NDP&Liveral 这次的行为，可以称为无赖行为。在国家困难之际，不是去帮一把，还去捣乱。
Big Three and their Canada Portion三，Hole without bottom. 给了他300亿，花完可能会再要3000亿，如不给，300亿就打水漂。NDP & LIBERAL 并不关心这个。作者: iku 时间: 2008-12-7 12:31 标题: 回复：回复：NDP这个败家子永远都不会懂经济 NDP一手支持工会的贪得无厌。如果由NDP加入联合政府，加拿大实现社会主义乌托邦就指日可待了。
三大车厂都是亏损企业，对社会贡献是负值。“三大车厂垮了，安省经济就完了”的说法站得住脚吗？作者: suckitupbuttcup 时间: 2008-12-7 17:36
the high end cars from big three are not bad,
with big three down, it will soon be picked up by competitor, but how soon is soon enough for auto parts sector
anyway, their biz decision made them face the music now..作者: TianSheng 时间: 2008-12-7 17:37
政府应该救助汽车工业度过目前的金融风暴, 可是, 汽车工业更应该自救, 现在是他们自我价值评估和调整的时候了. 很难想象, 拥有这样一个妄自尊大工会组织的产业能度过今天的风暴,是否能渡过明天的竞争.
另外,政府用纳税人的钱去救助这些毫无竞争能力的企业. 对我们这些纳税人是否公平? 企业的管理不善所造成的恶果是否应该由纳税人去卖单. 政府去救助汽车工业, 是否也应该去救助其它在困境中挣扎的中小企业,否则,社会的公平何在?
令人不解的是，还有人支持代表工会势力的NDP联合执政。作者: suckitupbuttcup 时间: 2008-12-7 17:55
NDP somekindof communist and idiot作者: suckitupbuttcup 时间: 2008-12-7 17:56
but we need NDP in the common, but in the power作者: suckitupbuttcup 时间: 2008-12-7 17:56
but we need NDP in the common, but in the power作者: macrophage 时间: 2008-12-7 18:21
but we need NDP in the common, but in the power
What do you mean?
I can not understand what you said.作者: macrophage 时间: 2008-12-7 18:24 标题: 回复：回复：回复：汽车工人工会 令人不解的是，还有人支持代表工会势力的NDP联合执政。
这个论坛里极少见到有公开支持NDP的。你如果支持NDP就直说，不要拐弯抹角。我还想跟NDP的支持者交流交流。作者: zionu 时间: 2008-12-7 19:36 标题: 在这里大骂ndp的都是酸葡萄心理 lOSER 一个！作者: suckitupbuttcup 时间: 2008-12-7 19:40
What do you mean?
I can not understand what you said.
sorry, typo,
should be "but not in power"作者: suckitupbuttcup 时间: 2008-12-7 19:41 标题: 回复：在这里大骂ndp的都是酸葡萄心理 lOSER 一个！
listen, ndp is infamous for being financial irresponsible, got it?作者: TianSheng 时间: 2008-12-7 19:56 标题: 回复：在这里大骂ndp的都是酸葡萄心理 lOSER 一个！
one fact you don't know, most auto makers share the similar parts..so the key point is big three were defeated by themselves, by those biz decisions and their management作者: TianSheng 时间: 2008-12-7 21:55 标题: 回复：回复：回复：汽车工人工会 OK。
那你告诉我，既然NDP只代表极少数工会贵族利益，那么为什么它还有这么多的支持者？
如果它只代表极少数工会贵族利益，它应该根本连联合执政的机会都没有。
开空头支票。
楼上的帖子给出了答案 -- 大选的时候，帮NDP串门拉票的是我们同胞，对我说，投NDP吧，NDP对我们穷人好。作者: 润土II代 时间: 2008-12-7 21:55 标题: 回复：回复：回复：NDP这个败家子永远都不会懂经济 one fact you don't know, most auto makers share the similar parts..so the key point is big three were defeated by themselves, by those biz decisions and their management
due to their assembly quality, parts quality are similar, but i am not saying 100% identical
FYI, parts are localized in north america, within NAFTA, as a whole作者: 山顶洞人 时间: 2008-12-7 22:31 标题: 回复：回复：回复：回复：汽车工人工会 我的原话是“令人不解的是，还有人支持代表工会势力的NDP联合执政。”
最起码，汽车工人不是人？他们没有他们的政治权利？作者: joeh 时间: 2008-12-7 22:37
前几天Toronto Star上有一篇读者对NDP林顿(Jack Layton)的评论,结尾说的很精彩:Jack is all about Jack,"Working families" is just a convenient phrase for this man.作者: macrophage 时间: 2008-12-7 22:40 标题: 回复：回复：回复：回复：汽车工人工会 开空头支票。
HARPER的表现已经很不错，很到位了 :p作者: Dannyh 时间: 2008-12-8 07:46
this is canada,we all greedy on money,from public servants to general labours. what we can do if we want to live together.
you have not choice as I.
I am a member of union. what I want to say? if all canadians work as our country people(not managing as our country) we will all happier than today. the three automaker should go hell for their own fault.
we talk together one day, my people told me a story about ford, one guy who are worker in ford just put three screws on the panel that should put four on. I know GMC should go to hell as Ford from that day when I went to look the inner of a GMC luxry SUV.
Also I buy a USA car.作者: 加国的云 时间: 2008-12-8 09:39
Then, are you or is someone you know affected by the auto industry decline right now?
Canada produced 2.6 million vehicles last year. The country's auto industry directly employs about 135,000 people, according to the Canadian Auto Workers union. Hundreds of thousands more people across the country have auto sector spinoff jobs.
But that number is in decline as the industry struggles with high gas prices, an uncertain U.S. economy and unstable stock markets. Ontario, the centre of Canada's auto industry, has been especially hard hit by years of industry cutbacks and layoffs.作者: 加国的云 时间: 2008-12-8 09:45 标题: A timeline of auto sector layoffs-2008 How many people who were laid off in Ontario?
2008
Feb. 27. BMW announces plans to cut 5,600 jobs by the end of 2008. Most of the job cuts are in Germany.
Within the European Union, an estimated 2.3 million people are directly employed by the auto industry.
April 28: General Motors to cut 3,500 jobs by scaling back shifts at four North American assembly plants. As many as 970 people in Oshawa, Ont., are affected. Full story.
May 12: General Motors says it will close a Windsor, Ont., transmission plant by 2010. As many as 1,400 people to lose their jobs. Full story.
June 3: General Motors assembly plant in Oshawa announces as many as 2,600 people could be laid off when a pickup truck plant closes in 2009. Full story.
June: Volvo cuts 2,000 jobs worldwide.
June 18: Magna auto parts plant in St. Thomas, Ont., cuts 400 jobs. The company makes frames for GM trucks. Full story.
June 19: Formet automotive parts plant in St. Thomas, Ont., announces 400 people to be laid off.
June 27: Mitsubishi announces plans to cut 105 workers and 10 per cent of its output in the U.S.
July 8: Fiat, Italy's largest automaker, announces plans to scale back shifts at six of its Italian assembly plants.
July 15: GM announces plans to cut its white-collar workforce, spending on marketing and more production cutbacks, saving $15 billion US by the end of 2009.
Six companies build vehicles in Canada:
* GM
* Ford
* Chrysler
* Toyota
* Suzuki
* Honda
July: Sterling Truck plant in St. Thomas, Ont., cuts 720 jobs.
Aug. 6: Toyota lays off 800 workers at Japanese production plant. Blames sinking North American sales.
Aug. 28: Auto parts plant Linamar Corp. of Guelph, Ont., announces it will cut as many as 500 people from its 12,000-strong workforce. Full story.
Aug. 29: Toyota announces temporary production cuts to plants in Britain and Turkey.
Sept. 6: Toyota delays full production at SUV assembly plant in Woodstock, Ont.
Sept. 9: French automaker Renault to cut 6,000 European jobs by 2009.
September: U.S. auto sales crash, plunging 27 per cent from the same month a year earlier.
Oct. 8: Volvo cuts 4,000 jobs worldwide.
Oct. 13: Nissan announces it will cut 1,680 jobs at an assembly plant in Barcelona, Spain; published reports say Volkswagen-owned Spanish carmaker Seat to lay off 4,700 autoworkers and tire-maker Bridgestone to cut 2,800 jobs from two Spanish plants.
Japan produced 11.6 million vehicles in 2007, while the U.S. produced 10.8 million.
Oct. 14: Daimler Trucks to lay off 2,300 employees in Ontario and Portland, Ore.; Ontario's Sterling Truck announces it will shut down in less than one year, throwing 1,300 people out of work.
Oct. 16: General Motors says it will lay off 1,600 employees at three assembly plants in Michigan and Delaware.
Oct. 20: 100 employees laid off from Ford assembly plant in Oakville, Ont.
Oct. 21: Nissan announces production cuts in U.S., Japan and Spain.
Oct. 23: Volvo to cut 850 jobs at its construction equipment unit in Europe. The announcement follows an earlier cut of 1,400 workers at truck plants in Belgium and Sweden.
Oct. 23: Chrysler to cut 1,825 factory jobs in the U.S.; GM announces it will cut 5,000 jobs, cuts benefits.
Oct. 24: Chrysler announces it will cut 25 per cent of its salaried workforce.
Nov. 7: Ford to cut 10 per cent of its North American salaried workforce costs by the end of January. The cuts could mean the elimination of roughly 2,260 white-collar jobs. Full Story.
Nov. 7: General Motors says it will temporarily lay off about 3,600 workers, including 500 at its plant in Oshawa, Ont., as it slows vehicle production. Full Story.
Nov. 10: General Motors cutting another 1,900 workers at parts stamping, engine and transmission factories in North America. Full Story.
作者: Dannyh 时间: 2008-12-8 10:55
I will buy another USA car if all cars that made in USA and Canada are made by the peoples with very high grade of conscience. but it is negative answer.
whose fault is this?
we know GMC,Ford and Chrysler bear more than Korea and Japanese. we just know the workers in Ford,GMC and Chrysler get more than Honda,Toyota and Nissen. that is true,because Union to pretect the union member. I want all member of working force have been protect by government but government do want to. we all know this time of recession have be formed by "so call" geniuses who are get more money than all workers worked in auto maker. who have been standing up to say laid down their salary? who are making wealth to the country? all labors that included auto workers.
if we can have high quality of car even more higher that imported car and other brandnames's car. we still have the problem of economic because of the financial ceo.作者: weichen2005 时间: 2008-12-8 11:33 标题: 回复：我最近认为加拿大的情况是这样的 NDP作为反对党有一定的作用，这次大选我就选了NDP，但上台执政就不太合适，其经济政策理念是灾难性的。
自由党搞经济历史上最在行，但国民现在对他的信任度不高，其政策的执行难度很大，难以在当今如此复杂的经济状态之下让加拿大获取最大的利益。
保守党代表了大资本家经济，当前取得了国民的相对信任，名至所归，当前保守党最重要的就是以不变应万变，千万不可提出所谓进取的计划，比如给三大烂输血之类的，主要观察美国的动向，争取投入最少，获得最大的收益。当然当前还要拿一些精力与三个代表作坚决的斗争，决不能让他们的诡计得逞。
其实保守党政府无为而政不是什么坏事，加拿大的经济状况最好，银行业稳健，汽车业还有日本车撑着，一旦扩张完全有可能吸收三大烂留下的烂摊子，没必要挤在美国前面随意撒钱。
"The NDP can promise you the moon. But they are trying to buy your vote with Monopoly money. They want to pay for all their promises by increasing the burden on our economy," the Liberal leader declared, prompting cheers.
"Jack Layton's old-fashioned socialist mentality is as backward as Stephen Harper's conservative ideology."
Dion called the NDP platform "a job killer," because the revenues are based on cancellation of corporate tax cuts.作者: 无梦 时间: 2008-12-8 12:51 标题: 回复：美国三大早已走入穷途末路 加拿大政府能有多大的作用,不管投多少钱进去都是有去无回.该垮的不如让它早垮.
自由党,新民党都是把人民的税钱不当回事的, 拿公家的钱买自己的人情.
这个作者的文章都是文理不通, 一味无缘由地反保守党,看来只是他和51 有什么特殊关系.
