Sears 打工遭辞退 两网友明要去抗议

Sedona

[i]最初由[ffgg123]发布[/i]
是不是老赵又在玩51的网友，不过51的大部分网友思维有问题，这么简单的事情搞到要抗议，真是太幼稚和无聊。

第1。这2个人根本就没有为Sears打工，他们的雇主，也就是 老板是介绍工作的经纪公司。通常由经纪公司介绍工作的人要为经纪公司工作3到6个月，如果他们表现好，而且公司其实需要人，那么也要在最少3个月以后才会成为公司的正式员工。所以他们根本没有资格去找Sears抗议。

第2。如果你被公司聘请，成为正式员工，如果这个公司没有工会。那么公司的老板，或者经理什么时候都是有权力让你回家，只要公司给予你一定的费用，就是你每工作1年，公司必须给予你2个星期的工资。

又不是什么了不起的工作，经纪公司还是会再介绍其他的公司给你们，不过因为你们的无知和无理取闹，可能大多数经纪公司看见你们就害怕了，不要把无知当作是歧视，可能这就是为什么其他族裔不喜欢中国人道原因。



fg, I love you.

You are super smart, and you know Canada very well.

1. These guys were referred by the agent to Sears.  If their job is casual temporary, the agent is their boss, not Sears.  The agent got a cut of their salary, and they could be told to leave anytime the agent wants.  If their job is permanent, Sears is their boss but they still had to go through the probation.  They have worked there for a few days, so either the agent or Sears could terminate them with or without just cause, because they were still in probation.

2. These guy saw them as supermen.  In their perception, everyone was lazy and incompetent. In the business world and even in the government, anyone fails to meet the bench marks will be terminated in order to cut cost.

3. Fairness????  Who told you the workplace is a fair place?  Employers give you a job to expect maximum contribution from you and everyone.

4. 张先生也火了，说话的声音也高了八度，他坚持要管工给出一个辞退他的理由，并要求管工将其写下来，签上管工的名字。 that's a good enough reason for termination.  In a workplace, such a behaviour is too aggressive for any tolerance.

5. Protest.  Fine, but not within Sears property.

6. Employment Standards Act.  An employer has the rights to terminate a staff on probation or a casual staff hired by an agent.  Period.

dancerinbright

看你的博客觉得你不是做it的啊，不是北电也研究什么满族文化吧，

[i]最初由[梦工作室]发布[/i]
[b]好吧！我提供一点意见：不用去闹。这事听着不公平，其实公平。[/b]

我当年在那个叫《北电》的大公司也象老张、老姜那么干了，也那么离开了。

不同的是活是高科技的活、最终得到所得，无怨无悔。

我刚进公司的时候，因为英语比德语还差，藏掖着两个高学位，放下身段以初入行的身份拿到了工作。

两个月后放开手脚大干，本来每人各把一摊，授受不亲。我不休假，趁着别人休假的机会顶上去都学会了。

本来一批人一次每人运行一个过程，全部做完要一个礼拜，我一个人在下班之前全部安装启动，还用脚本把全部过程串联、并联起来、把夜间全部利用上。24小时就彻底完成全部过程。

半年后，七八个人一个礼拜的扯皮活，我一天就能干完。把一份本来非常煲人的工作干得非常赢叫赢。

用了一年半时间，从初级到中级、高级、组长、代理管理员，一路就升到了玻璃天花板。（要知道，我那英语可是很糟糕哇！）

组里年轻的被调去搞新开发，年老的、一心不会二用的慢人就都给辞退了。

接下来我发现DBA的事也可以代庖，结果是：上头迅速通知那个DBA合同工不必延了。

后来组里剩下的同事人前人后都不太肯赞叹我了。我也不在乎，毛主席教导我们说，“无限风光在险峰！”

在中国的时候，一路把别个比得落花流水、痛苦呻吟，内心里何等地畅快！顶头上司的器重决定了光明的一切！

不过在加拿大这就不一样了，搞得中级老板好好一个30来人的大组就剩下七八个人，实际上成了小老板。后来也不太乐意带着我到处开会了，我变回了自己一个人的小组长。

第六个年头上，把技术全交给印度香耐尔的几个IT小巴朗子，我和我那小老板就双双下课了。（“光荣退休”）

我是一个在中国那个极度竞争的环境里抽足了海洛英的疯子，破坏了同事们阳光、沙滩般美好的工作节奏。最终让自己和自己的直接老板都没了藏身之地。

我现在在经商、钻研商道。现在就是72小时不睡觉地狂干也害不着任何人了。

老张、老姜，跟我学作生意吧！看你们俩这疯劲儿，作生意一定能发大财。

让我总结一下你们这档子事儿：你们不给残疾人活路，你们残忍！

别去告状了，告状要听证。你们的工友、工头都恨死你们了，不作伪证就算信教的了。

Sedona

There is no evidence to conclude the incident is race related.

If a company cannot terminate an employee because he or she is Chinese, Indian, Mexican or a member of any visible minority, the company will have hesitation offering him/her a job.

All employers have one agenda: hiring a staff to do the job the way the boss wants.

The best advice to these two poor fellows is let go and find another job.

哇咧

[i]最初由[dancerinbright]发布[/i]
[b]回复：好吧！我提供一点意见：不用去闹。这事听着不公平，其实公平。[/b]

看你的博客觉得你不是做it的啊，不是北电也研究什么满族文化吧，



越不象的越是，越是的越不象

小心为上

[i]最初由[斯芬克斯]发布[/i]


网友到网上发帖子寻求帮助，主要是寻求有用的建议，能去身体力行帮助他们当然更好，但很多情况下这是不切合实际的。我们无忧登出这种求助，也是希望提供更多的信息，很多事情不是我们做得不对，而是渠道不对。



你说话越来越没有逻辑了。我建议只是投诉，并不是控告。看看你上面的言论，请律师控告难道不是你先提出来的吗？

还有，如果他们这次忍气吞声，下次雇了中国人肯定还要受气。

很难理解每次自己的同胞受到伤害，比如钓鱼事件，很多网友不去帮他们想办法就算了，却总是把脏水波向受害者。

俺什么时候建议他们"请律师控告"了, 拜托你斯大版主找出来.

投诉要有个限度, 不能无理取闹, 更何况是以"种族歧视"的名义, SEARS里面华裔, 亚裔一大堆, 没见哪个去告, 反倒是中介公司介绍的临时工去投诉, 你是不是想让他俩以后再找不到好工作......

你斯大版主自称在各大知名公司里跳来跳去, 自然是有丰富的管理经验了 , 请你告诉俺, 如果你是那个管工, 你会如何处理?

猛男

现然, 此二兄无甚北美工作经验.

Sedona

[i]最初由[小心为上]发布[/i]

你斯大版主自称在各大知名公司里跳来跳去, 自然是有丰富的管理经验了 , 请你告诉俺, 如果你是那个管工, 你会如何处理?


I can answer this question.

The workplace is the property of the employer.  The employer has the rights to ask anyone and any employee to leave.  Just like in your house, you have the rights to ask your parents, your adult children, your relatives and your friends to leave.

If an employee exhibits behaviour not acceptable at the workplace, e.g. talk loud and disrespectful to the superior, the boss will ask you to go home, with or without pay.

A performance letter will be placed in your HR file.  If the same repeats, you will be terminated with just cause.

胡思乱想

I hope they complain this issue to Sears, and ask them to provide a report what is the reason to fire them, and also present their facts to Sears, and then according to their response, decide next step such as go to Labor department.

No person has an experience to go to Sears to protest it. Maybe it will be work. Their experience will help other people.

But I hope they remember they also made something wrong such as : 姜先生忍不住了，管工再一次命令他去帮别人的时候，他明确告诉管工，那边的人足够了，根本用不着我们帮忙。

As a worker, you can not make judgment on this issue. You can say I have finished too many works, and too tired. Can I take a break, and then go to help them ?

为什么这么做？为什么别人不干活也没人管，偏偏把所有的活都压到他们的头上？

You can calculate how many work you have done, and clarify your allegations to Sears.

Good luck for them.

ffgg123

51的老板不是有律师吗，如果已经请问过律师了，那么至少要告诉他们不要去sears抗议，因为他们不是这个公司的职工，拿别人的无知当作新闻还要让网友评论，51大老板好像不是很厚道，或者知道51的网友大部分是没有思考能力的人     
如果请问过律师，那么因该很清楚这2个朋友因该任何面对问题，为什么要在这里误导其他的朋友呢？

很郁闷，是不是51的老板想自己评估51网友的智力，那么简单，幼稚的问题都要讨论 :smile:

ffgg123

[i]最初由[yhdd]发布[/i]
I hope they complain this issue to Sears, and ask them to provide a report what is the reason to fire them, and also present their facts to Sears, and then according to their response, decide next step such as go to Labor department.

No person has an experience to go to Sears to protest it. Maybe it will be work. Their experience will help other people.

But I hope they remember they also made something wrong such as : 姜先生忍不住了，管工再一次命令他去帮别人的时候，他明确告诉管工，那边的人足够了，根本用不着我们帮忙。

As a worker, you can not make judgment on this issue. You can say I have finished too many works, and too tired. Can I take a break, and then go to help them ?

为什么这么做？为什么别人不干活也没人管，偏偏把所有的活都压到他们的头上？

You can calculate how many work you have done, and clarify your allegations to Sears.

Good luck for them.
自己也搞不清楚什么问题，还要辅导别人，真是没有办法了，再说一遍，他们不是为sears打工，他们的老板是经纪公司。

被封了

姜先生忍不住了，管工再一次命令他去帮别人的时候，他明确告诉管工，那边的人足够了，根本用不着我们帮忙。


Who is 管工? 姜先生 was 管工?

胡思乱想

[i]最初由[ffgg123]发布[/i]

自己也搞不清楚什么问题，还要辅导别人，真是没有办法了，再说一遍，他们不是为sears打工，他们的老板是经纪公司。

I think they should have some relationship with Sears, even they are contacted worker. For example, if they have accident in work place, who is responsible for it.

There is nothing wrong that I suggest they go to get a response for this issue from Sears. If Sears say the work is finished, not fire them. How does these two guy do, still go to protest it ?

This topic is about suggestion.

Paper say they insisted to go to protest it. I say no person has such experience about this issue, if you success, it will help other people.

You are funny guy, both of us are not clear what this discussion want to do.

ffgg123

even they are contacted worker. For example, if they have accident in work place, who is responsible for it.

朋友你是不是也是新移民，如果是contacted worker现在提早让他们回去，那么太好了，sears还要给他们人工直到contact完，他们其实是在为经纪公司打工，就好像是中国的保姆，保姆有个中间公司，如果我不喜欢我的保姆，那么去中间公司告诉他们换一个，就是那么简单，他们只是经纪公司找到的为sears工作的临时工人，而他们的老板就是经纪公司，如果是contacted worker通常是sears 直接聘请，不可能有中间公司。
不过经纪公司和需要员工的每一个公司是有合同的，就是经纪公司介绍的人，必须为他们工作3个月以后，公司才可以雇用。如果有合同，那么也是这2个人和经纪公司的合同，最多就是在3个月内帮助他们介绍工作。

易径

管工上有经理，为什么不去找经理投诉？据我所知管工没有权利开除员工。

小心为上

[i]最初由[Sedona]发布[/i]



I can answer this question.

The workplace is the property of the employer.  The employer has the rights to ask anyone and any employee to leave.  Just like in your house, you have the rights to ask your parents, your adult children, your relatives and your friends to leave.

If an employee exhibits behaviour not acceptable at the workplace, e.g. talk loud and disrespectful to the superior, the boss will ask you to go home, with or without pay.

A performance letter will be placed in your HR file.  If the same repeats, you will be terminated with just cause.

That's right!

If I am the supervisor, I'll do the same thing -- let them go.