圈子,达到他们西方人说的SELF ACTUALIZATION,用现代语言说就是不要宅在家里。
翻译是个高深学问,低手翻文字,中手翻文化,高手翻意境。早上看过鸟人白痴反应,我想啊想也想不到好的,想过读万卷书不如行万里路,爱过痛过恨过,天长地久曾经拥有。不是文字不对,就是文化或意境有问题。
想不出就抱着女友在床上好好的看电视剧,海清做的毛豆豆,BINGO,就是这句对白,一个很好的意境翻译。豆豆弟弟毛锋每天在余味工作室呆着,呆得另人心烦,余味把毛锋大力的推出去是说了一句很地道地中文,意思就是GET OUT,这句对白是”该干嘛干嘛去” 。
总之GET OUT和COME OUT是两两码事,不要看见个老字就以为老虎跟老鼠是一样的。也麻烦鸟人不要在GOOGLE啥玩意COME OUT,我们都是专业人员,COME OUT这个词我们比你懂的多,我们也会用百度,GOOGLE。
在这里就让蔡依林好好的唱给鸟人听:老虎老鼠傻傻分不清楚,去歌….蔡依林野蛮游戏!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDIFGgjC0YU&feature=fvw
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 14:12
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-4 13:19 编辑
回复 15# 7 hao
7 hao, 7 hao, 夏虫不可以语于冰者，笃于时也!
Sigh ! I am dumbfounded by your ignorance. 
As soon as the weather gets warmer, you see swarms of insects coming out en masse, but will they stay alive past Summer? What do they know about cold weather, snow and ice ?
You do have a good explanation on the meaning of "If you have no regrets", don't you?
Maybe you will get some much needed inspiration by revisiting the following treatise:
庄子.秋水
秋水时至，百川灌河；泾流之大，两涘渚崖之间不辩牛马。于是焉河伯欣然自喜，以天下之美为尽在己。顺流而东行，至于北海，东面而视，不见水端。于是焉河伯始旋其面目，望洋向若而叹曰：“野语有之曰，‘闻道百，以为莫己若’者，我之谓也。且夫我尝闻少仲尼之闻而轻伯夷之义者，始吾弗信；今我睹子之难穷也，吾非至于子之门则殆矣，吾长见笑于大方之家。”
北海若曰：“井鼃不可以语于海者，拘于虚也；夏虫不可以语于冰者，笃于时也；曲士不可以语于道者，束于教也。今尔出于崖涘，观于大海，乃知尔丑，尔将可与语大理矣。天下之水，莫大于海，万川归之，不知何时止而不盈；尾闾泄之，不知何时已而不虚；春秋不变，水旱不知。此其过江河之流，不可为量数。而吾未尝以此自多者，自以比形于天地而受气于阴阳，吾在于天地之间，犹小石小木之在大山也。方存乎见少，又奚以自多！计四海之在天地之间也，不似礨空之在大泽乎？计中国之在海内，不似稊米之在大仓乎？号物之数谓之万，人处一焉；人卒九州，谷食之所生，舟车之所通，人处一焉；此其比万物也，不似豪末之在于马体乎？五帝之所连，三王之所争，仁人之所忧，任士之所劳，尽此矣！伯夷辞之以为名，仲尼语之以为博，此其自多也；不似尔向之自多于水乎？”
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 16:17
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作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-4 17:10
谢谢. 我很认同你的解释. 只是身在他他乡, 不熟悉他们的文化和特殊状况,怕闹出笑话来.
作者: 和者盖寡 时间: 2010-4-4 17:23
我开始也很不确定，搜索了半天，又问了别人。
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-4 17:34
回复 15# 7 hao
谢谢 7好 好和 你的好意. 我知道这里是藏龙卧虎的地方, 许多高人藏身此中, 所以我喜欢这个版块,从阅读人们的贴子到人们的观点,我可以收益良多.再次谢谢.
作者: 和者盖寡 时间: 2010-4-4 18:14
标题: Check out this:
本帖最后由 和者盖寡 于 2010-4-4 19:38 编辑
http://princessshileensblog.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html
Wednesday, January 09, 2008
wednesday
Today was not all that exciting, but tomorrow is gonna be busy. First I have to go to the orthodontist to get Jordans wires removed, then to the dentist to have her last baby tooth pulled, then back to the ortho for the wire to be put back onto her braces, then around lunch time I'm going up to church to help Danielle the rest of the day with the 318 school of ministry stuff. Then at 7, we have our first 318 class, then at 9pm, Marty's coming over to watch the Spurs game.
on a whole other topic..
I have this sign in my study that reads.."If you have no regrets, you need to get out more"
I used to think that I had alot of regrets, now I'm wondering if I really would change anything. Even the bad has brought me to where I am today. Then again, without the things I regret , maybe I'd be miles ahead of where I am..
在我书房里有这样的一幅字帖："If you have no regrets, you need to get out more"。
我过去总认为我有很多懊悔，现在我怀疑我是否真地改变了什么。实际上坏事情把我带到了今天的地步。接下来依旧如此，如果我没有那些懊恼之事，我可能超前于我现在的位置百里之外。
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 20:10
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-14 22:14 编辑
Tsk, tsk. Such temper!!
Relax 7 hao, this is just a forum and everyone is just having fun with each other to pass the time. You are taking it too personally. I am not trying to take over your scent marked territory here. Take it easy so you don't get a heart attack. I would feel awful. :eyebrows:
卧虎 ? It does not take much to make 7 hao wimper in pain like an injured kitten for all to see now, does it? The problem with people like yourself is they are so quick to insult someone's defenseless mother. Aren't you man enough to try another plan of attack? Mine is truly defenseless now, sleeping 6 feet under, God bless her soul. She would have whooped your sorry little behind had she heard you; she was one tough woman.
Were you a little Red Guard in your previous life? Good thing the likes of you did not gain control of China while you had a chance or China would be in deeper doo doo than they are in now.:thumbd:
Despite your violent outbursts and rage, I don't think all 大陆人 are like that. There are only a few bad apples like yourself who hang around here, taking out whatever is bothering them and their frustration by abusing people over very minor perceived slights. Sad isn't it?
Your deep seated anger towards people from Hong Kong is very puzzling, did you have a bad boss who was from HK ? I suggest you might want to go see a shrink as soon as possible or you can get yourself in to a heap of trouble one of these days.
Perhaps a little of this will help cleanse your dirty mouth ? :laugh: It's on sale for 49 cents plus tax a bar at No Frills, make sure you get one with lavender scent.
Nightie night for now. Leave me your angry tirades again if you like, and if that makes you feel better about yourself, I am game.
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-4 20:13
本帖最后由 一世人生 于 2010-4-4 21:14 编辑
回复 22# 和者盖寡
谢谢.
我在字典中查出:
if n (infml) uncertainty:
if he wins - and it's a big if - he'll be the first Englishman to win for twenty years.
假使他赢了 -- 是否能赢还是一大疑问 -- 他将是二十年来第一个获胜的英国人.
所以我想也许If you have no regrets, you need to get out more.可翻译为:
无论有没有遗憾(懊悔),你都需要经常的打破旧框框(常规) 或.....就象 7好 说的"想过读万卷书不如行万里路,爱过痛过恨过,天长地久曾经拥有。不是文字不对,就是文化或意境有问题。" 我明白他的意思.是错也好对也好都是一种感受,人应该多经历,多见识多...
这样也和你的日记
Today was not all that exciting, but tomorrow is gonna be busy. First Ihave to go to the orthodontist to get Jordans wires removed, then tothe dentist to have her last baby tooth pulled, then back to the orthofor the wire to be put back onto her braces, then around lunch time I'mgoing up to church to help Danielle the rest of the day with the 318school of ministry stuff. Then at 7, we have our first 318 class, thenat 9pm, Marty's coming over to watch the Spurs game.对上了.
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 20:23
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-4 19:24 编辑
回复 22# 和者盖寡
I have picked up this one as well. I did not bring it up because I tried to dig deeper into the source of the saying as I did see a similar saying posted in the gay community once. It could very well be that they were using a 警世名言 like you said. A case of chicken and egg, which came first, kind of thing. Thanks for providing another point of view without getting into a lot of yellings and cussings. :yes:
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 20:46
回复 24# 一世人生
This is unsolicited, but your signature tagline is a little hard to understand.
You wrote "I know what I am and how did people feel me. this is enough for me."
I can guess what you are trying to convey but it is not quite idiomatic.
Why don't you ask everyone to reword it a little for you to make it easier for people to understand. I could be a good learning experience.
作者: 和者盖寡 时间: 2010-4-4 21:11
Know Yourself and Know Others
老子：知人者智 知己者明。“Knowing others is wisdom, knowing yourself is enlightenment.” Lao Tzu quote
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 21:15
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-4 20:17 编辑
It's a good start. What about his/her "this is enough for me" ? you need to work that in somehow.
How about something like this, somewhat along the line of that tagline:
'I know what I am and how people feel about me. That is good enough for me." ?
Not as philosphical as yours, but pretty close to the intent of the tagline.
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:37
我没脾气,无时无刻说粗话的是粗人,对你说粗话是有需要,有些人好像你是要屌的。 来51玩的都尽兴而回,来找答案的我们会尽力帮忙,不像你在扮大佬,以为就只有你懂英语,还说什么今天英语课,就靠你这幅德性???
别以为你由英国奶养大,大陆人都是笨蛋,我们对LGBTQQ认识比你多,我们写的英语比你强,不要在这里BS我们大陆人。就我这个无能七号每天在政府写政策法律文件影响你的一生也不会用这种态度。
COME OUT 等于GET OUT,你真懂开玩笑,还给别人上课????
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 21:41
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-4 20:45 编辑
我没脾气,无时无刻说粗话的是粗人,对你说粗话是有需要,有些人好像你是要屌的。 来51玩的都尽兴而回,来找答案的我们会尽力帮忙,不像你在扮大佬,以为就只有你懂英语,还说什么今天英语课,就靠你这幅德性???
别以为你由英国奶养大,大陆人都是笨蛋,我们对LGBTQQ认识比你多,我们写的英语比你强,不要在这里BS我们大陆人。就我这个无能七号每天在政府写政策法律文件影响你的一生也不会用这种态度。
COME OUT 等于GET OUT,你真懂开玩笑,还给别人上课????
7 hao 发表于 2010-4-4 20:37 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
Whatever. I am speechless. You are the best there is, OK ? You can quote me on that. Now go back to sleep. :aplain:
Some people can dish it out but have no stomach to take it in.
| Time to get out of the closet |
| By: Subhash K Jha | Date: 2009-07-03 | |
|
Mumbai: Section 377 of the IPC, which declared homosexuality to be illegal, has been repealed. Bollywood rejoices...
Homosexuality is not a phenomenon restricted to one country, culture or community, All over the world, some http://www.mid-day.com/imagedata/2009/jul/shogun.jpgof the finest minds are inclined towards same-sex relationships. What is wrong with that, as long as two people are happy?
Shatrughan Sinha: "Old rusty laws are like useless politicians. They should be thrown out. I'm glad Section 377 has been repealed. What two people do in the privacy of their bedroom is nobody's business, certainly not the government's. Abbas Tyrewala: I'm amazed and delighted. It's a step I thought we wouldn't be ready to take for another twenty years. Now if only we showed the same maturity in providing the right to freedom and option in marriage, religion, censorship, etc.Sanjay Suri: Criminalisation of gay sex among consenting adults was a violation of fundamental human rights. It's a progressive judgement. The law should have been done away with ages ago.John Abraham: I think the right to personal choice is a fundamental right. Thank God the law against homosexuals has been repealed. Yes, I've a lot gay fans. Even if I hadn't, I'd still be very happy if the gay community gets a voice and a choice. I've been brought up in liberal Parsi-Catholic household. I believe minorities don't exist any longer. Every community (including homo- sexuals) has a majority voice.Rituparno Ghosh: Better late than never!
Raima Sen: Good for democracy.
Manisha Koirala: Some of my closest friends are gay, and they are among the best human beings I know. I think such an ancient law needed to be repealed long ago. We live in contemporary times when people of all genders and sexual preferences must be looked at in the same line of vision.
Celina Jaitly: I'm overwhelmed. It's a turning point in the history of human rights in the world's largest democracy. It's also a personal victory for me since I've been fighting for gay rights. Now they can walk with their heads held high. A new beginning.Irrfan Khan: It's a sign of a system adopting a viewpoint that indicates openness. This will rid the guilt that gays live with and stop police exploitation of the community. I played a gay character in Mira Nair's short film directed by Zoya Akhtar. I researched on their anguish. It was terrifying.Tarun Mansukhani: It's a huge achievement and I'm proud to have been part of this movement through my film Dostana. The repeal of this outdated law gives homosexuals an identity and a legal recognition. Today they've the right to their freedom.Kunal Kohli: Freedom of choice is very important in a democracy. That should not be cramped when it comes to sexual preferences. This is a progressive step by a progressive government."Neha Dhupia: I think it is great. We're a free country. And the biggest freedom is the freedom of choice. I fully support the judgement. It's a very progressive step.Rajeev Khandelwal: I believe in, to each his own. That article 377 has been repealed reveals a very mature attitude to a universal issue.Mahesh Bhatt: This is a defining moment in the history of free India. No government has the right to tell its citizens when or whom to love. The only 'queer' people are those who propagate hate.Chitrangada singh: I think it's great. Every individual has the right to self-expression. Homosexuality didn't stop existing just because we all denied it. I'm all for it.Amrita Arora: It's high time we treated gay couples like any normal heterosexual pair. I've a lot of gay friends and I'm very happy for them. In our society, legal acceptance is equivalent to social acceptance.Neil Nitin Mukesh: Thank God people realised homosexuals are human beings with deep emotions and urges for which they were being punished for years. Now they can live peacefully without the law breathing down their necks. This change was long overdue.
Riya Sen: Most of my closest friends are homosexuals. I'm very happy for the gay community.Subhash Ghai: I'm always receptive to the changing world and the truth about human nature being revealed. Since the inner truth is always more real than the social truth the reality within takes time to come out and be accepted by society.Madhur Bhandarkar: I fully support the Delhi High Court's decision. A progressive move.Sonu Sood: Better late than never. It's good to see our Constitution has finally grown. Everyone has the right to live and love the way he wants. Upen Patel: I think it's a great move forward by the government and for Indian society. Everyone should have the right to choose whom they want to be without the fear of being labelled a criminal.Neetu Chandra: It's a great move to understand and provide rights to those who were long denied the freedom to be themselves.Purab Kohli: Super. It's a giant step ahead in the image India is building globally.Shekhar Kapoor: This should've been done long agoApoorva Lakhia: May the force be with them. About time. A right step in the right direction for the New India.Sushmita Sen: I always salute decisions that celebrate an individual's right to choose. I could never understand any form of love or any kind of relationship being 'criminal'. I'm very proud of the government for finally recognising that homosexuality can't be judged. Mugdha Godse: I welcome this decision with open arms. I'm happy a man now has as much right to love a man as he has the right to love a woman. Gays no longer need to hide their feelings. I'm happy for many of my friends. Rensil D'Silva: About time we got out of the dark ages.
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作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:45
這个鸟人,别人要翻译,你拿一个不同意义COME OUT BS 别人,又说教别人英语,你D伤港人,只懂上大陆叫鸡,今天上51扮大佬咯,正J种。
今天好好弄清楚,那点根据,那里LITERATURE说COME OUT等于GET OUT。如果没根据,不要在这里狗UP
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 21:47
這个鸟人,别人要翻译,你拿一个不同意义COME OUT BS 别人,又说教别人英语,你D伤港人,只懂上大陆叫鸡,今天上51扮大佬咯,正J种。
今天好好弄清楚,那点根据,那里LITERATURE说COME OUT等于GET OUT。如果没根据,不要在这里狗UP
7 hao 发表于 2010-4-4 20:45 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
Time to get out of the closet
By: Subhash K Jha Date: 2009-07-03
Mumbai:
Section 377 of the IPC, which declared homosexuality to be illegal, has been repealed. Bollywood rejoices...
Homosexuality is not a phenomenon restricted to one country, culture or community, All over the world, some of the finest minds are inclined towards same-sex relationships. What is wrong with that, as long as two people are happy?
Shatrughan Sinha: "Old rusty laws are like useless politicians. They should be thrown out. I'm glad Section 377 has been repealed. What two people do in the privacy of their bedroom is nobody's business, certainly not the government's.
Abbas Tyrewala: I'm amazed and delighted. It's a step I thought we wouldn't be ready to take for another twenty years. Now if only we showed the same maturity in providing the right to freedom and option in marriage, religion, censorship, etc.
Sanjay Suri: Criminalisation of gay sex among consenting adults was a violation of fundamental human rights. It's a progressive judgement. The law should have been done away with ages ago.
John Abraham: I think the right to personal choice is a fundamental right. Thank God the law against homosexuals has been repealed. Yes, I've a lot gay fans. Even if I hadn't, I'd still be very happy if the gay community gets a voice and a choice. I've been brought up in liberal Parsi-Catholic household. I believe minorities don't exist any longer. Every community (including homo- sexuals) has a majority voice.
Rituparno Ghosh: Better late than never!
Raima Sen: Good for democracy.
Manisha Koirala: Some of my closest friends are gay, and they are among the best human beings I know. I think such an ancient law needed to be repealed long ago. We live in contemporary times when people of all genders and sexual preferences must be looked at in the same line of vision.
Celina Jaitly: I'm overwhelmed. It's a turning point in the history of human rights in the world's largest democracy. It's also a personal victory for me since I've been fighting for gay rights. Now they can walk with their heads held high. A new beginning.
Irrfan Khan: It's a sign of a system adopting a viewpoint that indicates openness. This will rid the guilt that gays live with and stop police exploitation of the community. I played a gay character in Mira Nair's short film directed by Zoya Akhtar. I researched on their anguish. It was terrifying.
Tarun Mansukhani: It's a huge achievement and I'm proud to have been part of this movement through my film Dostana. The repeal of this outdated law gives homosexuals an identity and a legal recognition. Today they've the right to their freedom.
Kunal Kohli: Freedom of choice is very important in a democracy. That should not be cramped when it comes to sexual preferences. This is a progressive step by a progressive government."
Neha Dhupia: I think it is great. We're a free country. And the biggest freedom is the freedom of choice. I fully support the judgement. It's a very progressive step.
Rajeev Khandelwal: I believe in, to each his own. That article 377 has been repealed reveals a very mature attitude to a universal issue.
Mahesh Bhatt: This is a defining moment in the history of free India. No government has the right to tell its citizens when or whom to love. The only 'queer' people are those who propagate hate.
Chitrangada singh: I think it's great. Every individual has the right to self-expression. Homosexuality didn't stop existing just because we all denied it. I'm all for it.
Amrita Arora: It's high time we treated gay couples like any normal heterosexual pair. I've a lot of gay friends and I'm very happy for them. In our society, legal acceptance is equivalent to social acceptance.
Neil Nitin Mukesh: Thank God people realised homosexuals are human beings with deep emotions and urges for which they were being punished for years. Now they can live peacefully without the law breathing down their necks. This change was long overdue.
Riya Sen: Most of my closest friends are homosexuals. I'm very happy for the gay community.
Subhash Ghai: I'm always receptive to the changing world and the truth about human nature being revealed. Since the inner truth is always more real than the social truth the reality within takes time to come out and be accepted by society.
Madhur Bhandarkar: I fully support the Delhi High Court's decision. A progressive move.
Sonu Sood: Better late than never. It's good to see our Constitution has finally grown. Everyone has the right to live and love the way he wants.
Upen Patel: I think it's a great move forward by the government and for Indian society. Everyone should have the right to choose whom they want to be without the fear of being labelled a criminal.
Neetu Chandra: It's a great move to understand and provide rights to those who were long denied the freedom to be themselves.
Purab Kohli: Super. It's a giant step ahead in the image India is building globally.
Shekhar Kapoor: This should've been done long ago
Apoorva Lakhia: May the force be with them. About time. A right step in the right direction for the New India.
Sushmita Sen: I always salute decisions that celebrate an individual's right to choose. I could never understand any form of love or any kind of relationship being 'criminal'. I'm very proud of the government for finally recognising that homosexuality can't be judged.
Mugdha Godse: I welcome this decision with open arms. I'm happy a man now has as much right to love a man as he has the right to love a woman. Gays no longer need to hide their feelings. I'm happy for many of my friends.
Rensil D'Silva: About time we got out of the dark ages.
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作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:47
不要以为一是香港人就可以侮辱大陆同胞,说清楚,你有啥资格上课,叫大陆人错误英语
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 21:50
這个鸟人,别人要翻译,你拿一个不同意义COME OUT BS 别人,又说教别人英语,你D伤港人,只懂上大陆叫鸡,今天上51扮大佬咯,正J种。
今天好好弄清楚,那点根据,那里LITERATURE说COME OUT等于GET OUT。如果没根据,不要在这里狗UP
7 hao 发表于 2010-4-4 20:45 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
GET OUT! OF THE CLOSET!
Screening at Lawndale Art Center
presented by B & G & Lightfoot Productions and Zenfilm
Friday, April 9, 2010
8 PM
A breakthrough in reality television, “Get Out! Of The Closet!” follows host Natty Ice as she crosses the country helping those struggling with their sexuality in a direct, no-nonsense, in-your-face fashion. She dishes out truth sticks – sticks made out of THE TRUTH - to each and every Closet CaseTM that she meets, inspiring them to lead a brand new life full of exciting opportunities. Natty emphasizes (through an intervention-style confrontation) that there’s no reason to live your life full of shame, or more importantly, full of shame-rage. Each person that appears on the show is given carte blanche access to the life they could have – opportunities to say yes to themselves, to fussy meals and tight, expensive clothing – to explore themselves, their own bodies, and the bodies of strangers who share the same sex. If you, a loved one or even a casual acquaintance needs to GET OUT! And OUT OF THE CLOSET!, the bold new reality show is for you!
www.getoutofthecloset.tv
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:51
不要办大佬,在这句GET OUT和LZ那句一样吗,LZ的是If you have no regrets, you need to get out more,你是在断章取义,哪里和楼主问的问题一样
弄清楚,你是不是来51跟大陆人上课,你老几啊!!!
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:52
你以为香港人高高在上,大陆人啥都不懂,要你来51叫大陆人英语,叫他们如何GOOGLE COME OUT
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 21:53
Aren't you a little too sensitive? I have never said anything bad bout 大陆同胞. I am one of them too. You are getting a little cranky aren't you ? Now pipe the f**& down. Go back to the f789ing bed !!
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:53
是不是,你是不是来这里教大陆人英语,说
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:54
是不是你的英语比大陆同胞好,说
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:55
是你说的今天的英语课完了,啥态度
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 21:56
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-4 22:13 编辑
回复 31# 7 hao
這个鸟人,别人要翻译,你拿一个不同意义COME OUT BS 别人,又说教别人英语,你D伤港人,只懂上大陆叫鸡,今天上51扮大佬咯,正J种。
今天好好弄清楚,那点根据,那里LITERATURE说COME OUT等于GET OUT。如果没根据,不要在这里狗UP
7 hao 发表于 2010-4-4 20:45 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
This tirade is uncalled for - "你D伤港人,只懂上大陆叫鸡,今天上51扮大佬咯,正J种", but I take no offense as some 伤港人,只懂上大陆叫鸡.
Get Out of the Closet is a gay themed play that's performed around the U.S.
http://indiehouston.org/film/wor ... -out-of-the-closet/
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:56
你的态度就是大陆人笨,大陆人啥不懂,要你这个香港人来51叫你们大陆人英语,教你们什么叫和本地人生活
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 21:57
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-4 22:05 编辑
這个鸟人,别人要翻译,你拿一个不同意义COME OUT BS 别人,又说教别人英语,你D伤港人,只懂上大陆叫鸡,今天上51扮大佬咯,正J种。
今天好好弄清楚,那点根据,那里LITERATURE说COME OUT等于GET OUT。如果没根据,不要在这里狗UP
7 hao 发表于 2010-4-4 20:45 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
You and everyone be the judge, a Google search on "Get out of the closet" key words received 1,210,000 hits. You are welcome to comb through every one of them.
[table=371][/table]Webhttp://www.google.com/search?q=%22get+out+of+the+closet%22&hl=en&sa=G&tbo=1
Hide optionsShow options...[/url]
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,210,000 for "get out of the closet". (0.23 seconds
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:57
是不是,你来是提大陆人上英语可,因为他们蠢,他们笨,他们什么都不懂
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:58
你来51是带领大陆同胞学习先进英语,先进地COME OUT,大陆人不懂,要你教,说….
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 21:59
你拿什么教大陆同胞英语,你来51是高高在上教导这些笨蛋大陆人,是不是????
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 22:00
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-4 23:22 编辑
Boy, you do have a problem. Too sad !!
As an afterthought, 7 hao was either drunk or have just gone through a traumatic experience. ;)
I hope he feels better tomorrow.
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:00
你说的清楚呢,今天英语课下了,那态度就是大陆人怎么那么笨,這些都不懂
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:01
不要以为你有能力写几只英文,拿这种态度侮辱英文不好的大陆同胞
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:02
有能力的写几句中文,不要整天COPYING AND PASTING,
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:03
说,写几句中文有多难,硬要写英语,因为我们不懂嘛,写几句中文有多难
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:04
是你说的,大陆人不懂,要你来教英语,有人挑战你,便说今天下课了,怎么拉,你来51是要提大陆同胞上英语课的,是不是
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:05
写几句中文吖,写中文很耻辱嘛
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:07
LZ叫翻译,你翻译了啥东西,拿COME OUT说事,有种写几句翻译LZ要的,知道什么是LZ吗???不知道因为你们香港人总以为自己高高在上,不用学LZ或中国人说的用语
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:08
香港人真的是高高在上吗???你的态度就因为自己高高在上
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:09
中国人啊,认清楚这种香港人,他们对大陆同胞态度,今天回归祖国,他们拿的态度是中国人蠢,中国人笨,中国人要他教英语,中国人要他教LGBT,总之,中国人要教,要管
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:11
跑到那里去,来啊鸟人,是不是你们香港鸟人比大陆人高级???
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:11
就是這样,你就是认为中国人笨,大陆人不懂英语,要你教,是吗
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:13
就是,你就是认为个个大陆人有问题,要你教导,你的使命是来51教导大陆人,是吗
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-4 22:14
有能力写英文,没能力写几句中文会应,是啥意思,在中国人网站写英语,笑中国人笨,连简单英语也不懂,要你教导
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 22:27
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-6 07:53 编辑
I did not have to respond to tirades like this. But I think I owe people here a clarification.
First of all, I had stated up front that I was not good using any Chinese word processor. Also being in the U.S. for so long, much longer than most people in this forum have been alive I suspect, had I tried, my Chinese would come out looking so archaic no one would understand. Most people do not have problems with that, except possibly you. I am a little puzzled as to why you had reacted this way. It's a little over the top. All along, you would not leave me alone. You kept correcting my English, telling me I was writing Chinese English. I have been playing along in good humor, never took offense.
When 二握 said my English was 地道, you came out in full force laughing at my "Chinese English". I did not take offense either as I thought that was funny. Then you attacked me unprovoked several more times. I just brushed them off. I had no idea you were boiling mad deep inside. When you called me 香港来的鸟人, I did not take offense, when you used those awful names on me, I responded with humor. What more do you want from me ?
One other thing, I had started to write in this forum to show a different point of view from Weinberger's. He always writes in English so I responded to all his postings in English. Why didn't you complain and attack him like you did me ? Was it because his name sounded like someone you should stay away from ? This is a question you should ask yourself.
I will not be intimidated. I will continue to write in my Chinglish. If you don't like it, you have the option not to read any.
Good night for now. Peace ! :aplain:
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 22:34
I feel truefully awful dragging you through all of this. You just asked a very simple innocent question and inadvertently started a firestorm. I am sorry.
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 22:50
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-4 22:50 编辑
I do not disparage any 大陆人 as I consider myself one of them. I was born and grew up in China. I have lived in the U.S. much longer than I have lived in Hong Kong. So your accusation is a little unfounded. I consider everyone here fellow 网友, regardless where they are from. I make fun of Weinberger, people from Hong Kong, people from Taiwan, and yes, people from China too. I am an equall opportunity offender with my sarcasm. I suggest you do not take it personally. ;)
作者: velocity 时间: 2010-4-4 22:53
中国人啊,认清楚这种香港人,他们对大陆同胞态度,今天回归祖国,他们拿的态度是中国人蠢,中国人笨,中国人要他教英语,中国人要他教LGBT,总之,中国人要教,要管
7 hao 发表于 2010-4-4 23:09 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
海藻，不要上纲上线嘛！
说真心话，这个鸟人的英文水平远远在一般大陆人的水平之上
他引用的很多俚语是英文没有透彻研究过的人不具备的
真的要好好向他学习！
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 22:58
You got that wrong. At first, my one and only purpose was to argue with Weinberger. He/she seems to write English very well and I wanted to present everyone with a different point of view in English. Then I branched out as Weinberger would not address some of my arguments directly.
"先进地COME OUT,大陆人不懂,要你教,说…." That's your own interpretation. I cannot control what you think.
作者: 和者盖寡 时间: 2010-4-4 23:00
能者为师，互相学习。7 hao 和鸟人都有自己的特长。这才符合一世人生的本意：I know what I am and how did people feel me. this is enough for me
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 23:02
Would you believe me if I told you that thought never crossed my mind?
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 23:06
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-4 22:25 编辑
You said my English was Chinese English, 啥态度 ?? :confused:
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 23:21
Thank you, thank you. However, flattery will only get you so far. I will still not cut you any slack if you argue with me on why Western style democracy is great for China now. I will pound on you and get you all mad.
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-4 23:24
The Sage has finally spoken ! Now I can go in peace. :O
作者: look4fun 时间: 2010-4-4 23:25
" 7 hao u do have a problem
作者: 野山 时间: 2010-4-5 00:15
匆匆一瞥：
7号其好；鸟人不像好鸟；和者盖寡可以，和善、团结、大气。
作者: 刀近平 时间: 2010-4-5 00:45
英语水平越高，汉奸程度越高
作者: 海外有孤忠 时间: 2010-4-5 05:16
怪不得有几个跟帖写的英语如此地道，原来在美国生活许多年，天外有天，我绝对写不出。
我估计此人的英语水平要比张璐的英语水平高。
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-5 06:45
You are one of them, so are you the rule or the exception ? :laugh:
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-5 06:56
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-5 05:59 编辑
"写的英语如此地道".... what are you doing to me? Are you trying to get me into trouble all over again ?
You and 二握不是好鸟 !! :thumbd:
"比张璐的英语水平高" ? I don't think so, besides she looks much better than me; that's what really counts.
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-5 07:56
同胞们,是不是懂英语香港人就可以在51放P,是不是懂英语白人就可以玩弄中华女儿???? 我看到的现实世界似乎如此。
鸟人利用英语趁势高高在上的指指点点,楼主要求翻译If you have no regrets, you need to get out more.是翻译啊,既是把英语变成汉语,不是叫我们去吹牛。
之后有两个人跟帖,都是把他们的看法说出来,一句说话,没有废话。
鸟人(7楼)带出COME OUT 和LGBT。同胞们,无论你的英语有多好或多坏,这句说话哪里和同性恋拉上那门关系,不要鸟人说英语他就可以在51放屁。
鸟人再在8楼评论之前两人的跟帖,原文是see 7# above,原来世界有7#,不是#7,长知识了,在9楼对Masoncarbo指点,活像个领导,鸟人说英语就指挥你们去翻译,他可笑不过国人可怜。
楼主是第一个反击的,他用字是you are ridiculous,直指鸟人荒谬,楼主要的是Be More Social,也引经据典说他的理由。楼住是个很有礼貌的人,他谢谢每一个跟帖,包括鸟人。
鸟人在12楼大言不惭地问楼主有没有读过他写地帖子,GET OUT和LGBT才是only sensible interpretation,他也会挑战不同意他的人。这种高高在上语气,是因为他说英语,所以楼主要但鸟人不用不用引经据典。最后再来一句,你们不听话,拉倒啦下课了(OK, end of my English lesson for the day) 。鸟人说的,他来51是替你们上英语课。真的他说英语就可以在51放屁,白人说英语也如何,是不是我们要送上女儿。
对不起,真的有人吓的缩龙成寸,楼主就在13楼吓的不知所措。
啊寡在14楼出现,他是51大弟子也见过世面,不是鸟人说同性恋就是同性恋,
7 号在15楼出现,同胞们你们可以又1楼看到15楼,用你们的英语水平自己看这句和同性恋有啥关系,再看看鸟人的嘴脸。我就是那句,是不是说英语就可以放屁,就可以高高在上????
作者: 海外有孤忠 时间: 2010-4-5 08:09
"写的英语如此地道".... what are you doing to me? Are you trying to get me into trouble all over again ?
You and 二握不是好鸟 !!
"比张璐的英语水平高" ? I don't think so, besides she looks much better than me; that's what really counts.
香港来的鸟人 发表于 2010-4-5 07:56 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
你不知好赖呆，我是真心夸你。
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-5 08:30
英语霸权主义
我来加25年,在政府从事法律政策工作,是名副其实的英语文字工作,我从未试过种族歧视和体验英语霸权主义,不过今次在中国圈子里体验到英语霸权厉害,同胞们找不到工作是应该的,谁叫你们英语那么烂。
起初鸟人是跟其他人吵,鸟人高高在上的说他的英语是本地人说的英语,是native是 first language,不像国人再这里学的不三不四,他说的一定是对的。
根据鸟人在不同帖子说的和他的英语表达方式,鸟人的英语不是first language,他英语没有first language那种基础,说白了,鸟人其实是个香港人,在香港接受小学中学基础教育,如果他在香港读大学,应该是80年代以前的大学生,那时候香港大学生英语水平较高。
为什么要扮ABC,离开中国久了就不懂电脑输入法,这个是BS,任何大陆人都知道中国未有电脑以前已经有拼音,中文输入法是基于拼音法,中港台三地就只有香港没有教拼音法,任何大陆人台湾人只要上过两三年学就一定学会拼音法,香港人就不会,加上香港人没有普通话基础,学习拼音法难上加难。不懂拼音法香港人只会写英语(新一代香港人97后已经学拼音法,所以有能力在电脑写中文) 。鸟人扮ABC是要加强他的英语霸权。
当我看见鸟人扮ABC,我是第一个指出他英语错误,是中式英语,鸟人态度是我说的是native first language英语,你们不懂的。怎么啦,说英语我们就不懂,就不可以挑战英语人说的东西,不是英语霸权是什么!!!!如果公司里的加拿大都用这中态度,我们还要活下去吗,还要种族平等吗。
鸟人喜欢谈政治,他说的态度是他懂英语,生活在美国多年(不知道有多久),他带给你们是民主见识,你们要听话啊。
总之世界霸主仍然是英语人,懂英语的在华人圈子里也可以显露那霸权地位,不懂英语的请靠边站。
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-5 08:35
鸟人,又出来上课,也好,中国人英语那么烂,是靠你指点他们啊!!!!你脾气不好,遇上个不听话学生,是不是又要下课啊!!!!!
我以后也要好好学点英语,碰上国人容易打发他们。
作者: weinberger 时间: 2010-4-5 08:52
本帖最后由 weinberger 于 2010-4-5 11:20 编辑
7 hao, 鸟人 already admitted the reason for him to use English here is that he is not familiar with Chinese word processors, not that he wants to teach anybody an English lesson. Choosing to use which language is simply a personal preference. It does not make anybody better or worse than other people. I don't think the reason for you to use Chinese here is to teach anybody a Chinese lesson.
I have exchanged some arguments with 鸟人, and I don't think he uses a condescending tone towards people whose English is not as good as his. Not sure why you have such a feeling.
You like to point out mistakes in our English, yes, our English is not as good as the native people, yes, we speak Chinese-English sometime, but so what? If we choose to avoid using English because we are not so good at it, it would be a huge mistake. On the contrary, we must constantly practise our Engish since this is the only way to improve it. This is the lesson that I learned in a hard way.
英语霸权主义
我来加25年,在政府从事法律政策工作,是名副其实的英语文字工作,我从未试过种族歧视和体验英语霸权主义,不过今次在中国圈子里体验到英语霸权厉害,同胞们找不到工作是应该的,谁叫你们英语那么烂。
起初鸟人是跟其他人吵,鸟人高高在上的说他的英语是本地人说的英语,是native是 first language,不像国人再这里学的不三不四,他说的一定是对的。
7 hao 发表于 2010-4-5 09:30 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-5 09:34
本帖最后由 7 hao 于 2010-4-5 10:37 编辑
7 hao, 鸟人 already admitted the reason for him to use English here is that he is not familiar with Chinese word processors, not that he wants to teach anybody an English lesson. Choosing to use which language is simply a personal preference. It does not make anybody better or worse than other people. I don't think the reason for you to use Chinese here is to teach anybody a Chinese lesson.
I have exchanged some arguments with 鸟人, and I don't think he uses a condescending tone towards people whose English is not as good as his. Not sure why you have such a feeling.
You like to point out mistakes in our English, yes, our English is not as good as the native people, yes, we speak Chinese-English sometime, but so what? If we choose to avoid using English because we are not so good at it, it would be a huge mistake. On the contrary, we must constantly practise our Engish since this is the only way to improve it. This is the lession that I learned in a hard way.
weinberger 发表于 2010-4-5 09:52 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
你都系香港人,我就同你狗啽广东话,你话鸟人吴系高高在上,距D英文好就四围濑屎濑尿甘同人上堂,距大佬老几啊???同人吴对嘴型一个发老脾就OK, end of my English lesson for the day, 甘呢D吴系英语霸权主义又系狗啽你地伤港人玩晒距啦。吴识电脑打字会吴会学啊,入到泥大陆人地头系吴系要拜拜地主,囖住D英文系度认屎认屁,就系英语霸权主义。
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-5 09:44
I was just kidding you, trying to inject a little humor into a tense situation. Don't read too much into my remarks. :O
Peace.
作者: 香港来的鸟人 时间: 2010-4-5 09:52
本帖最后由 香港来的鸟人 于 2010-4-5 08:55 编辑
7 hao, 鸟人 already admitted the reason for him to use English here is that he is not familiar with Chinese word processors, not that he wants to teach anybody an English lesson. Choosing to use which language is simply a personal preference. It does not make anybody better or worse than other people. I don't think the reason for you to use Chinese here is to teach anybody a Chinese lesson.
I have exchanged some arguments with 鸟人, and I don't think he uses a condescending tone towards people whose English is not as good as his. Not sure why you have such a feeling.
You like to point out mistakes in our English, yes, our English is not as good as the native people, yes, we speak Chinese-English sometime, but so what? If we choose to avoid using English because we are not so good at it, it would be a huge mistake. On the contrary, we must constantly practise our Engish since this is the only way to improve it. This is the lession that I learned in a hard way.
weinberger 发表于 2010-4-5 07:52 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
Spot on! You are alright, good buddy; hitting the nasty stubborn nail on its over-inflated egotistic hard head a few times.
知我者, Weinberger也 !
I refuse to sink that low. I shall not respond to all that nonsense. :O
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-5 11:22
大陆人,认命算了,香港人就是可以质问你有没有看他的帖子,也可以上来教你们英语,不高兴可以发脾气。总之,香港人是比大陆人高级一点,还记得90年代香港人大量回国妓女化广东一带吗???香港人从80年代到今天永远骑在大陆人头上。
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-5 11:25
问句51广大网友,是不是用英语的我们便不可以挑战,是不是用英语的便一定对,是不是用英语的香港人就可以上来51指点我们英语和话语权。我们当香港人是中国一部分,他们呢有没有当中国是家,连汉语拼音也不要学,香港人还当中国是家吗????
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-5 11:30
本帖最后由 7 hao 于 2010-4-5 12:31 编辑
QUEBEC为什么要独尊法语,很简单,因为没有法律保护,法语不能够生存,英语人到QUEBEC也懂得尊重当地人,为什么香港人硬要走进汉语网站硬要用英语,连一个小小用汉语”地区”也要英语化吗???我们是不是要学习QUEBEC,英语与….不得入内。
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-5 11:35
香港人有个习惯,就是拜码头,意思是去到一个新地方,首先是见当地人,学习当地文化尊重当地习惯,连英国人当年过年过节也会去黄大仙拜拜去,一表示尊重。现在的香港人来到51不学汉语拼音,而是51网友看他们的英语,学英语去学校,51是个汉语交流网站,懂吗???
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-5 11:39
香港人你们不懂尊重中国人,硬要在这里长篇大论说英语,知道51有些老人不可能看的明白吗???你们写的英语大部分人不会看,在这里自言自语,好玩吗???
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-5 11:42
香港人最令人讨厌是不动尊重别人,上大陆他们说大陆人脏,大陆人穷,大陆人贱,大陆女人都是鸡,我们穷蠢笨是不是犯了你,要你们香港人来教导大陆人???
作者: KK 123 时间: 2010-4-5 12:56
香港人醒醒了，10个香港人，9个是经纪的香港人清醒一下了，香港人除了赌就是嫖
的香港人真的要清醒了，全世界都在学中国话，你们连中国话，中国字都不会，赶
快清醒!!!!
作者: weinberger 时间: 2010-4-5 16:19
First of all, I am not from HongKong, I travelled there 2 years ago, that's about it.
If 51 is based in China, then I fully support your view. But last time I checked, this place is called 51.ca and English is the official language of ca, so I don't understand what's the problem here.
As almost all people visiting 51 live in Canada, we should understand the strength of this country is our diversity. We shall not lock ourselves in our little corner that we feel comfortable, speaking only one language, mingling with people from the same background and same culture. Instead, I believe we should take this opportunity to interact and learn from people who are different from us.
There're some people here who don't speak English very well, true. But that is not enough reason to prohibit the use of English on 51. Chinese people in Canada come from everywhere, mainland, HongKong, Taiwan, SouthEast Asia, and those who were born in North America and all over the world. We bring with us a variety of views, cultures, experiences and languages that we can all learn from each other and benefit ourselves. Just like there's diversity in Canada, there's diversity on 51 that we should all embrace, not discourage.
作者: 三和居士 时间: 2010-4-5 17:58
我来说两句。
我的英语不好，关于英文翻译方面就不发表意见了。我是来劝架的。可以看出来，跟帖的所有大侠都是有学问的人，都是受过教育的文化人，何必吵架呢。是学术问题就好好讨论，不可文人相轻，更不要进行地域性攻击，大家多包容。
我不知道[香港来的鸟人]是否真的是从香港来的，从他的网名及下面那句话看，有可能是对有人把广东话贬称为“鸟话”而表示反感，记得以前在51有关广东话的讨论里，广东人和广东话是曾被攻击过的，伤害肯定是有的。大陆说国语（普通话）的移民初抵加国时，生活中（如到唐人街消费）工作中（如遇到说广东话的工头、老板）可能有过不愉快，其中有的是语言隔阂造成的误会，有的是劳资矛盾。如果把这些转化成地域憎恶，是极端不智的。
还有的人说，台湾人香港控制的本地的话语权，这里面有历史原因，他们来得比大陆移民早，已建立好社会架构；也有经济原因，他们已建立了不少实体（如工厂、公司、报社、电台、电视台），但总的来说，他们对大陆移民并不是排斥的。随着大陆移民人数的增多及经济实力的加大（如王府井商场的开发），我相信国语人的话语权将会大大加强的。
另外，在51写帖，应尽量用中文，我赞成7号的意见。我知道香港人里也有汉字输入的好手，方法也不止汉语拼音一种。好了，希望大家和好，好好玩。
作者: KK 123 时间: 2010-4-5 18:07
我来说两句。
我的英语不好，关于英文翻译方面就不发表意见了。我是来劝架的。可以看出来，跟帖的所有大侠都是有学问的人，都是受过教育的文化人，何必吵架呢。是学术问题就好好讨论，不可文人相轻，更不要进行地域性攻击，大家多包容。
我不知道[香港来的鸟人]是否真的是从香港来的，从他的网名及下面那句话看，有可能是对有人把广东话贬称为“鸟话”而表示反感，记得以前在51有关广东话的讨论里，广东人和广东话是曾被攻击过的，伤害肯定是有的。大陆说国语（普通话）的移民初抵加国时，生活中（如到唐人街消费）工作中（如遇到说广东话的工头、老板）可能有过不愉快，其中有的是语言隔阂造成的误会，有的是劳资矛盾。如果把这些转化成地域憎恶，是极端不智的。
还有的人说，台湾人香港控制的本地的话语权，这里面有历史原因，他们来得比大陆移民早，已建立好社会架构；也有经济原因，他们已建立了不少实体（如工厂、公司、报社、电台、电视台），但总的来说，他们对大陆移民并不是排斥的。随着大陆移民人数的增多及经济实力的加大（如王府井商场的开发），我相信国语人的话语权将会大大加强的。
另外，在51写帖，应尽量用中文，我赞成7号的意见。我知道香港人里也有汉字输入的好手，方法也不止汉语拼音一种。好了，希望大家和好，好好玩。
三和居士 发表于 2010-4-5 18:58 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
这个比较客观好！！！
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-5 22:46
不知会看到这样的场面, 也不知道该说什么才对. 我只能说世上没有完美的人和事, 人各有所长和其短. 人都难免犯错误, 要宽容他人, 7好是一个见义勇为, 爱打抱不平的热血有为的网友. 更不要拿他人的过错惩处自己. 多点幽默未尝不是好是.
香港来的鸟人网友 从名字看就有其特别之处. 三人行必有我师,何况对我来说他确是高手, 他的英语历史背景远好过我. 他的第一贴,无论他是何用意,我从中学到了一点新的内容. 也可能是他个人的长期习惯性说话方式吧. 第二贴, 无论错与对,还是有 诚意的.
和者盖寡网友的处事方法确实值得学习. 我最欣赏的翻译是Masonscarbo网友的
既然无怨无悔，就放手去搏吧确
或:
往事懊悔与否,都要放手去搏.
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-5 23:19
本帖最后由 一世人生 于 2010-4-6 00:33 编辑
回复 一世人生
This is unsolicited, but your signature tagline is a little hard to understand.
You wrote "I know what I am and how did people feel me. this is enough for me."
I can guess what you are trying to convey but it is not quite idiomatic.
Why don't you ask everyone to reword it a little for you to make it easier for people to understand. I could be a good learning experience.
香港来的鸟人 发表于 2010-4-4 21:46 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
我的意思是:要提醒自己, 要真正的知道自己,发挥长处,改正不足.不要的太在乎他人的赞美和攻击. 他人的尊敬是靠赢得的,不是要求来的.
作者: 孙参001 时间: 2010-4-5 23:21
Masonscarbo,i love you
作者: 人生犹如随想曲 时间: 2010-4-5 23:30
thank you.
I like it and take it .
作者: 刀近平 时间: 2010-4-6 00:25
短短一个英文句子竟能引出那么多的讨论与释义，啧啧啧，英文真的博大精深
作者: 7 hao 时间: 2010-4-6 09:52
我啥对鸟人反感,就是起初我改正他的英语语法,他回复那句大意是”这是本地人说话方式,是你们不懂,是你们不对,所以你们没有话语权” 。鸟人最新写给我那帖又是这样,美国年青人已经不太用allow这个字。
这种逻辑在哲学上叫appeal to authority,”大人/权威说话小孩要听”,鸟人就是权威,美国人就是权威,中国人读的书是白读的,中国人就要听话。先说英语五花八门,实在没有什么叫正统英语,美国那么大,New England, Mid West, 南部和加州已经说不同英语,Orange County还有Black English,情形跟香港和广州差不多,同样是粤语,但是不太一样,是香港话对还是广州话对,是嘛嘛地还是一般???
加上不同教养不同年纪的人会用不同语法,我们书本上学的My Dear,语法没错,不过现在差不多是上了年纪的用,或者在一些非常正式场合/关系用。总之我们要学的是在不同情形用不同语言,而不是硬说美国年轻人说的就是对,我们中国人文化能力认同跑到那里去???
鸟人那句get out come out很明显是错,鸟人辩护的逻辑是这样,他听过他见过,是本地人说的,所以我们就要听话,你们呢,有没有看过他写的东西,他写的就是权威,你们就要听。我们想见的是内容,不是鸟人说他见过就是真理。
本地人说的就是对,便是真理。如果公司有人敢对我说这种歪理我会跟他没完没了,因为这种歪理就是种族歧视。当一个说英语的香港人向我们扣屎盘,是不是我们国人就要站在那里默默忍受呢。
我有能力用广东话写帖,大家都应该知道我是广东人,我站出来是看不过鸟人的英语霸权主义态度。香港人的拜码头习惯,鸟人完全不尊重,入境问禁,鸟人不尊重我们,我也不用跟他客气。
总之,就是英语霸权主义和种族歧视,我不是要上纲上线,加拿大政府尽力保护少数人,我们遇上不平等事情也要站出来,正所谓天助自助。
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