市选投票： 对福特说不

zhengqi1

哦,原来是他!多谢提醒,差点就选错人.本来都怀疑他的承诺.大嘴巴什么都能爆出来,包括信口开河.
rocky28 发表于 2010-10-6 23:23

请看一下福特近十年来的“骄人”言行，想象一下如果多伦多有这样的市长，会是什么样。

转帖如下：

In Quotes
Rob Ford and a decade of controversy
Compiled by Jill Mahoney
Globe and Mail Update
Published Thursday, Aug. 19, 2010 1:02PM EDT
Last updated Thursday, Aug. 19, 2010 5:31PM EDT
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Since he was first elected 10 years ago, Toronto city councillor and mayoral frontrunner Rob Ford has grabbed his fair share of headlines for controversial comments.

Here’s a selection of Mr. Ford’s more colourful remarks and revelations:

Aug. 19, 2010: Mr. Ford says he was charged with failing to provide a breathalyzer sample and marijuana possession while visiting Florida with his then-fiancée in 1999. However, the police arrest affidavit says he was charged with driving under the influence, not failing to provide a breathalyzer sample. Mr. Ford said he pleaded no contest to the breathalyzer charge, paid a fine and did 50 hours of community service. Mr. Ford’s admission comes on the same day The Toronto Sun ran a story about the drug charge, which was later dropped.

Aug. 17, 2010: During a televised mayoral debate, Mr. Ford says that in a “perfect world” Toronto would keep its population at current levels. “We can’t even deal with the 2.5 million people in this city. I think it’s more important that we take care of the people now before we start bringing in more.”


Rob Ford and volunteer Tom Beyer speak with Brian Hill while door-to-door canvassing in Scarborough on July 24, 2010.


Aug. 12, 2010: Mr. Ford tells The Toronto Sun that in-camera council meetings have “more corruption and skullduggery going on in there than I’ve ever seen in my life.” He also says council’s decision to award an untendered 20-year contract to a pub operator “stinks to high heaven.” Mayor David Miller slams the comments, saying they are irresponsible and unsupported.

Aug. 4, 2010: Mr. Ford endorses the views of a fundamentalist Christian pastor who said same-sex marriage could “dismantle” a “healthy democratic civilization.” Appearing alongside Pastor Wendell Brereton, Mr. Ford says: “We’re together. We have the same thoughts.” He adds: “I support traditional marriage. I always have. But if people want to, to each your own. I’m not worried about what people do in their private life. I look out for taxpayers’ money.”

July 14, 2010: A report in The Toronto Star says the Toronto District School Board asked Mr. Ford to stop coaching high school football after possibly roughing up a student player in 2001. Mr. Ford’s campaign vehemently denies the report, saying he quit voluntarily. Mr. Ford files a notice of intent to sue The Star. Jonathan Gordon, the former student, later tells The Globe and Mail that Mr. Ford never laid a hand on him.


What does OxyContin go for on the street, so I have an idea?

Dieter Doneit-Henderson is seen at his home in Etobicoke. Mr. Doneit-Hederson taped a phone conversation he had with Rob Ford in which Mr. Ford offered to help him him score OxyContin off the street.


June 17, 2010: The Toronto Sun reports that Mr. Ford offers to help an ill man “score” the powerful painkiller OxyContin in a taped phone conversation. “I’ll try buddy, I’ll try,” Mr. Ford tells Dieter Doneit-Henderson. “I don’t know this shit, but I’ll fucking try to find it.” A few moments later Mr. Ford asks: “What does OxyContin go for on the street, so I have an idea?” Mr. Ford later accuses Mr. Doneit-Henderson of setting him up, saying he only suggested buying illegal narcotics to get a scary stalker off the phone.

June 14, 2010: A poll by The Globe and Mail/CTV/CP24/Nanos puts Mr. Ford in the lead, with 17.8 per cent of support compared to rival George Smitherman’s 15.9 per cent.

March 26, 2008: After Mr. Ford’s wife, Renata, calls police to their home, Mr. Ford is arrested and charged with assaulting her and uttering a death threat. A month later, prosecutors drop the charges because inconsistencies in Ms. Ford’s accounts make a conviction unlikely. “It’s the happiest time in my life when my family’s all together. … That's all I wanted from the very beginning and that’s what I have now,” Mr. Ford tells reporters.


Those Oriental people work like dogs. … They’re slowly taking over.

Kristyn Wong-Tam and supporters lie on the floor outside Councillor Rob Ford's office to demand an apology for his comments about "Oriental people."


March 5, 2008: During a council debate over holiday shopping, Mr. Ford says: “Those Oriental people work like dogs. … They’re slowly taking over.” He later corrects his use of the word “Oriental” but defends Asians as hard-working people. “When I said working like a dog, I was brought up, my father told me every day to ‘Get out of bed and work like a dog, son.’ A dog means you’re a hard worker.”

March 7, 2007: During a council budget debate, Mr. Ford says: “What I compare bike lanes to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later, you’re going to get bitten. And every year we have dozens of people that get hit by cars or trucks. Well, no wonder. Roads are built for buses, cars and trucks. Not for people on bikes. And my heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it’s their own fault at the end of the day.” (See video above.)


If you’re not doing needles and you’re not gay, you won't get AIDS, probably.
June 28, 2006: During a council debate on public-health grants for community-based AIDS-prevention programs, Mr. Ford says: “If you’re not doing needles and you’re not gay, you won't get AIDS, probably.”


Councilor Rob Ford walks past a "no bull" poster after announcing his bid to run for mayor of Toronto in March 25, 2010.


April 15, 2006: Security guards remove a drunken and belligerent Mr. Ford from a Maple Leafs game after he shouts insults at an out-of-town couple. The attacks began after the man asks Mr. Ford to be quiet. Mr. Ford responds: “Who the fuck do you think you are? Are you a fucking teacher?” Failing to get a response, he turns his attention to the man’s wife: “Do you want your little wife to go over to Iran and get raped and shot?” The couple realizes the angry man’s identity after Mr. Ford leaves behind a business card. When reporters confront Mr. Ford with the couple’s complaint, he denies being at the hockey game. A day later, he comes clean, saying he lied because he felt “embarrassed and humiliated.” He also says: “I had one too many beers and I sincerely apologize.” Mr. Ford later e-mails the couple an apology, writing: “My complete lack of manners were unprofessional, immature, and do not in any way reflect my usual behaviour in public.”

Dec. 7, 2005: Railing against new powers for the mayor, Mr. Ford says: “Giving the mayor more power for this council is like giving criminals free guns.” The comment draws a chorus of unsuccessful demands for him to withdraw the remark.


Toronto City Councillor Gloria Lindsay Luby in December, 2006.


July 23, 2005: During a council debate over a pothole, Mr. Ford calls fellow Councillor Gloria Lindsay Luby “a joke. She’s a waste of time. A waste of skin.”

July 19, 2005: During a council debate over speeding up construction of affordable housing units, Mr. Ford says: “People do not want government housing built in the city of Toronto. They want roads fixed, more police presence, but they don’t want more government housing that will depreciate the value of their property.”

June 14, 2005: Mr. Ford questions the utility of grant programs for transgendered and transsexual people during a council debate. “I don’t understand. No. 1, I don’t understand a transgender, I don’t understand, is it a guy dressed up like a girl or a girl dressed up like a guy? And we’re funding this for, I don’t know, what does it say here? We’re giving them $3,210?”




April 17, 2002: During a council debate on whether there should be homeless shelters across the city, rather than only downtown, Mr. Ford says: “This is an insult to my constituents to even think about having a homeless shelter in their ward. And you want me to have a public meeting to discuss this? Why don’t we have a public lynching?” (See video above.)


Toronto City Councillor George Mammoliti speaks to the media about a verbal exchange with Councillor Rob Ford, during which Mr. Ford is accused of calling Mr. Mammoliti a "Gino-boy." — J.P. Moczulski/The Globe and Mail


March 6, 2002: During a council budget debate, Mr. Ford calls fellow Councillor George Mammoliti a “Gino-boy.” Mr. Mammoliti says the remark is a racial slur: “I heard it in school. Hearing it at city hall shocks me.” Mr. Ford denies making the remark.

June 13, 2001: Mr. Ford questions a grant for a video about homosexuality in Toronto’s South Asian community, telling The National Post: “I have no problem giving money out to physically or mentally handicapped children or seniors, but spending $5,000 on this video is disgusting, it is absolutely disgusting to spend this amount of money on this, whatever it was called, video.”

zhengqi1

如果我投福特的票，那才是loser, 因为我因此会丢失我的尊严。

It seems to me that you can't read and don't understand English well. Loser!

"今年市选，选民是什么心情？老百姓对市长苗大伟引入的土地转让和汽车登记两大新税本来就已不满；而市府从这当中搜刮来的金钱，又被大手大脚地花掉了，以至每当做预算时，便危言耸听、漏洞巨大，好像日子过不下去了，物业税将增加10%到20%。老百姓不胜其扰。市议员们则熟视无睹，习以为常。(newstarnet.com)

但真正触痛市民的，其实并不是什么大事，就象尊贵的左翼思想者将福特的不花纳税人金钱作为办公经费的事情视为小事一桩，触痛市民也是那些小事：一，市议员们冻结了市府非工会成员官员的工资，但却给自己加薪2.42%。人们说伪君子，太虚伪了；二，某市议员吃官司花了律师费，其他同道为他策划由纳税人报销。此时幸亏媒体揭发，否则就付诸实行了。(newstarnet.com)

因此，当福特提出多伦多市议会的“揩油列车”必须停驶，立刻打动了广大劳动人民的心。能登上揩油列车的必是关系户、有头脸的家伙们，劳动人民如果一旦登上那滚滚向前的揩油列车，也立时自动丧失劳动人民的地位了。这样的竞选口号，虽然没有远大的目标、高尚的理想、深沉的理念，却仍能帮助福特贴近百姓，获得共鸣。(newstarnet.com)"

NO MORE LAND TRANSFER FEES!
NO MORE MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEES!
NO MORE UNION BULLIES!
VOTE FOR FORD!!
XPD 发表于 2010-10-7 07:56

zhengqi1

to whom who comment on my comment:

sure you have right for voting whoever you like, no one can force you including me, so even you go to vote for stupid FORD I am still ok because it is your human right as same as I am going to to vote whoever I like, so please go ahead.

By the way, there is one thing here I really don't like is, somebody seems like to verbally attck others by dirty words. I think it is natural if we disagree with each other, BUT we should debate or argue knowledgable and with good manner. this is also the way to respect youself as human being.

so please, please DON'T attack each other, let's debate or argue knowledgable and with good manner!!!


JF
西北羊 发表于 2010-10-7 14:14

这是个好建议，我希望大家别像福特那样满嘴脏话。

zhengqi1

“爱国侨胞”应该多花点时间， 好好研究一下西方人眼中的狗是怎样工作的，你至少得让我信服，西方文化中“狗”是辛勤工作的模范，别拿什么“狗是人类最忠实的朋友”之类低劣的托词来搪塞。

回复  实在人

老实人说老实话！楼主应该知道西方人认为狗是人类最忠实的朋友。老朽认为福特的言论绝无贬义，而是文化差异。
爱国侨胞 发表于 2010-10-7 13:06

zhengqi1

Np MORE LAND TRANSFER FEES!
NO MORE MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEED!
NO MORE UNION BULLIES!
VOTE FOR FORD!!
XPD 发表于 2010-10-7 22:22

你引用不少星网的报道。下面这段应该看过吧。

因为他承诺要取消苗大伟的土地转让和车辆登记税。这两大税总计一年将为市府带来2.3亿元的收入，据其他候选人说，这钱已经死在市府，无法再拿出来，也就是没有废止这两税的希望了。以往管过大钱的史振民也束手无策，只不过表示，要把车辆税稍减一点，土地转让税就根本不敢碰。而福特口气居然这么大：如果当选市长，两大税一笔勾销，“让被苛捐杂税征得走投无路的多伦多人稍微喘一口气”(福特原话，大致如此)。雷人雷语，豪气冲天。但人们担心他开销不出，也是情有可原的。 (newstarnet.com)

废止两税真有你想象的那么容易吗？

希望福特不是在为选战空喊口号不兑现，也希望你不被一个无行政客的话愚弄欺骗。

zhengqi1

是啊，在“活的都困难了”的情况下，人的尊严当然就看得微不足道了。

可是我相信，把人的尊严看得比省几个税费钱还要重的人，还是大有人在的。

回复  zhengqi1
我倒是想选个亲中的。选自由党？上台后除了加税就是加费，活的都困难了，还管他亲不亲亚裔？何况自由党正是用拉拢少数族裔上台，在蹂躏全体族裔。还是先选福特，让我们以观后效吧。
小小灵通 发表于 2010-10-10 18:18

zhengqi1

致力於「族裔平等、人類尊嚴與社會公平」的倡權組織為多倫多市長候選人推動「族裔公平」方面評分，史振民(George Smitherman)得分最高，為B+；福特(Rob Ford)則不及格，為F；介於中間的為彭德龍(Joe Pantalone)，得分B，羅西為(Rocco Rossi)C分。
骑兵连连长 发表于 2010-10-11 16:12

加拿大一向标榜所谓族裔平等、人类尊严之类的漂亮言辞。 福特竟然不及格，令人意外。

zhengqi1

福特尚未当选，已经开始食言了。除了预算数字对不上，无法实现，福特近日又表示“Land Transfer fee”不会那么快去掉。
骑兵连连长 发表于 2010-10-11 16:20

福特参选之初承诺上任即废除两税（汽车登记税及土地转让税），但10月8日的财政方案已经修改为土地转让税最早要到2012年才能废除。

还没上台，先前的承诺已经改口，上台又会怎样，谁知道？ 呵呵，政客的承诺是最靠不住的。

zhengqi1

我现在遇到两个问题：
1、从8月1日开始我从markham搬家到downtown toronto，是不是到现在居住的最近投票站出示所要的证件就可以投票了？还需要做些什么呢？因为搬家了。
2、我究竟该投谁的票？
1）如果有华人候选人，我绝对投华人的票，但如果存在多个华人候选人而不能全投票，如何取舍？
2）如果没有华人候选人，我该投谁的票？听话听音，我只有通过看华文报纸揣测了。
经天纬地 发表于 2010-10-11 09:34

有没有华人参选你不知道？ 呵呵...

zhengqi1

那段话是褒义还是贬义，你心里应该清楚。不必揣着明白装糊涂吧？

选举结果能说明什么？ 上台以后是否能够和真正兑现承诺才是最重要的。

你看报吗？

福特承诺上台后每年通过废除“公平薪酬政策”节省8% （即8000万元），但问题是，至2007年为止，73%的市政承包工程都已经工会化，福特能从27%的非工会合同中节省出8000万元来？
The Smell Test: Scrapping the fair wage policy

Toronto Star, Fri Oct 8 2010

Claim: Rob Ford says he will save $80 million a year — $320 million in his first term as mayor — by scrapping the city’s fair wage policy.

Background: In Ford’s newly released financial impact statement, he promises to reduce purchasing costs by 8 per cent (to $920 million a year from $1 billion) by scrapping the fair wage policy, arguing it “stifles competition in the marketplace.”
The policy, enacted in 1893, requires that companies bidding on city work pay employees at a set rate that reflects industry standards, a rate comparable to union wages. Proponents believe the policy nixes any competitive advantage gleaned by underpaying workers, while critics such as Ford believe the policy creates an artificially high benchmark bidding price.

Ford also said he will call on the province to repeal legislation that binds municipalities to hire out to nine specific unions that represent a sector of trades known as institutional, commercial and industrial (ICI).


Smell test: Given the vagaries of the market, and without further specifics on Ford’s numbers, the claim is hard to nail down.
Wages represent about 33 per cent of costs on Toronto construction projects. Ford doesn’t say how his $1 billion figure breaks down, or how he came up with the estimate of 8 per cent, but it seems unlikely that gutting the fair wage policy will result in carving out such a significant chunk. In 2007, the city spent just over $185 million on labour wages.

Moreover, some indicators suggest the move may not create more competition. The vast majority of Toronto’s construction market is unionized, and the fair wage policy doesn’t affect those companies. In 2007, 73 per cent of Toronto’s construction contracts went to unionized firms.


Lastly, the likelihood of Ford convincing the province to rescind the provincial legislation that binds Toronto to the ICI unions is also low, given the probability of “long and protracted litigation” (as one city report investigating the idea concluded).
Verdict: Sour.

让选举结果说话吧。再说你非要把一个市长选举上纲到尊严的层面，有点言重了。
FORD的那句话根本不是什么贬义，反倒是让别有用心的自由党利用，欺负亚裔对英语了解不深，这才是利用文化差异把亚裔当枪使，让亚裔真正地暴露和本土文化的不融合。让我们失去尊严的是自由党才对。
小小灵通 发表于 2010-10-11 08:34

zhengqi1

我不知道，我比较忙，还没来得及了解情况。
经天纬地 发表于 2010-10-11 21:06

你是够忙。

zhengqi1

问你看不看报，你说没补好英语不配和你交谈； 问你“那段话”是褒义还是贬义，你转弯抹角瞎扯什么“深夜站街的鸡”，你能“交谈”出什么？

讨论问题，要像个人样，别转弯抹角占嘴上的便宜。看过的人会说那样很跌份的。

回复  zhengqi1
在你没补好英语以前，你不配和我交谈了。想用英文说“你是个夜猫子“知道怎么翻译么？
如果说你是夜猫子， 你说是褒义还是贬义。你不会也理解成这是在骂你是只深夜站街的鸡吧？
小小灵通 发表于 2010-10-11 21:46

zhengqi1

人还是应该说人话，说不好人话没关系，多多学习会有长进。如果以说鬼话为能事，那你是在学做鬼，是人哪有学做鬼的？那不是在作践自己？说一通鬼话还要标榜自己什么身份，难免让人耻笑。

问你“那段话”是贬义还是褒义，老拿什么“文化差异”说事。你的认知水平大概无论如何也搞不明白，人们承认不同族裔间存在文化差异，但文化差异并非像你所说是需要“克服”的。文化差异的提出，是为了促进人们在社会交往中尽可能彼此尊重，而不是随心所欲去彼此伤害。“狗”在英语口语中可能有不少正面的指代意思，但放在不同语境当中，褒贬意义也很清楚。福特针对“东方人”的那段话是否贬义，看看当时周围政客们的反应即可明白，难道那些在英语中泡大的西人还没你对那段英语的理解更明白？

我前文提到的“善解人意”看来一语中的。过分的“善解人意”般的理解，可能只能解释为奴态，洋奴心态。明明不怀好意，还要硬着头皮去说“不是什么贬义”，让人不可思议。 你可能对英语的“狗”字有所研究，但动不动就“英文里有时“狗”比你高贵”，你是掉进狗眼里不能自拔了，我一介平民，从来没有比什么高贵的需求，那大概是你的需求。英文学到这个份上，还是希望你不要那么“高贵”，说鬼话再加上狗的“高贵”，怕真是有点不成人样了。

何至于如此？ 呵呵。

这叫和人说人话，和鬼说鬼话。好在我这人适应能力强，还能和你交谈，虽然有点降低我的身份。
我很明白的写了“那不是什么贬义”，你要是鼠目寸光看不全字，建议你还是先配副眼镜再上网。再有，请你别太自以为是，认为能揣摩出其他人想法，这年月，最揣摩不透的就是人心。跌份的我倒认为是你，因为至今还不明白英文里有时“狗”比你高贵。如果你都克服不了基本的文化差异，那你还是趁早别去投票了。别糟蹋你的权利。
小小灵通 发表于 2010-10-12 22:09