评论：也谈民族联盟党的使命与前途

yibei

最近看到许多关于民族联盟党的评论，有一个特点：莫名其妙的谩骂都在阴沟里，不敢署名，这一点不怎么象洋人，如果你的英文水平比中文还好，就学习人家白人，口吐英文，战出来公开反对，如果想凑贴子数量，打几个顶就够了，何必浪费大脑呢？因为你所说的完全是下等白人最近所说的话，自己不觉得象汉奸吗？？

小心为上

西西! 老掉牙的帽子又飞来了

hack

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Taking a joke as a serious business, really funny.

I don't think they are not serious enough for this new party. if you are serious enough, you'd better not use only "joke" for comments. we oppose this party only when we really find it against our immigrants interests. otherwise what's the point to laugh at them publicly ?  you can do other things for fun. for example shouting at me if you need some somebody to shouting at for fun!

被封

最初由[yibei]发布
小人的特点

最近看到许多关于民族联盟党的评论，有一个特点：莫名其妙的谩骂都在阴沟里，不敢署名，这一点不怎么象洋人，如果你的英文水平比中文还好，就学习人家白人，口吐英文，战出来公开反对，如果想凑贴子数量，打几个顶就够了，何必浪费大脑 呢？因为你所说的完全是下等白人最近所说的话，自己不觉得象汉奸吗？？

You think you have 大脑?

被封

最初由[hack]发布


I don't think they are not serious enough for this new party. if you are serious enough, you'd better not use only "joke" for comments. we oppose this party only when we really find it against our immigrants interests. otherwise what's the point to laugh at them publicly ?  you can do other things for fun. for example shouting at me!

I said before that if NAP come into the view of the rest of the society some day, Chinese community's image will be tarnished. So far it is only a joke. I hope it will remain to be a joke within Chinese Community. Mr. S has already pointed out the reason.

Sedona

Does anyone know if NAP has changed its name?

I always thought NAP stands for National Alliance Party, but their site todate says Nation Alliance Party.  Was I wrong?  Or, did they change their name?

I found another "joke".  Sorry, I have to use the word "joke" because it is a joke.

Their web site says:

Nation signifies a group of individuals with a common race ;
Alliance represents a connection.

Canada is a multicultural    country, and it is in our interest that all Canadian people may  live together in harmony, thus the implication of our Party's name Nation Alliance Party.

We will promote our party's ideologies through newspaper columns, seminars, and public speeches. We are not racialists , our emphasis is on the unity and equality of all races.

We value and respect the rights of every individual.

Attending to the need of minority groups is an important aspect of our party's guiding principles.



"common race" - what do they mean?

"multicultural" - the contemporary language is diverse or diversity.

"may" - If they are sure, they should have used "shall".

"racialist" - yeah right.  They are not racialists, but they can be racists.

Sedona

NAP says "A deep commitment to nonviolence and we are firmly opposed to racialism."

Let's forget the language first.  The web site says NAP "are firmly opposed to racialism".

See this for definition of racism (hierarchy between races): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#Sociological_Definitions

Also see this for definition of racialism (not necessarily a hierarchy between races):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racialism

Let me elaborate with examples, based on anti-oppression theories.

We know white heterosexual males have power in the society, and non-white homosexual females are powerless.  Others are kind of in-between.

When a white says Chinese are pigs, he is being racist because the harm is significant.

When a Chinese says white trash, he is being racialized because the harm is not as significant.

Both are wrong, but the damage is not the same, which is the foundation of the anti-oppression framework in a common law country.

Canada allows us some racialization.  Celebration of Chinese new year is racialized because only limited racial category benefits from the festival.

I bet NAP means they "are firmly opposed to racism"; otherwise, we will not be allowed to celebrate anything race-based, including Chinese New Year.

hack

NAP need analyst like you to consolidate their official files as a reviewer.

why not contact them (of course they should also actively trying contact you too, but I assume them are too busy to do so) through their website. discuss, point out problems are good things for any newborn organizations.

as long as they claim to represent us we should trying to give help. thanks for your point outs.  by my understanding, all your analysis are just based on (derived from) paper words, not NAP's real intentions, such as no more multi-culture etc.

if you agree immigrants should have a party to politically represent themselves, you should ask NAP to register in Ontario, and you can be the branch secretory for the initial stage. I might vote you in the next NAP Ontario election. if your talent in canadian culture and english were not get used, it would be the loss of intellegece of chinese community. I am serious!

Sedona

I have written a letter to NAP.  Wonder if they will send me a response.




July 25, 2007


Wei Ping Chen
Party Leader
Nation Alliance Party

Mr. Chen:

A group of Chinese Canadians residing in Toronto, Ontario, have mixed emotions with the first political party in Canada founded by members of the Chinese community.  We would like to bring our concerns to your attention so that NAP will overcome the inevitable infancy blues.

The group is embarrassed by the name of your party.  The abbreviation of the Nation Alliance party is NAP, which is the same like nap in everyday English.  Cursing the political party “to sleep” before its birth is by no means your intended purpose; you have opened the door for irrational attacks by your political competitors.

Both Nation and Alliance are bad choices for the name of your party.  In most English speaking countries including the U.S.A., Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, there is either a National or an Alliance Party, which advocates and promotes white supremacy or the rights of whites.  In Canada, there was once a Canadian Alliance Party, which in the perception of the Chinese Canadians, adopted extreme policies against immigrants.   Unfortunately, your choice of the name reflects your party’s lack of knowledge, experience and understanding of the culture of English speaking countries in general and Canada in particular. It should not be a surprise to you if you hear feedback from your community that NAP is a racist party.

Your web site, which may be the only or one of the few limited means of your communication with the community, is disappointing.  There are numerous mistakes in the section “Primary Purpose” including:

1.        Mission, vision and value should have been used, instead of “Primary Purpose”;

2.        Racism is different from racialism.  The #b should be read as “firmly opposed to racism” (http://www.51.ca/bbs/showthread. ... d=784403#post784403);

3.        NAP advocates for immigrants (#c to #f).  Canada is a diverse but inclusive and embracing country accommodating both Canada born and naturalized Canadians.  Your statements intentionally or unintentionally exclude the non-immigrants who are members of various ethno-cultural groups, including the second generation Chinese.  Your “tunneled” or lack of vision severely limits the growth and the future of your party.

4.        Though minor but politically important if NAP is interested in success in Canadian politics, use Canadian English, not American English.

5.        You define Nation as “Nation signifies a group of individuals with a common race”. Though creative, the term “common race” is beyond our comprehension.  Do you mean all immigrants and non immigrants in Canada will be encouraged to cross culturally marry to produce one “common race”? Race is the tool to classify humans into a few major categories based on their biological features.  When there is one common race only in the world, the concept of race is no longer relevant.  If you refer race as racial practice, will Chinese Canadians be allowed to celebrate Chinese New Year and others to celebrate their own festivals?  Alternatively, do you mean one size will fit us all?

Nation Alliance Party is registered in British Columbia only, and is not registered in Ontario or with the federal government. Please advise us if NAP plans to become a federal party.  Is donation to NAP eligible for federal tax refund?  If NAP is a provincial party in British Columbia for now, your communication should reflect your current status.


We would appreciate it if you could provide a response at your earliest convenience.


Best regards




Sedona

Sedona

Below is copied and pasted from NAP membership application form:

I certify that I meet these Conditions of Member      
a. I am a Canadian Citizen or Permanent resident of Canada
b. I actively support for   the founding principles   of the NAP
c. I am at least 18 years of age


Conditions of Member?  Or membership?

Founding principles????  I have read the web site but cannot find the founding principles.  If they are not provided, how can I accept them?  This sentence is not legally binding.

NAP needs a lawyer to re-write all their stuff.

Support for?    Say support.

Sedona

Copied and pasted from NAP web site:

Party leader: Wei Ping Chen

Immigrated to Canada from Sydney Australia in the year 2000;

Received an MBA at the University Technology, Sydney Australia;

Formerly a university teacher in Beijing;

Currently work as a realtor with Century 21 Apex International;

Author of "HOW TO INVEST REAL ESTATE IN CANADA" .



If the above is a resume, it explains why lots of immigrants cannot find a professional job.

The presentation is neither chronological or achievement based.

Did Mr. Chen go to Australia to attend his MBA program?  Did he have immigrant status there?  If no, the statement he migrated from Australia can be a misrepresentation.  If yes, why didn't he say he migrated from China to Australia and to Canada?

He should have disclosed his achievements.  What has he done in and outside Canada?  He needs packaging skills to promote his "credential" that he will lead the immigrants to the new world.

Sedona

Below is the response from NAP:

Dear Sedona

Thank you for your suggestion, we wil discuss it.



If you have any other idea, please contact us again



Thank you.





Truly



Wei Ping Chen

President

Nation Alliance Party



1. This response is more "government" than a government.  

2. Wei Ping Chen calls himself President - definitely an inflated ego.


Stephen Harper calls himself leader.

Below is Harper's biography, much better than Chen's:

Stephen Harper was sworn in as Canada’s 22nd Prime Minister on February 6, 2006.


Mr. Harper has spent his political career standing up and speaking out for Canadians who work hard, pay their taxes and play by the rules. His plan for Canada tackles the real issues that matter to Canadians.


As Prime Minister, Mr. Harper is committed to building a Canada that remains strong, united, independent and free. He is committed to enacting accountability measures for government, lowering taxes for working families, reforming the criminal justice system, helping parents cope with the costs of child care and negotiating a patient wait times guarantee with the provinces.

In 2003, Mr. Harper co-founded the Conservative Party of Canada and went on to contest and win the new party’s leadership.

As Conservative leader, Mr. Harper ran in the 2004 federal election and increased the Conservatives’ standing in the House of Commons by 25 seats, including an important breakthrough in Ontario. On January 23, 2006, Mr. Harper led the Conservative Party to power by winning 124 seats in Canada’s 39th federal election.

Stephen Harper was born on April 30, 1959, in Toronto, Ontario. He moved to Alberta in 1978 to work in the petroleum industry and went on to obtain both a bachelor’s and a master’s degree in economics from the University of Calgary. Mr. Harper and his wife, Laureen, have two children, Benjamin and Rachel, and maintain a permanent home in Calgary.

quickcow

英语用得确实不规范，不够严肃。就不能找个人给proof reading 一下？

好像这位地产经纪的written English 也不咋地。

干他这个行业的组个政党，说我小心眼也好，感觉怪怪的。

Sedona

In 义乌, we see so many faked brands everywhere.  The local business copies Disney, Louis Vuitton and etc.

Unfortunately, we have seen 义乌 in Canadian politics.

Below is the membership application of the Conservative Party of Canada:

Conditions of Membership:
To become a member of the Conservative Party of Canada you must:
• Be a Canadian citizen or permanent resident of Canada
• Actively support the founding principles of the Conservative Party of Canada
• Be at least 14 years of age

The application to join the Liberal Party says:

Joining is easy! If you’re a Canadian resident, 14 years or older, and do not belong to another federal political party, simply fill out the required information on the screen and continue through the online forms.



Here is the membership application of the Nation Alliance Party:

I certify that I meet these Conditions of Member   
a. I am a Canadian Citizen or Permanent resident of Canada
b. I actively support for the founding principles of the NAP
c. I am at least 18 years of age   


Let alone the grammatical mistakes, NAP is not capable of creating their own membership application form.

Apparently, NAP copies from PC - a tradition from 义乌.

If NAP cannot create an application form without copying, how can we trust them to develop policies for the country and to lead us across the Red Sea.

I have sent an email to both NAP and PC.

Sedona

President Chen:

It is a shame on you guys that NAP copies the membership application form from that of the Conservative Party of Canada.  I have expressed my concerns in 51 forum.  See the link: http://www.51.ca/bbs/showthread. ... 76&pagenumber=2

I will alert the Conservative Party of Canada.

Sedona