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作者: 唐炜臻 时间: 2015-7-25 07:11
标题: 好险
本帖最后由 唐炜臻 于 2015-7-25 09:39 编辑
有钱也输，律师在抢钱，投资人是掠夺的对象，怎么都是受害者，我已经为投资人躲过了两大浩劫，一个是金融海啸，一个是律师的集体诈骗，我们的损失相对来说是最小的，成绩是巨大的。我并且学回了游泳，无论市场还是司法，都淹不死了。我有了两个翅膀，一个是金融一个是司法，谁也别想抢我们的钱，抢了也要吐回来，怎么吃的，怎么吐出来，好戏在后头，好事多磨。
看一看下面的文章就清楚了，上市公司嘉汉林业跟我的指控一样，辩护律师花了四千万一百万，控方花费纳税人的钱不知其数，我将赢在加拿大，赢在世界, 谱写加拿大司法史上新的一页,在联邦最高法院树碑立传。
Sino-Forest defence lawyers’ bill a ‘staggering’ $41-millionJEFF GRAY - LAW REPORTER
The Globe and Mail
PublishedMonday, Apr. 20, 2015 6:13PM EDT
Last updatedMonday, Apr. 20, 2015 6:15PM EDT
Defence lawyers for Sino-Forest Corp. and some of the collapsed forestry firm’s former directors and senior executives have billed $41-million in legal costs over the past four years, an amount that lawyers for burned shareholders call “staggering” and “astonishing.”The once $6-billion Chinese forestry company listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange sank after a short-seller alleged it was a “Ponzi scheme” in June, 2011, resulting in fraud allegations from the Ontario Securities Commission and a $9-billion class action lawsuit filed on behalf of shareholders.
The legal bills in the high-profile case came up in a Toronto courtroom on Monday as lawyers for Sino-Forest’s former shareholders clashed with representatives of the defunct company’s insurers, who are actually paying the costs.
At stake is whether investors will ever get a share of the rapidly depleting pot of money that is Sino-Forest’s insurance policies, which include coverage of only $62-million. For some of the defendants in the class-action case, plaintiffs would only see any recovery from them out of this insurance money. But Sino-Forest’s China-based founders, Allen Chan and Kai Kit Poon, face unlimited liability, court heard.
Kirk Baert, a lawyer with Koskie Minsky LLP who acts for Sino-Forest shareholders, told court that since January, 2014, lawyers for the Sino-Forest defendants had billed $26-million, with $18-million of that charged since July, 2014, alone. He called the increase in that burn rate “troublesome.”
He alleged in a written submission that defence counsel spent “unnecessary time” on the class-action case, dropping opposition at the last minute to the plaintiffs’ motion to have the case certified by a judge in January and attending 19 witness cross examinations, some as far away as Hong Kong and in some cases without asking “any substantive questions.”
Sino-Forest is represented by Bennett Jones LLP, which also acts for some of the former executives. Other firms involved in the defence include Rueter Scargall Bennett LLP; Osler, Hoskin & Harcourt LLP; Davis LLP; and McMillan LLP.
The issue came up when lawyers for one of Sino-Forest’s four insurance providers sought an order from Justice Geoffrey Morawetz of the Ontario Superior Court on Monday to fix what they call a “clerical error.”
Sino-Forest’s four insurers each have about $15-million in liability. When one hits their maximum, the next one in line takes over. Mary Margaret Fox, a lawyer acting for Chubb Insurance Co. of Canada, told court that due to a internal error, Chubb accidentally paid out about $1-million that the next insurer in line, Travelers Insurance Co. Of Canada, was supposed to pay.
Ms. Fox asked for an order that would allow Travelers to cover that amount. She also wanted the court to declare that the amount, and all other funds paid out by Chubb, counted as “loss” under Sino-Forest’s insurance. She also said the legal bills had been scrutinized by the insurers involved.
Mr. Baert argued her request went too far as it required Justice Morawetz to declare that all of the legal bills paid by Chubb were “reasonable and necessary,” something the court could not do without being able to examine what legal work was done and whether it was needed. Justice Morawetz reserved his decision.
作者: SUPERFAN 时间: 2015-7-25 08:53
老唐，欢迎回来
作者: 从来没有救世主 时间: 2015-7-25 09:00
欢迎归来！
作者: xuxi 时间: 2015-7-25 09:16
欢迎老唐回来，老唐啊咱哥俩合作，应该会有些作为。
作者: 哆伦哆 时间: 2015-7-25 09:28
老鸭子精神抖擞回来了，加拿大犯罪天堂呀。
作者: 唐炜臻 时间: 2015-7-25 09:51
本帖最后由 唐炜臻 于 2015-7-25 09:53 编辑
欢迎各路神仙通力来合作，集体力量大。我有大量的司法经历和法庭好资料，多伦多有大量的人才和大量的机会，我要写新书，卖旧书。我需要作家，文职人才，出版商。
我也要找一份高级工作，赚很多钱
作者: SUPERFAN 时间: 2015-7-25 10:10
还可以拍一部励志电影
作者: xuxi 时间: 2015-7-25 10:40
老唐啊，俺觉得你应该弃商从政了
作者: 清风寨 时间: 2015-7-25 10:42
你失败了，你把别人的钱都败光了，你应该感到内心愧疚才对
作者: 哆伦哆 时间: 2015-7-25 14:51
你个反革命，你反对唐鸭子就是反对华人。
作者: sunlife 时间: 2015-7-25 15:33
老唐，在牢里有没有被奥巴马的亲戚爆菊？
作者: 清风寨 时间: 2015-7-25 17:09
瞧你这熊孩子
http://img3.cache.netease.com/photo/0031/2015-07-24/AV9H1MFI43UD0031.gif
作者: 5 past 6 时间: 2015-7-25 17:16
生命不息，
猥琐不止。
请把你LINKEDIN上面的英文改改，
表写得跟个快乐的白痴一样傻逼和自恋。
作者: 哆伦哆 时间: 2015-7-25 17:26
这文盲还有LINKEDIN，装白领啊。有意思。
作者: 5 past 6 时间: 2015-7-25 17:28
被关以前有，
本人一不小心看到后直接吐了，
现在有没有关掉不纸道。
作者: 5 past 6 时间: 2015-7-25 17:33
找到了，
你先去找个尿壶以防呕吐
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/weizhen-tang/9/42b/b94
作者: 哆伦哆 时间: 2015-7-25 18:06
Visionary, Inspiring, Insightful, Truthful, Honest, Respectful, Trustworth, Leadership, Determination, Dedication, Responsibility and Innocent, A Man with Character and Integrity.
唐鸭子这不是简历，是征婚广告啊。这鸭子没啥文化。
作者: 哆伦哆 时间: 2015-7-25 18:16
唐鸭子84-85在武汉大学做访问学者，估计不知道在武汉大学混了个什么零时工的活，号称访问学者了，国内没这么一说。死鸭子简历就不老实。
然后俄亥俄州立大学、滑铁卢大学学习，有谁见过文凭吗？
鸭子说他毕业后做老师直到1990. 可是这鸭子1987在俄亥俄州立大学读书啊。
这货简历都编不好还能骗到钱，可见那些苦主想发财想昏头了，没说的，活该。
作者: 清风寨 时间: 2015-7-25 19:45
最讨厌这帮公派留学叛国者
国家的便宜都让它们占尽，还对国家不满意，要求这要求那的，自己对国家做了什么贡献没有
作者: 8号 时间: 2015-7-25 19:50
哆伦哆 发表于 2015-7-25 18:16
唐鸭子84-85在武汉大学做访问学者，估计不知道在武汉大学混了个什么零时工的活，号称访问学者了，国内没这 ...
有谁读研究院没教过几年大学？我现在也教一点带些学生，主要目的看中他们青春活力。 教大学根本不算啥成就。
作者: 哆伦哆 时间: 2015-7-25 20:09
有谁见过唐鸭子的文凭没？
作者: 唐炜臻 时间: 2015-7-25 20:44
我的文凭，法庭有记录。你可以不信我，我知道你信法庭。
作者: 8号 时间: 2015-7-25 20:57
哆伦哆 发表于 2015-7-25 20:09
有谁见过唐鸭子的文凭没？
文凭？我的文凭不是论张计算。我大约有一磅重文凭证书牌照。有用吗？有意思吗？各位活到快死年龄，还在这里说文凭！
作者: 专业打脸 时间: 2015-7-25 21:46
和老唐有啥过节?
人家刚出来,就纠缠不放.
作者: 8号 时间: 2015-7-25 22:33
本来老克市本坛傻尻大哥，咋的来了个大哥大老于，再来个大大哥老唐，克飞台正常了。
作者: 显示名称 时间: 2015-7-25 23:05
老唐出来欢乐多，51网更热闹了。
作者: 唐炜臻 时间: 2015-7-26 06:03
sino-Forest execs deny fraud, call OSC allegations a misinterpretation of Chinese business practices
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TORONTO – Canadian regulators laid out a “road map” Tuesday they said will prove Hong Kong-based executives carried out a massive fraud at Sino-Forest Corp., which traded at $6-billion on the Toronto Stock Exchange before its spectacular collapse. But lawyers for the accused argued that the Ontario Securities Commission has simply misinterpreted common Chinese business practices.
Sino-Forest raised $3-billion in Canada’s capital markets before a short-seller’s allegations of fraud and revenue inflation – and a subsequent investigation by the Ontario Securities Commission — felled the firm and wiped out the holdings of scores of shareholders.
Hugh Craig, a lawyer for the Ontario Securities Commission pledged Tuesday to call more than a dozen witnesses and present thousands of pages of documents and other evidence to back up accusations of multiple instances of fraud – including selling timber rights before they had even been acquired.
These events did not take place on Bay Street or even rural Ontario
But a lawyer for former Sino-Forest chief executive Allen Chan, as well as the legal representative for four other former senior executives, said Canadian regulators made the mistake of looking through “a North American lens” when interpreting Sino-Forest’s timber ownership and sales contracts in China.
“These events did not take place on Bay Street or even rural Ontario,” Emily Cole, a lawyer for Mr. Chan, told a three-member panel of OSC commissioners that began hearing the Ontario regulator’s case against the former Sino-Forest executives on Tuesday. “The panel should not draw conclusions about them as if they did.”
Ms. Cole plans to call an expert witness on Chinese law and business culture who will testify that Sino-Forest’s operations were in keeping with the requirements and constraints of the developing market.
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She said her witness, Dr. Randall Peerenboom, an American who has lived in China for more than 20 years, would explain how business practices viewed as “surprising, if not shocking” to Canadian regulators was the only way to do business in China where money could not be exchanged freely and local bank accounts were impossible to get.
The OSC’s fraud accusations centre in part on Sino-Forest’s practice of buying and selling timber assets without any cash passing through the company. Purchasers bypassed the company entirely by paying Sino-Forest’s suppliers.
This accusation “pre-supposes they could have sent money to Sino-Forest – it simply wasn’t possible,” Ms. Cole said, adding that setting up offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands was in no way “nefarious” because it was similarly required.
Keep an open mind about these differences in business and culture
“Keep an open mind about these differences in business and culture,” she urged the OSC panel.
Markus Koehnen, who is representing former senior Sino-Forest executives Alfred Hung, Albert Ip, George Ho, and Simon Yeung, spent more than two hours Tuesday afternoon walking the panel through such concepts at guanxi, or relationship building. He said understanding the key component of Chinese business that goes well beyond networking would clear up concerns over declaring revenue based on agreements made in farmers’ fields, and the perceived impropriety of a series of close business connections between Sino-Forest and key customers and suppliers.
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The OSC alleges that Sino-Forest’s top executives hid these relationships that helped perpetrate the fraud, which Mr. Craig said included “the fabrication of assets and revenue.”
Mr. Chan and the other accused former executives take the allegations seriously and are anxious to explain the steps they took to address and disclose uncertainties related to doing business in China, their lawyers said.
Mr. Koehnen acknowledged that the extensive probe by regulators dug up some “mistakes” the fast-growing company had made as it developed — but he said such occurrences are not usual.
Peter J. Thompson/National Post
Peter J. Thompson/National PostStaff of the OSC hopes to call a handful of witnesses who would testify from Hong Kong, including former Sino-Forest CEO Allen Chan’s former assistant.
“The fact that someone makes an operational mistake doesn’t make it fraud,” he said, noting that all the company’s cash was accounted for in an internal probe by Sino’s independent directors, despite lingering questions about timber ownership.
“It’s an odd fraud where there’s no cash missing at all,” Mr. Koehnen said.
He said his clients plan to testify, and would prefer to do so in Canada rather than by remote link to Hong Kong if certain issues are worked out. He declined to say what might stop them from coming to Canada.
Staff of the OSC hopes to call a handful of witnesses who would testify from Hong Kong, including Mr. Chan’s former assistant. If the bid to line up these witnesses is successful, it could involve early morning or late evening hearings to accommodate the time difference between Hong Kong and Toronto.
Mr. Chan’s lawyer, Ms. Cole, pointed out that Carson Block, the short-seller whose bombshell report in June of 2011 was the beginning of Sino-Forest’s fall, is not on the OSC’s list of expected witnesses.
Mr. Craig, counsel for OSC staff, acknowledged the role of Mr. Block’s report in the Sino-Forest story in his opening arguments Tuesday. But he said the risk of losses to investors – a key element of fraud – was independent of the report and pre-dated it.
“The risk of this loss was always present, given the flaws in Sino-Forest,” Mr. Craig said.
“No investor could make an informed decision whether to buy or sell Sino-Forest securities.”
Mr. Craig anticipated evidence from the accused about different business practices in China, but he urged the panel to remember that Sino-Forest raised billions of dollars in Canada’s markets and was subject to Ontario securities law.
In addition to allegations of backdating purchases and sales of timber assets, the former Sino-Forest executives are accused of misleading independent directors, auditors, and OSC investigators.
The case is expected to continue well into 2015
作者: waytwo 时间: 2015-7-26 07:12
哈，这不就是老军医广告麽，真的是服了他。
作者: 宇宙洪荒 时间: 2015-7-26 08:04
唐炜臻 发表于 2015-7-25 20:44
我的文凭，法庭有记录。你可以不信我，我知道你信法庭。
向司法體系開戰，這對象你找的不錯。
作者: 宇宙洪荒 时间: 2015-7-26 08:09
我相信當世很多成功的三人都做過類似老唐的事情，成了那是冒險，不成就是詐騙。希望老唐能踏踏實實幹點事大家看看，不過投錢給你還是免了吧，事關血壓。
作者: 哆伦哆 时间: 2015-7-26 12:38
你的意思是唐鸭子之后无脑瘫了？
作者: 哆伦哆 时间: 2015-7-26 16:44
你是老唐的搭档吗？
作者: david-davidabc 时间: 2015-7-27 23:10
我大约有一磅重文凭证书牌照。有用吗？
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