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我就是姜先生，没那么辛酸，不过在看到有些同胞在管事的按一下叉车喇叭就飞快的跑过去听候使唤，那才是真正的辛酸。作者: david1 时间: 2007-10-16 22:21
i support u,guy, u r the real chinese-----sooner or later,u will get the respect from SEARS as well as from chinese ( i respect u already)作者: 四海 时间: 2007-10-16 22:24 标题: 回复：回复：送大家一首歌吧，鼓鼓劲。 最初由[芨芨草]发布 回复：送大家一首歌吧，鼓鼓劲。
谢谢你的鼓劲，我试着再往前迈一步，找个议员反映一下，我住在don mills and finch，不知道找那个议员，请熟悉这方面的事情的指教一下，在这里先谢谢！
结果还是不错的。作者: 哇咧 时间: 2007-10-17 08:00 标题: 用不着去瞎猜别人的想法，有可能是老婆撺掇的 作者: Sedona 时间: 2007-10-17 08:36
Relax and read what they said.
Telling them the mistakes they have made, though bitter, is constructive criticism good for them.
They really have made some mistakes. The whole incident has nothing to do with them being Chinese or new immigrants.
Unless they change their work attitude, they will have the same trouble every where. In fact, one of them was terminated by another employer because of similar trouble with his Vietnamese supervisor.作者: 青山下 时间: 2007-10-17 08:53 标题: 回复：芸芸众生，我非常看重你说的机会！！！请告诉我你的这个经历！！！ 最初由[归途如虹]发布 芸芸众生，我非常看重你说的机会！！！请告诉我你的这个经历！！！
你真相信她说的话 ?作者: 青山下 时间: 2007-10-17 09:02 最初由[Sedona]发布
Relax and read what they said.
Telling them the mistakes they have made, though bitter, is constructive criticism good for them.
They really have made some mistakes. The whole incident has nothing to do with them being Chinese or new immigrants.
Unless they change their work attitude, they will have the same trouble every where. In fact, one of them was terminated by another employer because of similar trouble with his Vietnamese supervisor.
Evidence - something is not right with the Chinese culture.作者: 梦工作室 时间: 2007-10-17 09:11 标题: 虽然我不赞成抗议，但我愿意免费帮老张、老姜设计制作专业一点的牌子，避免有人在 我们的质量上说3道4。请发悄悄话告诉我你的联系办法。
中国人里很有一部分中山狼似的人物，得志便猖狂，看不起没出头的底层弟兄，整天嘲笑别人身上的所谓缺陷，笑人齿缺的同时竟对自己的狗窦大开毫无意识！作者: 被封了 时间: 2007-10-17 09:30 最初由[Sedona]发布
Relax and read what they said.
Telling them the mistakes they have made, though bitter, is constructive criticism good for them.
They really have made some mistakes. The whole incident has nothing to do with them being Chinese or new immigrants.
Unless they change their work attitude, they will have the same trouble every where. In fact, one of them was terminated by another employer because of similar trouble with his Vietnamese supervisor.
Sedona,
I believe these two men were treated unfairly by the supervisor. The supervisor let them do more than others did. In your opinion, what is the best way to ask for a fair answer?
In their protest, the words “Canada is a civilization country?", "need a job to live” and "have right to work" are irrelevant, making no sense. The words "abusively treated at work" are the right issue for the protest. I think these two men should only focus on this matter- unfair treatment at work.
In workplace, for safety reason, you can say "no" to supervisor under law. Otherwise, if you said no, you could get trouble and the chance to get a justice is unlikely.作者: ffgg123 时间: 2007-10-17 09:35
姜先生，他自己承认没有把“阿差管工放在眼里。”
I believe these two men were treated unfairly by the supervisor. The supervisor let them do more than others did. In your opinion, what is the best way to ask for a fair answer?
In their protest, the words “Canada is a civilization country?", "need a job to live” and "have right to work" are irrelevant, making no sense. The words "abusively treated at work" are the right issue for the protest. I think these two men should only focus on this matter- unfair treatment at work.
In workplace, for safety reason, you can say "no" to supervisor under law. Otherwise, if you said no, you could get trouble and the chance to get a justice is unlikely.
Whether they were treated unfairly is hard to say. They have worked there for like 3 days only. In law, given such a short period of time, they don't have a case to prove unfair treatment or anything.
I agree civilization, rights to work, Chinese and new immigrants are all irrelevant. I also agree except safety reasons, an employee cannot say no to instructions from a superior.
Regarding abusive treatment, that's even harder to prove. Such an allegation will become a lawsuit.
My advice is to argue the termination is departure from the normal termination process, which involves either a verbal or a written warning. On the spot termination occurs when the staff's behaviour will become "toxic" to the workplace. Unfortunately, these guys had a verbal altercation with their supervisor, which is toxic to the workplace.
In my humble opinion, they don't have a case.作者: 被封了 时间: 2007-10-17 09:42
Don't work too hard. If you work too hard, why not the supervisor give you more to do. If you work harder than others, the supervisor would think you like to do more.
The courage of these two men are impressive, for this reason I respect them. But, the cold water from a few 51ers may be more valuable for their futuer live in Canada.作者: Sedona 时间: 2007-10-17 09:51 最初由[被封了]发布
Don't work too hard. If you work too hard, why not the supervisor give you more to do. If you work harder than others, the supervisor would think you like to do more.
This is a catch 22. If you work hard, you will become permanent or be rewarded with a promotion. If you take a easier life, you will be there with the same job like forever. Don't complain when somebody else gets the promotion.作者: 被封了 时间: 2007-10-17 09:59 最初由[Sedona]发布
This is a catch 22. If you work hard, you will become permanent or be rewarded with a promotion. If you take a easier life, you will be there with the same job like forever. Don't complain when somebody else gets the promotion.
I think you are right. What I mean is, don’t work too hard in general labor workplace. However, I knew a Chinese man he worked in a car part company. He worked so hard that he sweated a lot every day, leaving sweat marks on his back. He didn’t care. At the end, his salary went up.作者: 新租 时间: 2007-10-17 10:18 标题: 在加拿大，任何时候都不可以做奴才 我刚来的第一年在工厂打工，发现我自己讲的英语他们听不懂，当然他们讲的英语我也听不懂。
这样老外就想欺负我，干活不交待清楚，有一次我又犯了一个错误，一个白人老头居然质问我会不会说英语，让我马上滚，我马上滚去找来经理，投诉此人，以后就老实了，交待工作至少要说三次。
一开始老外欺负我新来的，不告诉我操作方法，喜欢看我出错他们到处张扬，其实就凭他们的教育水平，脑子一团水，跟垃圾没区别，果然不到半年，凭着俺坚实的工科根底，很快搞通了大部分关节，这下轮到他们傻了，等他们需要帮忙的时候，乖乖地叫师傅。
有时候工作忙，休息的时候需要继续干，然后等别人休息或吃完饭接你，有一段时间他们老叫我吃饭时候先干活，我等他们一起吃饭的时候，大声警告我准备投诉了，以后就老实了。
我干了半年多了，才发现我是个临时工，从代理那里拿钱，我立即找到经理问这是怎么回事，经理说我们厂就是这样了，60%是代理工，很多人都干了五、六年了也没有转正。我问他最短多长时间，他又讲不出来，我只好下最后通牒了，再不转正立即走人，经理乖乖地告诉我打报告申请很麻烦，由于是跨国公司，人力资源在美国。申请正式职工要三级签名之类的，两个月后还是乖乖给我转成了正式职工，这样我在加拿大就把我的牙病给治好了。
我跟老外的关系后来就越来越好了，不到一年我就混成了老油条，有时下班我提前两个小时回家他们还帮忙打卡，迟到十来分钟也不会扣我工钱。
其实从人性的角度来说，中国跟加拿大基本没有区别。
政府的区别很大，打倒中国共产党！作者: ffgg123 时间: 2007-10-17 10:25 标题: 回复：在加拿大，任何时候都不可以做奴才 最初由[新租]发布 在加拿大，任何时候都不可以做奴才
另外这件事情与共产党有什么关系?
我相信你的同伙们是坚决反对你这种抗上做乱的造反精神的.
因为在他们眼里,洋人或者假洋人是不可顶撞的,对管工是要无条件服从的,否则不但立即请你滚蛋还要给你留下黑名单黑记录.让你永远找不到工作.他们就是这样威胁你这样的抗命份子的呀.作者: 天然彩石碧玉 时间: 2007-10-17 10:29 最初由[Sedona]发布
Relax and read what they said.
Telling them the mistakes they have made, though bitter, is constructive criticism good for them.
They really have made some mistakes. The whole incident has nothing to do with them being Chinese or new immigrants.
Unless they change their work attitude, they will have the same trouble every where. In fact, one of them was terminated by another employer because of similar trouble with his Vietnamese supervisor.
我就是姜先生，我的真实姓名是姜忠，来自新疆乌鲁木齐，认识我的人都可以在此发表对我的看法。事实是在阿差管工大声恐吓我说要么干活要么回家后，我才不把他放在眼里。和我一起工作的来自天津的一个工友可以作证，当时他在场。还有一个牙买加的黑人与我们一起干活，当他看到管工多次不停的叫我去积压的工线去救急的时候后，与我说take time to go, 你要说i will. 那边always talking 。看看吧！这就是旁观者的感受，一个正常的人（牙买加黑人）的感受，还能让我说什么呢？
我就是姜先生，我的真实姓名是姜忠，来自新疆乌鲁木齐，认识我的人都可以在此发表对我的看法。事实是在阿差管工大声恐吓我说要么干活要么回家后，我才不把他放在眼里。和我一起工作的来自天津的一个工友可以作证，当时他在场。还有一个牙买加的黑人与我们一起干活，当他看到管工多次不停的叫我去积压的工线去救急的时候后，与我说take time to go, 你要说i will. 那边always talking 。看看吧！这就是旁观者的感受，一个正常的人（牙买加黑人）的感受，还能让我说什么呢？
我就是姜先生，我的真实姓名是姜忠，来自新疆乌鲁木齐，认识我的人都可以在此发表对我的看法。事实是在阿差管工大声恐吓我说要么干活要么回家后，我才不把他放在眼里。和我一起工作的来自天津的一个工友可以作证，当时他在场。还有一个牙买加的黑人与我们一起干活，当他看到管工多次不停的叫我去积压的工线去救急的时候后，与我说take time to go, 你要说i will. 那边always talking 。看看吧！这就是旁观者的感受，一个正常的人（牙买加黑人）的感受，还能让我说什么呢？
我就是姜先生，我的真实姓名是姜忠，来自新疆乌鲁木齐，认识我的人都可以在此发表对我的看法。事实是在阿差管工大声恐吓我说要么干活要么回家后，我才不把他放在眼里。和我一起工作的来自天津的一个工友可以作证，当时他在场。还有一个牙买加的黑人与我们一起干活，当他看到管工多次不停的叫我去积压的工线去救急的时候后，与我说take time to go, 你要说i will. 那边always talking 。看看吧！这就是旁观者的感受，一个正常的人（牙买加黑人）的感受，还能让我说什么呢？
You don't know how to resolve a conflict with others.
Anyone can try to resolve any conflict with other people in deferent way, right? So, maybe you can do it decently, of course you are right, but, other people prefer the other way, we are supposed to understand.作者: 四海 时间: 2007-10-17 11:27 标题: 回复：不怕挨砖，说说大陆的垃圾技术移民 最初由[新租]发布 不怕挨砖，说说大陆的垃圾技术移民
I believe these two men were treated unfairly by the supervisor. The supervisor let them do more than others did. In your opinion, what is the best way to ask for a fair answer?
In their protest, the words “Canada is a civilization country?", "need a job to live” and "have right to work" are irrelevant, making no sense. The words "abusively treated at work" are the right issue for the protest. I think these two men should only focus on this matter- unfair treatment at work.
In workplace, for safety reason, you can say "no" to supervisor under law. Otherwise, if you said no, you could get trouble and the chance to get a justice is unlikely.作者: 时传祥 时间: 2007-10-17 11:42 标题: 回复：不怕挨砖，说说大陆的垃圾技术移民 最初由[新租]发布 不怕挨砖，说说大陆的垃圾技术移民
可俺前后也介绍了几个人进公司, 结果是老板满意的不安心, 安心工作的老板又不喜欢, 最后俺学乖了, 再不介绍朋友进来...... 作者: 被封了 时间: 2007-10-17 11:45
Mr. Jiang, if you have friends in Canada who have lived here for many years and have had Canadian experience in workplace, you can ask them for advice as how to handle the problem when supervisor treat you unfairly. You said you smear some 51ers who damp cold water on you. Before you smear us, ask advice from your closed friends. I believe some of your friends, though not all, would hold the same option as those 51ers who pour cold water on you.
I am trying to give you a responsible advice. You can go ahead to smear me if this doesn't fit your emotion.作者: 四海 时间: 2007-10-17 11:46 标题: 天下乌鸦一般黑,认为加拿大是美好一片的是没长大的人. 作者: Wanjune 时间: 2007-10-17 11:47 标题: 保重。要斗争 很支持你们。姜先生。 是啊。我们要活命，但人格不能丢。越南人。印巴人都欺负中国人。 我们有语言的困难，但是人是不能受气的。和你们一样，我看不惯国人受欺负和不自尊，为了生活嘛。但是无论什么条件下都要自尊，自重。那样别人就得尊重你。废话少说了。
我有同样的经历。是越南人。后来我电话安省人权委员会(ontario human rights commision)告了工厂.让后他们出面调节，后来赔了我1000CAD。 还问我是否要和回工作。我恨死那个地方了，是我自己不原受气了，辞职了。这样也可以告他们。政府很不欢迎种族歧视，它要作出姿态就得帮助打工者。如果我当时有证据和正人，那赔偿就不视一两千的问题了。 就好有工会，要想 (grieve) 到工会，有了记录就好说了。如果工头继续做。在告他。同时到安省告他。记住要稳住脾气。耐住性子。用中国的计魔和他们斗。我第二次有了经验。可也没等到最后就离开了加拿大这个鬼地方。我的年薪还是不少的，工头是巴基人，和他惹不起那个气。骂了他告了他就走了。弟兄们要在那里生活很久，一定要起来斗争。政府是喜欢打工的，不喜欢拿救济的。 有法律，有政府，怕什么。中国人死斗不怕，还怕什么。。。。可现在是有些怕死了。。。还不到那个地步。没饭吃。就到政府去要，不要苦自己。我们是受过教育的人，没有工作不是我们的错。。。。谢谢。作者: 小心为上 时间: 2007-10-17 11:48 标题: 回复：天下乌鸦一般黑,认为加拿大是美好一片的是没长大的人. 最初由[四海]发布 天下乌鸦一般黑,认为加拿大是美好一片的是没长大的人.
然后高呼---中国人从此站起来了!作者: ---- 时间: 2007-10-17 11:54
生猛汉子，民工乱（谈）弹。作者: 夜晚 时间: 2007-10-17 11:54 最初由[芨芨草]发布
我就是姜先生，没那么辛酸，不过在看到有些同胞在管事的按一下叉车喇叭就飞快的跑过去听候使唤，那才是真正的辛酸。
人不能像哈巴狗一样活着，即使为了饭碗！
希望更多的人把腰杆挺直。
但是你们干活速度太快是你们的错，你们有力量但也要照顾点别人，不能对别人饭碗造成威胁。
在这工作不像中国，不可以很快的干完然后休息。你要一直在干，所以要慢点。
到一个新的岗位先观察别人咋干的，然后随着他们，这叫team精神，这里最看重这个了。
你们没有team精神，这就是挨累不讨好的原因，结果大家都不喜欢你们，吸取教训吧！
得罪了！作者: 被封了 时间: 2007-10-17 12:04
In Chinese we have a saing that means: Effective medicine is bitter but good for cure, honest advice is harsh but good for guide.作者: 小心为上 时间: 2007-10-17 12:07 最初由[芨芨草]发布
说心里话，内地的一些奴才让我鄙视
以你的性格, 只适合独立工作. 如果自己开不了生意, 可以试试DELIVERY DRIVER. (管工依旧可能是"阿差", "越南人","黑人","汉奸"......., 至少干活的时候不会在旁边 )作者: 小心为上 时间: 2007-10-17 12:09 最初由[被封了]发布
In Chinese we have a saing that means: Effective medicine is bitter but good for cure, honest advice is harsh but good for guide.
