教皇走得太远了吧?
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Pope on Charlie Hebdo II: What about 'turn the other cheek?' By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press| January 16, 2015 | Updated: January 16, 2015 9:57am
beloved "Mamma."
Pope Francis arrives for a Mass for the clergy and religious at the Cathedral Basilica of the Immaculate Conception during his visit in Manila, Philippines on Friday, Jan. 16, 2015.
"The pope is not going to hit somebody back," Gahl said. "It's presupposed that a pope, who is supposed to impersonate Jesus, ought not to use violence."
Lombardi, an Italian Jesuit, said he understood why Francis used the example of his mother to make his point, an apparent reference to the tendency of Italian men to remain attached at the hip to their mothers well into adulthood, and forever defensive of their perfection.
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MANILA, Philippines (AP) — What ever happened to "turning the other cheek?"
Pope Francis made headlines when he said en route to the Philippines that there were limits to free speech, especially when it ridicules or insults someone's faith. But he raised even more eyebrows when he explained his point by saying that if a good friend cursed out his mother he could "expect a punch" in return.
The Vatican quickly insisted that Francis was by no means justifying the terrorist attack against the satirical French magazine Charlie Hebdo, which had published inflammatory cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. And Francis, who has condemned all violence committed in God's name, stressed that the attacks were an "aberration."
But his response did pose the question about Jesus' famous exhortation to his disciples in the Sermon on the Mount — and whether for a pope of Italian origin, turning the other cheek only goes so far when the matter concerns his
"Obviously he wasn't justifying violence," the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Friday. "He spoke about a spontaneous reaction that you can have when you feel profoundly offended. In this sense, your right to be respected has been put in question."
The Rev. Robert Gahl, a moral theologian at Rome's Pontifical Holy Cross University, noted that Francis didn't say that HE would have punched his friend for insulting his mother. He said his friend could expect to be punched, given that he should know that he had crossed a moral line in lobbing the insult and should be more careful and courteous in not causing offense.
But does that mean Francis should have turned the other cheek as Jesus taught and let the insult
Not necessarily. Gahl explained that while Jesus did indeed urge his disciples to turn the other cheek, he did so to teach them a new way of responding to provocations that until then had been met with a retaliatory "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." Gahl noted that Jesus fully defended himself — using reason and the law — when he was attacked by his Roman inquisitors.
"Certainly the Catholic Church has never accepted passivism," Gahl said, noting that Christians are allowed to be police officers and soldiers and are encouraged to defend themselves, albeit without resorting to violent retaliation.
"The proper response of the Christian goes beyond turning the other cheek, which is an invitation to hit me again. The Christian response is more complex," he said.
Francis has spoken frequently and reverently about the role his mother, and even more his grandmother, played in his life growing up as the eldest of five children in Buenos Aires. He has said his mother taught him about opera and how to cook, after she became bedridden following the birth of one of his siblings. His grandmother Rosa taught him to pray and to this day he carries in his worn breviary, or prayer book, a copy of a creed she composed when he was young.
"He used the classic example that comes to mind to all of us: to not speak ill about our mothers," Lombardi said laughing. "Apparently it's also like that in Argentina."
本帖最后由 weinberger 于 2015-1-16 12:20 编辑
教皇是人，不是神。这个教皇是阿根廷人，从小受反西方和反资本主义教育。所以说这样的话也不奇怪。梵蒂冈显然很快意识到他说错话了，否则不会这么快出来为他洗脱。教皇最好不要多干涉政治，否则远离天主教的人会越来越多。 教皇是人，不是神。这个教皇是阿根廷人，从小受反西方和反资本主义教育。所以说这样的话也不奇怪。梵蒂冈显然很快意识到他说错话了，否则不会这么快出来为他洗脱。教皇最好不要多干涉政治，否则远离天主教的人会越来越多。
weinberger 发表于 2015-1-16 12:12 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
好像达赖和政治走得也挺近的, 麻烦你也评说评说. 教皇是人，不是神。这个教皇是阿根廷人，从小受反西方和反资本主义教育。所以说这样的话也不奇怪。梵蒂冈显然很快意识到他说错话了，否则不会这么快出来为他洗脱。教皇最好不要多干涉政治，否则远离天主教的人会越来越多。
weinberger 发表于 2015-1-16 12:12 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
那奥巴马呢？
是不是一切不利于极右翼的无论人还是国家、组织都必须消灭呢？ 对呀，赶紧退出天主教，加入轮子的队伍！
快去呐喊吧：三退！三退！三退！ 教皇是人，不是神。这个教皇是阿根廷人，从小受反西方和反资本主义教育。所以说这样的话也不奇怪。梵蒂冈显然很快意识到他说错话了，否则不会这么快出来为他洗脱。教皇最好不要多干涉政治，否则远离天主教的人会越来越多。
weinberger 发表于 2015-1-16 12:12 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
记得这个教皇做了不少整顿天主教会的事情, 是否也是"从小受反西方和反资本主义教育"的缘故呢? 记得这个教皇做了不少整顿天主教会的事情, 是否也是"从小受反西方和反资本主义教育"的缘故呢?
awwa 发表于 2015-1-16 13:09 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
我对天主教一向不喜欢， 但这个教皇好象还有点人样. 奥巴马还不得不做一点事，比如空袭Isis 和 al-Queda，虽然他很不情愿，但是在美国土地上再发生一次 911 的代价他支付不起。
那奥巴马呢？
是不是一切不利于极右翼的无论人还是国家、组织都必须消灭呢？
三达 发表于 2015-1-16 12:32 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif '如果你说羞辱我母亲的话，我一定会揍你一顿。'很难想象这话是天主教教皇说的，都忘了耶稣说的'有人打你右脸就把左脸也给他打'的话啦？有限度的言论自由那还叫言论自由啊？ 那谁来裁判什么是言论自由的限度？政府吗？教皇吗？拿着机枪的恐怖分子吗？ '如果你说羞辱我母亲的话，我一定会揍你一顿。'很难想象这话是天主教教皇说的，都忘了耶稣说的'有人打你右脸就把左脸也给他打'的话啦？有限度的言论自由那还叫言论自由啊？ 那谁来裁判什么是言论自由的限度？政府吗？教皇吗？拿着机枪的恐怖分子吗？
weinberger 发表于 2015-1-16 20:35 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif
好哎, 我啥时打你的左脸, 看你什么反应.。。 克飞，您不用打它的左脸，您随便碰一下任何不相干的“白人”，它都会挑起来与您打个鱼死网破的。
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