标题: 论坛文摘：环球邮报2篇报道引发的思考 [打印本页] 作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-3 20:07 标题: [原创]《环球邮报》七月三日两篇报道所引发的思考 早上吃早餐的时候，无意中看到《环球邮报》头版的报道 -- The face of Chinese cost cutting ，讲的是国内一个孩子因为着凉（caught a cold, an ordinary cold），到医院就医被假冒抗生素致死的事情。看后很是伤心，尤其是看到那个天真烂漫的面孔时，很难抑制自己的情绪。联想到近些年来的相类似的报道，我很是为在国内的父母担心，尽管已经再三提醒过他们，我还是觉得应该晚上再给二老打个电话，提个醒。
首先，两篇报道完全没有在开始的时候明确的给出时间，让人觉得这就是刚刚发生的事情，而不会想到这些是一年以前被广泛报道过的“旧闻”。其次，《环球邮报》完全忽视事件的全部真相，只是选取对自己观点有用的信息，甚至还有意无意的篡改关键的数字（报道法院判决不到5万RMB，而实际上是判了50万RMB，而且饭店也表示愿意赔偿）。尤其关于“欣弗”事件，国内曾经全面的报道过，《环球邮报》不会不知道“欣弗”事件肇事企业前总经理自杀身亡的消息（http://news.bbc.co.uk/chinese/si ... 6116900/6116924.stm），不会不知道原国家药监局局长不久前被判了死刑，也不会不知道媒体和政府对召回药品的积极努力，一句Even after the first death, China's central government took no action. It waited eight days before announcing a recall of the drug 就轻松代过了。
首先，两篇报道完全没有在开始的时候明确的给出时间，让人觉得这就是刚刚发生的事情，而不会想到这些是一年以前被广泛报道过的“旧闻”。其次，《环球邮报》完全忽视事件的全部真相，只是选取对自己观点有用的信息，甚至还有意无意的篡改关键的数字（报道法院判决不到5万RMB，而实际上是判了50万RMB，而且饭店也表示愿意赔偿）。尤其关于“欣弗”事件，国内曾经全面的报道过，《环球邮报》不会不知道“欣弗”事件肇事企业前总经理自杀身亡的消息（http://news.bbc.co.uk/chinese/si ... 6116900/6116924.stm），不会不知道原国家药监局局长不久前被判了死刑，也不会不知道媒体和政府对召回药品的积极努力，一句Even after the first death, China's central government took no action. It waited eight days before announcing a recall of the drug 就轻松代过了。
早上吃早餐的时候，无意中看到《环球邮报》头版的报道 -- The face of Chinese cost cutting ，讲的是国内一个孩子因为着凉（caught a cold, an ordinary cold），到医院就医被假冒抗生素致死的事情。看后很是伤心，尤其是看到那个天真烂漫的面孔时，很难抑制自己的情绪。联想到近些年来的相类似的报道，我很是为在国内的父母担心，尽管已经再三提醒过他们，我还是觉得应该晚上再给二老打个电话，提个醒。
首先，两篇报道完全没有在开始的时候明确的给出时间，让人觉得这就是刚刚发生的事情，而不会想到这些是一年以前被广泛报道过的“旧闻”。其次，《环球邮报》完全忽视事件的全部真相，只是选取对自己观点有用的信息，甚至还有意无意的篡改关键的数字（报道法院判决不到5万RMB，而实际上是判了50万RMB，而且饭店也表示愿意赔偿）。尤其关于“欣弗”事件，国内曾经全面的报道过，《环球邮报》不会不知道“欣弗”事件肇事企业前总经理自杀身亡的消息（http://news.bbc.co.uk/chinese/si ... 6116900/6116924.stm），不会不知道原国家药监局局长不久前被判了死刑，也不会不知道媒体和政府对召回药品的积极努力，一句Even after the first death, China's central government took no action. It waited eight days before announcing a recall of the drug 就轻松代过了。
片面报道哪里都存在，区别在于政府在其中起了多大作用。作者: Sedona 时间: 2007-7-4 08:31
This is not the first time.
Globe and Mail is a right-winged medium with a masked heritage position.
Richmond Review is a local newspaper, so it is a surprise the editor will allow such a letter of subtle attack against the Chinese community.
NAP has not given a response, after 2 weeks. A well established political party or public organization will talk to the editor first and then write a letter to the editor for clarification or a balanced perspective.作者: wangwo 时间: 2007-7-4 08:52 标题: 吃人的故事 解救＂报捷＂．千余孩子在哪？
如果你这些话直接给说那个可怜的母亲，她会轮圆了抽你的嘴巴。作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-4 14:46 最初由[被封]发布
如果你这些话直接给说那个可怜的母亲，她会轮圆了抽你的嘴巴。
Is this the best you can do?作者: 被封 时间: 2007-7-4 14:51 最初由[xpxpxpx p]发布
Is this the best you can do?
This is the best she can do.作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-4 15:04
Well, can you then please tell me why she would do that? According to which part of my post you could make such conclusion?作者: 被封 时间: 2007-7-4 15:48 最初由[xpxpxpx p]发布
Well, can you then please tell me why she would do that? According to which part of my post you could make such conclusion?
If a little girl died in Canada the same way, how would medias and general public response? would any one say "个人也好，国家也罢，没有缺点是不可能的，缺点被别人抓住不放，一再放大的情况下，自己不要急躁，…"
If such tragedy happened to your family, could you still criticize "relentless exaggerations" of Medias? could you still "不要急躁".作者: 费老 时间: 2007-7-4 16:14 标题: 你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！ 最初由[Sedona]发布
This is not the first time.
Globe and Mail is a right-winged medium with a masked heritage position.
Richmond Review is a local newspaper, so it is a surprise the editor will allow such a letter of subtle attack against the Chinese community.
If a little girl died in Canada the same way, how would medias and general public response? would any one say "个人也好，国家也罢，没有缺点是不可能的，缺点被别人抓住不放，一再放大的情况下，自己不要急躁，…"
If such tragedy happened to your family, could you still criticize "relentless exaggerations" of Medias?
I am wondering how come you only picked such a small piece of my post to support your point. Why did you intentionally ignore the following statement which is more important -- 给自己一些时间，不断的努力，就会有好的结果，有了好的结果之后，别人不认可也没关系，继续努力做好下一件事情也就是了。
Contrary to many people’s expectations, the responses of Chinese medium and government were way more positive and constructive. Why couldn’t you, who were born in China, see all of these improvements? Do you think cursing could do any good?
Over all, it takes no intelligence to criticize.
BTW, please don’t misinterpret my post if you didn't really read it.作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-4 16:21 标题: 回复：你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！ 最初由[hanren62]发布 你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！
Please check all the GM news regarding China in the past three months and see how many positive ones you could find.
Thanks in advance作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-4 16:42 标题: News Since July, 2007 Stepping out from China's shadow
04/07/07 06:28 AM
One-fifth of China's products flunk standards
04/07/07 05:20 AM
RIM cracks China market for BlackBerry
04/07/07 02:26 AM
China's Chery signs export deal with Chrysler
04/07/07 02:26 AM
Cold to Chinese commerce
04/07/07 Page A14
China limits organ transplants for foreigners
03/07/07
Pollution kills 460,000 a year in China, World Bank says
03/07/07
The face of Chinese cost-cutting
03/07/07
China promises to improve environment
03/07/07
Ordinary people paying price for a flawed system
03/07/07
Policing Chinese food exports proves a daunting task
02/07/07
Hong Kong has changed, but not necessarily for the better
02/07/07
Head-tax compensation doesn't go far enough, rally told
02/07/07
A decade of Chinese rule, but still no vote for Hong Kong
01/07/07
Hong Kong marks 10th anniversary of its handover to China
01/07/07作者: ffgg123 时间: 2007-7-4 18:05 标题: 回复：你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！ 最初由[hanren62]发布 你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！
I am not sure if I understand your last paragraph.
Let's chat about the first. I said Globe and Mail is masked right wing, based on my knowledge and experience after living in Canada for 25 years. Chinese is able to tell the difference between Hunan Satellite Television and CCTV. Americans are able to distinguish the difference between CNN and FOX.
I am not as patient as xp to quote support evidence. A non-segregated Canadian will be able to tell by near common sense that National Post is extreme right without any mask. Globe and Mail masks its bias toward heritage. Toronto Star has a long history of link to the Liberals, and thus adopts a mild left winged position.
Toronto Sun also is extreme right winged, therefore more eager to expose the dark side of the Chinese community and other ethno cultural communities. Remember Zhang Hong. If not because of Sun's right winged position, Sun would not have placed Zhang on the headline and repeated her stories a few times.
When I say right, I am referring to the Canadian concept. Right winged political parties, like the Reform, the Alliance and now the PC believe in smaller government, lower tax, fewer social programs, traditional family values, fewer immigrants and heritage.
I have said it a few times NAP will "hurt" the Chinese community. I won't repeat what I have said. However, if NAP can prove it they are there to foster a better and healthier Chinese community, I would consider giving them my vote. After all, I am Chinese.作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-4 20:31 标题: 回复：回复：你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！ 最初由[Sedona]发布 回复：你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！
I am not sure if I understand your last paragraph.
Let's chat about the first. I said Globe and Mail is masked right wing, based on my knowledge and experience after living in Canada for 25 years. Chinese is able to tell the difference between Hunan Satellite Television and CCTV. Americans are able to distinguish the difference between CNN and FOX.
I am not as patient as xp to quote support evidence. A non-segregated Canadian will be able to tell by near common sense that National Post is extreme right without any mask. Globe and Mail masks its bias toward heritage. Toronto Star has a long history of link to the Liberals, and thus adopts a mild left winged position.
Toronto Sun also is extreme right winged, therefore more eager to expose the dark side of the Chinese community and other ethno cultural communities. Remember Zhang Hong. If not because of Sun's right winged position, Sun would not have placed Zhang on the headline and repeated her stories a few times.
When I say right, I am referring to the Canadian concept. Right winged political parties, like the Reform, the Alliance and now the PC believe in smaller government, lower tax, fewer social programs, traditional family values, fewer immigrants and heritage.
I have said it a few times NAP will "hurt" the Chinese community. I won't repeat what I have said. However, if NAP can prove it they are there to foster a better and healthier Chinese community, I would consider giving them my vote. After all, I am Chinese.
This is very helpful. Common sense is not so common. Without years of experience, we won't be able to tell the subtle implications from the medium reports.
Thanks作者: 被封 时间: 2007-7-4 21:03 最初由[xpxpxpx p]发布
I am wondering how come you only picked such a small piece of my post to support your point. Why did you intentionally ignore the following statement which is more important -- 给自己一些时间，不断的努力，就会有好的结果，有了好的结果之后，别人不认可也没关系，继续努力做好下一件事情也就是了。
Contrary to many people’s expectations, the responses of Chinese medium and government were way more positive and constructive. Why couldn’t you, who were born in China, see all of these improvements? Do you think cursing could do any good?
Over all, it takes no intelligence to criticize.
BTW, please don’t misinterpret my post if you didn't really read it.
You didn't answer my question. My question is, if your daughter was killed by a bad health care system, how would you repond? Would you still tolerate the system? Would you still keep positive?
I asked Bei Shan similar queation many times. If his family's member was killed in 64, how would he respond? He never answered such question.
No use to argue with people like you and Bei Shan. You are the typical Chinese who can be easily fooled around by GCD.
Sorry for my poor English.作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-4 21:35 最初由[被封]发布
You didn't answer my question. My question is, if your daughter was killed by a bad health care system, how would you repond? Would you still tolerate the system? Would you still keep positive?
I asked Bei Shan similar queation many times. If his family's member was killed in 64, how would he respond? He never answered such question.
No use to argue with people like you and Bei Shan. You are the typical Chinese who can be easily fooled around by GCD.
Sorry for my poor English.
Your English is not bad at all. Don't be too humble.
Well, I believe we are talking about different subjects here. However, I'd like to give your tough questions a try.
What if my family got killed in 64 or what if my daughter got killed by tainted antibiotic.
Honestly, I don't know.
I might become a person like you, keeping cursing and losing faith in my own country. I mean I might. But one thing for sure, if I go that far, I must have already lost my mind.
I don't know what makes you so upset and negative about GCD and even China. But I truly hope your family are all healthy and happy.作者: 陆海 时间: 2007-7-4 23:16
刚看到XP的评论文章, 到很有兴趣对"考全羊"一事做了一下搜索. 人民法院报的文章如下. 那45,000 肯定是错了, 应该是405,000, 这可能是一个typo, 因为它并不影响Globe and Mail原文要表达的意思.
However, I don't think it was a typo. In the original report, the reporter already converted sentenced compensation from RMB to CAN dollars. Both of the amounts indicate that number wasn’t a typo.
Besides, according to the Chinese medium, the restaurant already agreed on the compensation (half a million RMB). How come the G&M report didn't mention that? Since G&M even knew the son in law of the victim planned to move to Canada, which wasn't mentioned in any of the Chinese medium, how come they failed to provide accurate report on that lawsuit, which is absolutely easier to get?
The family says it has spent more than 346,000 yuan ($48,000 Canadian) on medical expenses, legal fees, funeral costs and other expenses caused by the poisoning. The restaurant has paid less than 40,000 yuan ($5,500) in compensation.
A court in Beijing ordered the restaurant to pay another 45,000 yuan ($6,200) to the family, but the owners refused, saying they cannot afford it. The owners, in turn, are trying to sue the four market traders that supplied the meat, but the case has not been heard yet.作者: 陆海 时间: 2007-7-4 23:36 最初由[xpxpxpx p]发布
Thanks for your response.
However, I don't think it was a typo. In the original report, the reporter already converted sentenced compensation from RMB to CAN dollars. Both of the amounts indicate that number wasn’t a typo.
Besides, according to the Chinese medium, the restaurant already agreed on the compensation (half a million RMB). How come the G&M report didn't mention that? Since G&M even knew the son in law of the victim planned to move to Canada, which wasn't mentioned in any of the Chinese medium, how come they failed to provide accurate report on that lawsuit, which is absolutely easier to get?
The family says it has spent more than 346,000 yuan ($48,000 Canadian) on medical expenses, legal fees, funeral costs and other expenses caused by the poisoning. The restaurant has paid less than 40,000 yuan ($5,500) in compensation.
A court in Beijing ordered the restaurant to pay another 45,000 yuan ($6,200) to the family, but the owners refused, saying they cannot afford it. The owners, in turn, are trying to sue the four market traders that supplied the meat, but the case has not been heard yet.
I noticed that. The typo could be in his notes. He then converted the Yuan to dollars. However, the most important thing is what his article saying: the safety of food in China. Is that correct or not? That is more important messsage for a reader to judge.作者: 陆海 时间: 2007-7-4 23:39
For your second part, the restaurant agreed the resposibility but it didn't want to pay or won't have the ability to pay -- so that's why there is a further suit. That was mentioned in the G and M article.作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-5 00:09 最初由[陆海]发布
For your second part, the restaurant agreed the resposibility but it didn't want to pay or won't have the ability to pay -- so that's why there is a further suit. That was mentioned in the G and M article.
Honestly, you may like to read both the Chinese report and G&M's article again.作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-5 01:02 最初由[陆海]发布
I noticed that. The typo could be in his notes. He then converted the Yuan to dollars. However, the most important thing is what his article saying: the safety of food in China. Is that correct or not? That is more important messsage for a reader to judge.
My intention is not playing a role such like government delegate of China. I hate all of these tainted food and medicines as much as you do. I also feel embarrassed every time when I read such kind of sad stories.
However, let's check the flip side a little bit. I’ve been a loyal subscriber of G&M for couple of years. According to my experience during these two years, the newspaper’s attitude to China has never ever been friendly, or even objective. If you are interested, you can go to G&M’s website and check all its cover page stories regarding China and see what type of news this paper put there. For people who are living in Canada, after reading this newspaper for years, I won’t be surprised that many of them will be influenced and have bias against China or even Chinese people, including ordinary Chinese immigrants in Canada.
I don’t understand why some of the 51ers were so aggressive when I raised my concerns. I even was questioned what if my daughter got killed by tainted antibiotic. Should I be criticized and even offended only because I was questioning the position of G&M and couple of its reports?
I’d really like to know how many 51ers read local newspapers & magazines (G&M, TIME, Star, Sun) and watch TV news on daily basis.
Give me your opinions on the concerns that I've raised please.作者: 大大灰狼 时间: 2007-7-5 08:58 标题: [评论]论坛文摘：环球邮报2篇报道引发的思考 good idea!!!作者: 舌战群猪 时间: 2007-7-5 09:02
中国一切罪恶的根源就是人口越来越过剩与生存资源越来越有限之间的冲突。总是会有过剩的群体通过正常的竞争得不到有限的生存资源，但他们总是要本能地想方设法地继续生存。于是假冒伪劣现象出现了，在没有战乱的和平环境里，假药，假酒，有毒食品对抑制人口增长，优化社会人口结构，优胜劣汰，淘汰老弱病残起到了良好的调节作用，也是中国社会贫富差距拉大以后的必然产物。作者: Sedona 时间: 2007-7-5 09:06 最初由[舌战群猪]发布
中国一切罪恶的根源就是人口越来越过剩与生存资源越来越有限之间的冲突。总是会有过剩的群体通过正常的竞争得不到有限的生存资源，但他们总是要本能地想方设法地继续生存。于是假冒伪劣现象出现了，在没有战乱的和平环境里，假药，假酒，有毒食品对抑制人口增长，优化社会人口结构，优胜劣汰，淘汰老弱病残起到了良好的调节作用，也是中国社会贫富差距拉大以后的必然产物。
This theory is 200 years old, and has become a joke in social sciences.作者: igaiga 时间: 2007-7-5 09:39 最初由[舌战群猪]发布
中国一切罪恶的根源就是人口越来越过剩与生存资源越来越有限之间的冲突。总是会有过剩的群体通过正常的竞争得不到有限的生存资源，但他们总是要本能地想方设法地继续生存。于是假冒伪劣现象出现了，在没有战乱的和平环境里，假药，假酒，有毒食品对抑制人口增长，优化社会人口结构，优胜劣汰，淘汰老弱病残起到了良好的调节作用，也是中国社会贫富差距拉大以后的必然产物。
My intention is not playing a role such like government delegate of China. I hate all of these tainted food and medicines as much as you do. I also feel embarrassed every time when I read such kind of sad stories.
However, let's check the flip side a little bit. I’ve been a loyal subscriber of G&M for couple of years. According to my experience during these two years, the newspaper’s attitude to China has never ever been friendly, or even subjective. If you are interested, you can go to G&M’s website and check all its cover page stories regarding China and see what type of news this paper put there. For people who are living in Canada, after reading this newspaper for years, I won’t be surprised that many of them will be influenced and have bias against China or even Chinese people, including ordinary Chinese immigrants in Canada.
I don’t understand why some of the 51ers were so aggressive when I raised my concerns. I even was questioned what if my daughter got killed by tainted antibiotic. Should I be criticized and even offended only because I was questioning the position of G&M and couple of its reports?
I’d really like to know how many 51ers read local newspapers & magazines (G&M, TIME, Star, Sun) and watch TV news on daily basis.
Give me your opinions on the concerns that I've raised please.
It's not a big deal.
Can you say it again what your concerns are?
I will give you my opinion on them.作者: focus 时间: 2007-7-5 14:06
It's obvious that the writer is the one who is biased.
G&M is the first newspaper devoted an entire day's edition to "The Rising of China" with many positive comments. Among its reporting staff is Jan Wong who was sent to China as an exchange student during the cultural revolution. G&M has more insights on China than you ever know of.
The writer has more confidence in the truthfulness of reporting within China than outside is beyond any reasonably informed educated person.
For every negative news reported in the western media, there are 1,000 more that were not reported and 10,000 more cannot or will not be reported within China.
All Chinese knows that "report happiness and not sadness" is the unspoken truth in the culture.
I suggested you folks pick up every Friday's Ming Pao (in toronto area) and read up on a free magazine (Asia Week) and you'll find out all the news, books, etc. that are banned from reporting in China.
The brain washed has the nerve to accused other are being brain washed, how absurd!作者: mbig.ca 时间: 2007-7-5 14:43 标题: 不是经验不足,是经验用错了地方. 联系到最近的NAP事件以及本地媒体对其进行的倾向性很强的报道(几乎没有将NAP的所作所为归结为经验不足的)，
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不是经验不足,是经验用错了地方.作者: tonyhe2004 时间: 2007-7-5 14:59 标题: 回复：你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！ 最初由[hanren62]发布 你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！
闹了半天您不懂英语,要让人家翻译给您? 比 你 强 些 吧 ！ 你 就 不 要 自 讨 没 趣 了 ！ 上 次 丢 人 。 忘 了 ？作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-5 16:06 最初由[focus]发布
It's obvious that the writer is the one who is biased.
G&M is the first newspaper devoted an entire day's edition to "The Rising of China" with many positive comments. Among its reporting staff is Jan Wong who was sent to China as an exchange student during the cultural revolution. G&M has more insights on China than you ever know of.
The writer has more confidence in the truthfulness of reporting within China than outside is beyond any reasonably informed educated person.
For every negative news reported in the western media, there are 1,000 more that were not reported and 10,000 more cannot or will not be reported within China.
All Chinese knows that "report happiness and not sadness" is the unspoken truth in the culture.
I suggested you folks pick up every Friday's Ming Pao (in toronto area) and read up on a free magazine (Asia Week) and you'll find out all the news, books, etc. that are banned from reporting in China.
The brain washed has the nerve to accused other are being brain washed, how absurd!
In brief, my concern is the intentinal or unintentional bias against China in mainsteam media such as G&M.
Let's read through the following essay before we go further.
How to Detect Bias in the News [/FONT]
At one time or other we all complain about "bias in the news." The fact is, despite the journalistic ideal of "objectivity," every news story is influenced by the attitudes and background of its interviewers, writers, photographers and editors.
Not all bias is deliberate. But you can become a more aware news reader or viewer by watching for the following journalistic techniques that allow bias to "creep in" to the news:
Bias through selection and omission [/FONT]
An editor can express a bias by choosing to use or not to use a specific news item. Within a given story, some details can be ignored, and others included, to give readers or viewers a different opinion about the events reported. If, during a speech, a few people boo, the reaction can be described as "remarks greeted by jeers" or they can be ignored as "a handful of dissidents."
Bias through omission is difficult to detect. Only by comparing news reports from a wide variety of outlets can the form of bias be observed.
Bias through placement [/FONT]
Readers of papers judge first page stories to be more significant than those buried in the back. Television and radio newscasts run the most important stories first and leave the less significant for later. Where a story is placed, therefore, influences what a reader or viewer thinks about its importance.
Bias by headline [/FONT]
Many people read only the headlines of a news item. Most people scan nearly all the headlines in a newspaper. Headlines are the most-read part of a paper. They can summarize as well as present carefully hidden bias and prejudices. They can convey excitement where little exists. They can express approval or condemnation.
Bias by photos, captions and camera angles [/FONT]
Some pictures flatter a person, others make the person look unpleasant. A paper can choose photos to influence opinion about, for example, a candidate for election. On television, the choice of which visual images to display is extremely important. The captions newspapers run below photos are also potential sources of bias.
Bias through use of names and titles [/FONT]
News media often use labels and titles to describe people, places, and events. A person can be called an "ex-con" or be referred to as someone who "served time twenty years ago for a minor offense." Whether a person is described as a "terrorist" or a "freedom fighter" is a clear indication of editorial bias.
Bias through statistics and crowd counts [/FONT]
To make a disaster seem more spectacular (and therefore worthy of reading about), numbers can be inflated. "A hundred injured in aircrash" can be the same as "only minor injuries in air crash," reflecting the opinion of the person doing the counting.
Bias by source control [/FONT]
To detect bias, always consider where the news item "comes from." Is the information supplied by a reporter, an eyewitness, police or fire officials, executives, or elected or appointed government officials? Each may have a particular bias that is introduced into the story. Companies and public relations directors supply news outlets with puffpieces through news releases, photos or videos. Often news outlets depend on pseudo-events (demonstrations, sit-ins, ribbon cuttings, speeches and ceremonies) that take place mainly to gain news coverage.
Word choice and tone [/FONT]
Showing the same kind of bias that appears in headlines, the use of positive or negative words or words with a particular connotation can strongly influence the reader or viewer.
Media Awareness Network (MNet) is home to one of the world’s most comprehensive collections of media education and Internet literacy resources.作者: Teamfortress 时间: 2007-7-5 16:11
这帖子，发在这里，除了能够掀起敌意和怨恨以及自我悲怜外，还有什么用？有这么大工夫去研究，为啥不直接把研究结果发给环球邮报去质疑它？
I think its purpose is to strike controversy among the Chinese to fight capitalism
Bias is better than fabrication, i have read many Chinese translation of western news articles and they changed the meaning an intentions all together, for example: "a concern on" became "not an issue, "a small problem" became "not a problem" and so forth; white become black, a deer become a horse
:rolleyes:作者: 陆海 时间: 2007-7-5 18:46 标题: 回复：回复：回复：你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！ 最初由[hanren62]发布 回复：回复：你 就 别 在 这 唬 人 了 ！
但在加国, 划分报纸左右主要是它的社论(比较明确表现出它editorial stance)在加国的政治立场. 这更容易从它对哪个党的支持上和在一些争论度很高的社会议题上(比如是否支持同性结婚、大麻合法化、对低收入阶层是提供更多的就业机会还是提供更多的现金补贴等等)。所以报纸的editorial stance更倾向保守党的象Toronto 的 National Post就从创办开始就被认为是偏右的报纸。这也是那位现在官司缠身的Conrad Black在1998年创办该报的市场竞争路线：与一直支持自由党的中间偏左的Globe and Mail竞争。在整个九十年代，Globe and Mail长期支持自由党的政策，只是在2006年，它转向支持保守党。
与G&M竞争的加国销售量最大的日报Toronto Star是一直比G&M更左. 比如它严厉批评过布什的政策和伊拉克战争. 但最近它的编辑方针也有一些变化, 比如指责加拿大大专院校里的政治正确(political correctness).作者: 陆海 时间: 2007-7-5 18:55
实际上今天中文中的"左右"(不是日常生活中指方向的左右)已经与英文中的left right有些不同了. 在今天的中国, 激进是右, 保守是左, 比如胡乔木是左派, 同样被认为是保守派. 中国还有所谓新保守主义, 或叫新左派.作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-5 19:08 最初由[focus]发布
It's obvious that the writer is the one who is biased.
G&M is the first newspaper devoted an entire day's edition to "The Rising of China" with many positive comments. Among its reporting staff is Jan Wong who was sent to China as an exchange student during the cultural revolution. G&M has more insights on China than you ever know of.
It's interesting that you mentioned the G&M special edition "The Rising of China" .
Here is the link for that special edition. And I still have the paper copy of that issue. I am wondering how much you ever read through and surprised that you use that to support your point of view.
For Jan wong, I don't have much to discuss with you. It seems that you didn't read as much as I did.
The following information is about Jan Wong.
Jan Wong (pinyin: Huáng Míngzhēn) 黃明珍(born 1953[2] in Montreal, Quebec) is a Canadian journalist of Chinese ancestry. She is the daughter of Montreal businessman Bill Wong, founder of Bill Wong buffets/restaurants. She currently writes for The Globe and Mail, a Toronto-based newspaper.
Towards the end of the Cultural Revolution period, she left McGill University and flew to China. The optimistic Maoist became one of two foreign college students permitted to study at Beijing University. She joined the Chinese Communist Party. While at Beijing she willingly turned in a fellow student who had sought her help to escape to the West. The student was subsequently shamed and expelled.[3]
Wong gradually became disillusioned with Party ideology and returned to Canada. She later studied journalism at Columbia, and returned to China for several years as a foreign correspondent for the The Globe and Mail newspaper, where among other things she covered the Tiananmen Massacre. She later chronicled her Chinese experience in a book, Red China Blues, which was promptly banned in China. After a return trip in the late nineties, she produced a second book entitled Jan Wong's China, a somewhat less personal account of social life, the economy, and politics in modern-day China.
In the late 1990s, Wong wrote a regular column, "Lunch with...", in The Globe and Mail. This column, in which she profiled a celebrity over lunch, brought Wong greater attention in Canadian journalism. Wong was widely criticised for her confrontational style in the column, but its popularity didn't subside. A selection of columns was compiled under the title Lunch with Jan Wong. Of her style, National Post columnist Robert Fulford noted: "A Jan Wong interview has all the charm of a train wreck, complete with the moaning survivors."
In 2006, Wong attracted attention by imitating the work of Barbara Ehrenreich and going undercover as a cleaning lady in wealthy Toronto homes.
Wong and Norman Shulman, whom she married in 1976, have two sons: Ben (b. 1991) and Sam (b. 1994). Shulman, an American draft dodger of the Vietnam era, had joined his father Jack Shulman in China rather than fleeing to Canada. Norman had then had been left behind when Jack and his wife Ruth left China during the turmoil of the Cultural Revolution.
报纸是为政治服务的，所谓的言论自由是扯蛋，在哪都一样。当初美国采取欺骗手段侵略伊拉克，你看主流报纸是怎么说，还不是一边倒。所谓拿事实说话，在那个时候都变成瞎子了。作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-5 21:57 最初由[ffgg123]发布
又不是没有时间，又不是不会写英文，又不是和人民日报吵架，在51吵架有什么用，直接写信给报纸，或者找木然，可能51老板只有和木然关系好，其他英文媒体可能老板没有认识的人，或者找张虹，她上了3次英文报纸的头条，希望明天可以看见你们中一个精英写信给报纸，而不是和51的中国人斗
July 2, 2007 at 9:16 PM EDT, The face of Chinese cost cutting was posted on G&M website. In the next day, by 2:00 PM, the comments section was closed. There are totally 41 comments were posted during that period of the time.
I believe that G&M closed the comments that early on purpose. Do you like to figure it out by yourself? Go and check the following link.
He is vulnerable and sensitive to criticisms at China. That is why he is always keen to find excuses for tragedies happened in China. Such kind of people never questions the systems of China- the root of all problems. Such people are not just a few, but many. I label them: Nu Cai. They never care other people’s suffering, as long as they don’t suffer.作者: ffgg123 时间: 2007-7-6 12:11 最初由[porpoise]发布
从楼主的文章仿佛有看到了什么的影子，无知、无情、顽固。翻了错误，制造了灾难，不去反思，不去从根本改正，只会打着“向前看的”旗号想让全民忘却，别人一提起或批评一下，就会跳出来辩解或攻击别人。因为不想反思，不懂反思，不会反思，所以错误一犯再犯，悲剧一演再演。这样的人／组织当政，只能是人民的悲哀。楼主来了加拿大，是国内人民之幸，但我在加拿大实在不想看到他们在这儿用他们的脑袋／思维想影响／改造加拿大，我们现在的家园
你要小心，你是在挑战51的精英，那些喜欢在51写英文不愿意写中文的假洋鬼子，你的下场会很悲惨作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-6 12:39 最初由[被封]发布
He is vulnerable and sensitive to criticisms at China. That is why he is always keen to find excuses for tragedies happened in China. Such kind of people never questions the systems of China- the root of all problems. Such people are not just a few, but many. I label them: Nu Cai . They never care other people’s suffering, as long as they don’t suffer.
If China has been ruled by Japan for a couple of generations, the people of China would be quite different today. They would be freshed, disciplined and organized, for sure. I believe the society would be much better than what it is now.
Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
Invasion by another coutry does not necessarily mean a disaster in the long run.
I know no one here would agree with me.
You seem overwhelmed by angry and frustration.
My intention is to start a health discussion with all the friends here. But you and some 51ers didn’t add any value since day one other than cursing and insulting me. You guys cut me deep.作者: 被封 时间: 2007-7-6 12:45 最初由[xpxpxpx p]发布
You seem overwhelmed by angry and frustration.
My intention is to start a health discussion with all the friends here. But you and some 51ers didn’t add any value since day one other than cursing and insulting me. You guys cut me deep.
No value exists until people get their head right.作者: 被封 时间: 2007-7-6 12:52 最初由[xpxpxpx p]发布
You seem overwhelmed by angry and frustration.
My intention is to start a health discussion with all the friends here. But you and some 51ers didn’t add any value since day one other than cursing and insulting me. You guys cut me deep.
Don't imagine if I am angry or not, because you never know. Please focus on points.作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-6 13:32 最初由[被封]发布
Don't imagine if I am angry or not, because you never know. Please focus on points.
Very good suggestion!
For your previous question:
You didn't answer my question. My question is, if your daughter was killed by a bad health care system, how would you repond? Would you still tolerate the system? Would you still keep positive?
I asked Bei Shan similar queation many times. If his family's member was killed in 64, how would he respond? He never answered such question.
No use to argue with people like you and Bei Shan. You are the typical Chinese who can be easily fooled around by GCD.
Sorry for my poor English.
My answer was:
Your English is not bad at all. Don't be too humble.
Well, I believe we are talking about different subjects here. However, I'd like to give your tough questions a try.
What if my family got killed in 64 or what if my daughter got killed by tainted antibiotic.
Honestly, I don't know.
I might become a person like you, keeping cursing and losing faith in my own country. I mean I might. But one thing for sure, if I go that far, I must have already lost my mind.
I don't know what makes you so upset and negative about GCD and even China. But I truly hope your family are all healthy and happy.
In the following posts, I also expressed my concerns:
My intention is not playing a role such like government delegate of China. I hate all of these tainted food and medicines as much as you do. I also feel embarrassed every time when I read such kind of sad stories.
However, let's check the flip side a little bit. I’ve been a loyal subscriber of G&M for couple of years. According to my experience during these two years, the newspaper’s attitude to China has never ever been friendly, or even objective. If you are interested, you can go to G&M’s website and check all its cover page stories regarding China and see what type of news this paper put there. For people who are living in Canada, after reading this newspaper for years, I won’t be surprised that many of them will be influenced and have bias against China or even Chinese people, including ordinary Chinese immigrants in Canada.
I don’t understand why some of the 51ers were so aggressive when I raised my concerns. I even was questioned what if my daughter got killed by tainted antibiotic. Should I be criticized and even offended only because I was questioning the position of G&M and couple of its reports?
I’d really like to know how many 51ers read local newspapers & magazines (G&M, TIME, Star, Sun) and watch TV news on daily basis.
Give me your opinions on the concerns that I've raised please.
And
In brief, my concern is the intentinal or unintentional bias against China in mainsteam media such as G&M.
Let's read through the following essay before we go further.
How to Detect Bias in the News [/FONT]
At one time or other we all complain about "bias in the news." The fact is, despite the journalistic ideal of "objectivity," every news story is influenced by the attitudes and background of its interviewers, writers, photographers and editors.
Not all bias is deliberate. But you can become a more aware news reader or viewer by watching for the following journalistic techniques that allow bias to "creep in" to the news:
Bias through selection and omission [/FONT]
An editor can express a bias by choosing to use or not to use a specific news item. Within a given story, some details can be ignored, and others included, to give readers or viewers a different opinion about the events reported. If, during a speech, a few people boo, the reaction can be described as "remarks greeted by jeers" or they can be ignored as "a handful of dissidents."
Bias through omission is difficult to detect. Only by comparing news reports from a wide variety of outlets can the form of bias be observed.
Bias through placement [/FONT]
Readers of papers judge first page stories to be more significant than those buried in the back. Television and radio newscasts run the most important stories first and leave the less significant for later. Where a story is placed, therefore, influences what a reader or viewer thinks about its importance.
Bias by headline [/FONT]
Many people read only the headlines of a news item. Most people scan nearly all the headlines in a newspaper. Headlines are the most-read part of a paper. They can summarize as well as present carefully hidden bias and prejudices. They can convey excitement where little exists. They can express approval or condemnation.
Bias by photos, captions and camera angles [/FONT]
Some pictures flatter a person, others make the person look unpleasant. A paper can choose photos to influence opinion about, for example, a candidate for election. On television, the choice of which visual images to display is extremely important. The captions newspapers run below photos are also potential sources of bias.
Bias through use of names and titles [/FONT]
News media often use labels and titles to describe people, places, and events. A person can be called an "ex-con" or be referred to as someone who "served time twenty years ago for a minor offense." Whether a person is described as a "terrorist" or a "freedom fighter" is a clear indication of editorial bias.
Bias through statistics and crowd counts [/FONT]
To make a disaster seem more spectacular (and therefore worthy of reading about), numbers can be inflated. "A hundred injured in aircrash" can be the same as "only minor injuries in air crash," reflecting the opinion of the person doing the counting.
Bias by source control [/FONT]
To detect bias, always consider where the news item "comes from." Is the information supplied by a reporter, an eyewitness, police or fire officials, executives, or elected or appointed government officials? Each may have a particular bias that is introduced into the story. Companies and public relations directors supply news outlets with puffpieces through news releases, photos or videos. Often news outlets depend on pseudo-events (demonstrations, sit-ins, ribbon cuttings, speeches and ceremonies) that take place mainly to gain news coverage.
Word choice and tone [/FONT]
Showing the same kind of bias that appears in headlines, the use of positive or negative words or words with a particular connotation can strongly influence the reader or viewer.
Now, tell me what do you think other than labelling me as "Nu Cai"?作者: 枫子 时间: 2007-7-6 13:49 最初由[xpxpxpx p]发布
Very good suggestion!
For your previous question:
My answer was:
In the following posts, I also expressed my concerns:
And
Now, tell me what do you think other than labelling me as "Nu Cai"?
你是书生气太浓。你以为他们能提出什么有讨论意义的东西来？我就从来也没看到他们能说出个什么道道来。只是像被主子灌了毒品的狗，只知道咬人，还能有什么本事？你越把事实搞清，他们就越狗急跳墙。说别人是“Nu Cai”，还不知道自己还不如我隔壁老头家那条狗，那条狗还有点别的花样呢。作者: 被封 时间: 2007-7-6 13:52
For people who are living in Canada, after reading this newspaper for years, I won’t be surprised that many of them will be influenced and have bias against China or even Chinese people, including ordinary Chinese immigrants in Canada.
Whick one of the following is more important:
1. The reputation of China and Chinese people
2. The suffering of Chiense people(some) through different ways in China due to the lack of sound social system.
You claimed read a lot. Why don't you throw your books away and go to China to learn from that society? In China, reading too much means you have more chance to get head problems.
Here, your problem is linking "negative reports" to China's reputation. Which one is more important, your reputation or other's life?作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-6 14:02 最初由[被封]发布
Whick one of the following is more important:
1. The reputation of China and Chinese people
2. The suffering of Chiense people(some) through different ways in China due to the lack of sound social system.
You claimed read a lot. Why don't you throw your books away and go to China to learn from that society? In China, reading too much means you have more chance to get head problems.
Here, your problem is linking "negative reports" to China's reputation. Which one is more important, your reputation or other's life?
You didn’t get my point at all.
My concern is the bias against China and Chinese in G&M reports, whereas you are only interested in and keep talking about regardless of context is cursing the Chinese government and GCD.
Again, is this the best you can do?作者: 枫子 时间: 2007-7-6 14:11 最初由[xpxpxpx p]发布
You didn’t get my point at all.
My concern is the bias against China and Chinese in G&M reports, whereas you are only interested in and keep talking about regardless of context is cursing the Chinese government and GCD.
Again, is this the best you can do?
I am sure this is not the best way, but the only way he can do.作者: 胡硕士 时间: 2007-7-6 19:40 最初由[ffgg123]发布
我是一个生活在加拿大的华人，我希望中国越来越强大，人民生活富有，我更加希望加拿大也越来越好，因为加拿大的好坏和我有更加直接关系，但是自从中国向全世界开放以来，人民币一直处于很低情况下，加拿大和美国每年和中国贸易的差额越来越大，也就是说加拿大和美国的商人赚钱越来越多，我们在加拿大和美国生活的普通人，每年失去越来越多的工作机会，穷人越来越穷，贫穷之间的差距也越来越大，对于社会的稳定是非常危险的，20年以前，一个技术工人，在加拿大可以一样有很好的生活，可是现在很多工人失去工作，很多工厂不再给予工人任何福利，或者只要一半的福利，想想如果我们不反对中国给予世界不公平的竞争，在贸易差额越来越大情况下，如果我们生活在加拿大的华人不分青红皂白支持中国这种违反竞争游戏的强大，那么可能10年后，在你面临50岁的时候，你的公司，工厂全部会搬去中国，那么你在50岁以后就会面临失去工作，面临破产，面临进入老人困境。
我相信加拿大人，包括很多华人已经感觉这种危险，所以报纸在中国产品出现一系列问题的时候，再一次强调，也希望我们作为生活在加拿大的人民抵制中国的劣质产品，为了加拿大的强大，不要只想利润，也希望加拿大的商人不要不管加拿大的经济而都跑去中国投资，我一点都没有感觉报纸有任何误导公众的意识。
只是很奇怪为什么那么多生活在加拿大的华人，根本不知道中国的违反贸易规则游戏的强大，对于我们生活在加拿大的所有人是一种威胁
俺要顶!作者: 被封 时间: 2007-7-6 20:03 最初由[ffgg123]发布
我是一个生活在加拿大的华人，我希望中国越来越强大，..
What do you mean by "强大". It has been 强大 enough to supress you, to fool you, to take your property and rights away without arguement.作者: 胡硕士 时间: 2007-7-6 23:01
地点:夜狼国.时间:某日, 四个夜狼国民和另外几个外国人同乘一部电梯. 门关上后, 其中一个夜狼国民放了一个闷屁. 顿时满电梯里都臭不可闻. 这四个互夜狼国民相互大声指责:"是你放的.". 那几位外国人当然也受不了这其臭无比的屁,认为电梯里放屁不文明. 有碍斯文.有的皱皱眉,有的耸耸肩,看着那几位夜狼国民,脸上表露出不满. 他们的表情恰好被夜狼国民到了. 于是乎,四个夜狼国民停止"内战", 一致冲着外国人:"怎么的? 你们不放屁吗?" . "你们这些外国人对俺们就是充满敌意". "放屁乃人身之气,看来你们这些口口声声讲人权的家伙们,太虚伪了". "哼.谁能证明屁不是你们放的?" 眼看一场捍卫"尊严"的大战就要爆发了. 这时候电梯门开了,几个外国人"仓慌逃"出电梯. 身后留下的夜狼国民嘲笑......作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-6 23:12 最初由[胡硕士]发布
地点:夜狼国.时间:某日, 四个夜狼国民和另外几个外国人同乘一部电梯. 门关上后, 其中一个夜狼国民放了一个闷屁. 顿时满电梯里都臭不可闻. 这四个互夜狼国民相互大声指责:"是你放的.". 那几位外国人当然也受不了这其臭无比的屁,认为电梯里放屁不文明. 有碍斯文.有的皱皱眉,有的耸耸肩,看着那几位夜狼国民,脸上表露出不满. 他们的表情恰好被夜狼国民到了. 于是乎,四个夜狼国民停止"内战", 一致冲着外国人:"怎么的? 你们不放屁吗?" . "你们这些外国人对俺们就是充满敌意". "放屁乃人身之气,看来你们这些口口声声讲人权的家伙们,太虚伪了". "哼.谁能证明屁不是你们放的?" 眼看一场捍卫"尊严"的大战就要爆发了. 这时候电梯门开了,几个外国人"仓慌逃"出电梯. 身后留下的夜狼国民嘲笑......
此言欠准确，说他们是靠在这里骂中国生活，他们目前还不配。谁配？盛雪们配。有人曾把这些人分为几类，把以此为生者归为第一类。51中这些人属第二，三，四，五，六类。作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-8 20:12
谢谢网管在第一时间清除了不相关的贴子，也谢谢各位朋友的关注。
这次《环球邮报》关于中国制造的报道有着比较特殊的风格，尤其是近一个多星期的报道。具体的讲，我个人觉得就是没有在深层次上讨论这个问题，而是简单的报道相关的事件和重复一些之前的观点，在其最近的文章里FIVE THINGS: MADE IN CHINA，更是把中国的器官移植都当MADE IN CHINA扯上了（For around $50,000, a new Chinese kidney would help many a Canadian patient to bypass those pesky wait times back home）。
相比之下，美国的某些媒体报道得更加深入一些。在最近的时代周刊上有一篇文章：The Growing Dangers of China Trade。文章里除了指出目前的中国制造以及对华贸易中存在的问题，同时也指出了美国FDA等机构在检测方面力不从心的事实，以及美方进口商的责任问题，通过引用很多在华工作的美方人士的观点以及在华做质量监控比较成功的一些企业的案例，文章比较清晰和客观地向读者展示了一个中国制造的目前状况。
在文章的结尾，有一句话我感受颇深，摘录如下供大家品评：
The real test of China's progress won't be whether it can produce more rules or testing labs, lawsuits or tracking systems. It's whether Chinese consumers will demand--and receive--the same assurance of safety that Western consumers do.
这次《环球邮报》关于中国制造的报道有着比较特殊的风格，尤其是近一个多星期的报道。具体的讲，我个人觉得就是没有在深层次上讨论这个问题，而是简单的报道相关的事件和重复一些之前的观点，在其最近的文章里FIVE THINGS: MADE IN CHINA，更是把中国的器官移植都当MADE IN CHINA扯上了（For around $50,000, a new Chinese kidney would help many a Canadian patient to bypass those pesky wait times back home）。
相比之下，美国的某些媒体报道得更加深入一些。在最近的时代周刊上有一篇文章：The Growing Dangers of China Trade。文章里除了指出目前的中国制造以及对华贸易中存在的问题，同时也指出了美国FDA等机构在检测方面力不从心的事实，以及美方进口商的责任问题，通过引用很多在华工作的美方人士的观点以及在华做质量监控比较成功的一些企业的案例，文章比较清晰和客观地向读者展示了一个中国制造的目前状况。
在文章的结尾，有一句话我感受颇深，摘录如下供大家品评：
The real test of China's progress won't be whether it can produce more rules or testing labs, lawsuits or tracking systems. It's whether Chinese consumers will demand--and receive--the same assurance of safety that Western consumers do.
就看问题的观点上,俺是绝对不会一味的"万事和为贵的好", 同意的观点,俺会毫不吝啬鼓掌赞同,.对不同意的观点, 俺也会毫不留情的反击之, 或用直接的方式,或用开玩笑的方式.作者: xpxpxpx p 时间: 2007-7-15 17:50
I bet this "China Free" label will become quite “popular” in the near future. The popularity doesn't necessarily be defined by how many companies and their products start using it. More likely, tt could also be determined by the media coverage and how often people like to bring that up. What still remain unclear to me are the impact to Chinese community and the image of China.
I don't know what I would feel if I hear some jokes on this regard. I don't know neither if there is anything that I can do to help.
Usually, people feel offended when they get labeled. And when they find out being labeled is almost unavoidable, they will feel more stressed, frustrated and even outraged. This might be how will I feel when "China Free" eventually becomes some kind of new slang.
But what we really can do? Play the silent lamb role again?
Anyway, just some thoughts.作者: ???? 时间: 2007-7-18 11:32 标题: A country without courteous A country without any spirtual belief, nothing to afraid, definitely it goes somewhere without courteous.
If my desire was only MONEY and I'd exhausted all possibilities, what I could do?
