You should remeber that if insulting happens, only victims can tell. 51.ca was accused by some lawyers from big firms, so what? after that 51.ca's experienced a leap forward development. 作者: 哪吒 时间: 2007-10-15 21:24 最初由[斯芬克斯]发布
多伦多这个地方，什么人都有。这个雇主不好，就去另一家。何必自找麻烦呢。作者: beca 时间: 2007-10-15 21:38
The most important are facts and witnesses.
If you indeed think you haven't been treated fairly and you can get strong witnesses, most likely you will win this case. Otherwise, you should save your time, learn the lesson and move on.
I have successfully filed the case without hiring a lawyer in a court. My experience told me that all stories need evidence and facts to support. Opinions and irrationals will not work by the end of the day.
This rule of thumb works for any nation.
If you can get statements and signatures from your co-workers, go ahead. Otherwise, learn the lesson!作者: zggg 时间: 2007-10-15 21:42 标题: true true作者: 归途如虹 时间: 2007-10-15 21:45 标题: 咨询处 小熊的提醒很对。我不赞同云云总生的说法，但说得可以让人考虑到什么。如有问题到我这里可以得到满意的咨询。对不起，我没时间在这里将得太多。联系我就是了。国人聪明，估计我一点就通！
把你的电话交给赵老板吧！当事人有需要的话请教你。作者: ali888 时间: 2007-10-15 22:04 标题: you are help wanted, you can not refuse to your boss, this is normal behaviour here, try to find a new job if you do not like it.作者: 小心为上 时间: 2007-10-15 22:13 最初由[斯芬克斯]发布
You should remeber that if insulting happens, only victims can tell. 51.ca was accused by some lawyers from big firms, so what? after that 51.ca's experienced a leap forward development.
你要是真那么有种, 干嘛不跟那两位一起去SEARS总部抗议?
真是看热闹的不怕事大, 站着说话不腰疼 作者: win_2008 时间: 2007-10-15 22:34
Never go and it is really not worth your time and any effort.
Have helped the same job the first few years in Toronto for Fair weather by my self find the job online, ( Never third party) , met the same thing. Never trust anybody and it is not worth to be angry with those lower leveled so called supervisor---only those slaves and dog of the boss. Sears had bad reputation in Toronto in business , and had closed many branches by hiring the flatters and lazy guys. We joking call it SARS
Now just try to contact with those smart people and have some education and brain. Use your time to find job or sleep at home is better than do anything like that. Just need to calm down.
This way also show we Chinese people have good education and moral level. Do not bother to argue with them. You will find the better jobs and bosses---better do business yourself or work for friend' s business --that is my advice.
Do not do labor anymore---what kind of people you will meet--they are the same thing as labors in our own place.---They keep on hiring them and finally they will have no business and pay more but get less done.---who cares??
Plus , they know most police and government than you, you won't win just waste your time.
Good luck .
And take time to understand Canada. There are many better people and place for you to work for
Protestion just only show you have not good quality of personality to tolerance.
If they owed you big salary, you can sue them to labor board and that is good to do. But only this really do not need to take any action . And you should cheers for leaving those labors forever...Because they have no brain...作者: 阿素 时间: 2007-10-15 22:35 标题: 干活太快，不把握好节奏，害人害己。 这种事在中国移民圈里发生好多次了。。
作者: lucy333333 时间: 2007-10-16 07:48
you can go to labour board to complain this issue, i have been there before, it is in downtown toronto, Queen street cross somewhere.
Good Luck!!!作者: 云水心 时间: 2007-10-16 08:05 标题: 回复：好吧！我提供一点意见：不用去闹。这事听着不公平，其实公平。 最初由[梦工作室]发布 好吧！我提供一点意见：不用去闹。这事听着不公平，其实公平。
You are super smart, and you know Canada very well.
1. These guys were referred by the agent to Sears. If their job is casual temporary, the agent is their boss, not Sears. The agent got a cut of their salary, and they could be told to leave anytime the agent wants. If their job is permanent, Sears is their boss but they still had to go through the probation. They have worked there for a few days, so either the agent or Sears could terminate them with or without just cause, because they were still in probation.
2. These guy saw them as supermen. In their perception, everyone was lazy and incompetent. In the business world and even in the government, anyone fails to meet the bench marks will be terminated in order to cut cost.
3. Fairness???? Who told you the workplace is a fair place? Employers give you a job to expect maximum contribution from you and everyone.
4. 张先生也火了，说话的声音也高了八度，他坚持要管工给出一个辞退他的理由，并要求管工将其写下来，签上管工的名字。 that's a good enough reason for termination. In a workplace, such a behaviour is too aggressive for any tolerance.
5. Protest. Fine, but not within Sears property.
6. Employment Standards Act. An employer has the rights to terminate a staff on probation or a casual staff hired by an agent. Period.作者: dancerinbright 时间: 2007-10-16 08:23 标题: 回复：好吧！我提供一点意见：不用去闹。这事听着不公平，其实公平。 看你的博客觉得你不是做it的啊，不是北电也研究什么满族文化吧，
别去告状了，告状要听证。你们的工友、工头都恨死你们了，不作伪证就算信教的了。作者: Sedona 时间: 2007-10-16 08:25
There is no evidence to conclude the incident is race related.
If a company cannot terminate an employee because he or she is Chinese, Indian, Mexican or a member of any visible minority, the company will have hesitation offering him/her a job.
All employers have one agenda: hiring a staff to do the job the way the boss wants.
The best advice to these two poor fellows is let go and find another job.作者: 哇咧 时间: 2007-10-16 08:29 标题: 回复：回复：好吧！我提供一点意见：不用去闹。这事听着不公平，其实公平。 最初由[dancerinbright]发布 回复：好吧！我提供一点意见：不用去闹。这事听着不公平，其实公平。
The workplace is the property of the employer. The employer has the rights to ask anyone and any employee to leave. Just like in your house, you have the rights to ask your parents, your adult children, your relatives and your friends to leave.
If an employee exhibits behaviour not acceptable at the workplace, e.g. talk loud and disrespectful to the superior, the boss will ask you to go home, with or without pay.
A performance letter will be placed in your HR file. If the same repeats, you will be terminated with just cause.作者: 胡思乱想 时间: 2007-10-16 09:22
I hope they complain this issue to Sears, and ask them to provide a report what is the reason to fire them, and also present their facts to Sears, and then according to their response, decide next step such as go to Labor department.
No person has an experience to go to Sears to protest it. Maybe it will be work. Their experience will help other people.
But I hope they remember they also made something wrong such as : 姜先生忍不住了，管工再一次命令他去帮别人的时候，他明确告诉管工，那边的人足够了，根本用不着我们帮忙。
As a worker, you can not make judgment on this issue. You can say I have finished too many works, and too tired. Can I take a break, and then go to help them ?
为什么这么做？为什么别人不干活也没人管，偏偏把所有的活都压到他们的头上？
You can calculate how many work you have done, and clarify your allegations to Sears.
Good luck for them.作者: ffgg123 时间: 2007-10-16 09:25
51的老板不是有律师吗，如果已经请问过律师了，那么至少要告诉他们不要去sears抗议，因为他们不是这个公司的职工，拿别人的无知当作新闻还要让网友评论，51大老板好像不是很厚道，或者知道51的网友大部分是没有思考能力的人
如果请问过律师，那么因该很清楚这2个朋友因该任何面对问题，为什么要在这里误导其他的朋友呢？
很郁闷，是不是51的老板想自己评估51网友的智力，那么简单，幼稚的问题都要讨论 :smile:作者: ffgg123 时间: 2007-10-16 09:28 最初由[yhdd]发布
I hope they complain this issue to Sears, and ask them to provide a report what is the reason to fire them, and also present their facts to Sears, and then according to their response, decide next step such as go to Labor department.
No person has an experience to go to Sears to protest it. Maybe it will be work. Their experience will help other people.
But I hope they remember they also made something wrong such as : 姜先生忍不住了，管工再一次命令他去帮别人的时候，他明确告诉管工，那边的人足够了，根本用不着我们帮忙。
As a worker, you can not make judgment on this issue. You can say I have finished too many works, and too tired. Can I take a break, and then go to help them ?
为什么这么做？为什么别人不干活也没人管，偏偏把所有的活都压到他们的头上？
You can calculate how many work you have done, and clarify your allegations to Sears.
Good luck for them.
自己也搞不清楚什么问题，还要辅导别人，真是没有办法了，再说一遍，他们不是为sears打工，他们的老板是经纪公司。作者: 被封了 时间: 2007-10-16 09:47
姜先生忍不住了，管工再一次命令他去帮别人的时候，他明确告诉管工，那边的人足够了，根本用不着我们帮忙。
Who is 管工? 姜先生 was 管工?作者: 胡思乱想 时间: 2007-10-16 09:49 最初由[ffgg123]发布
I think they should have some relationship with Sears, even they are contacted worker. For example, if they have accident in work place, who is responsible for it.
There is nothing wrong that I suggest they go to get a response for this issue from Sears. If Sears say the work is finished, not fire them. How does these two guy do, still go to protest it ?
This topic is about suggestion.
Paper say they insisted to go to protest it. I say no person has such experience about this issue, if you success, it will help other people.
You are funny guy, both of us are not clear what this discussion want to do.作者: ffgg123 时间: 2007-10-16 09:59
even they are contacted worker. For example, if they have accident in work place, who is responsible for it.
The workplace is the property of the employer. The employer has the rights to ask anyone and any employee to leave. Just like in your house, you have the rights to ask your parents, your adult children, your relatives and your friends to leave.
If an employee exhibits behaviour not acceptable at the workplace, e.g. talk loud and disrespectful to the superior, the boss will ask you to go home, with or without pay.
A performance letter will be placed in your HR file. If the same repeats, you will be terminated with just cause.
That's right!
If I am the supervisor, I'll do the same thing -- let them go.作者: 青山下 时间: 2007-10-16 11:31 标题: 根本就是贴错了地方. 这些人巴不得你们这些中国劳工全被赶出加拿大才心花怒放.
谁说不能告?
我10年前就曾经当过管工.即便开掉一个试用期的工人都必须给出理由.这个理由可能根本不是理由.但必须给出.否则对方有权利告你.
由经济公司介绍来的临时工人,确实不属于雇佣劳力的公司,但是他享受所有政府法定的各项劳工权益.而雇佣公司有义务保障劳工的权益.这就是加拿大.不因为你不是公民只是一个居民而剥夺你的所有合法权益.
中国人就这德性,就象挤汽车,自己上去了就拿屁股顶后来者.
尤其是那些洋奴们,生怕得罪了主子,任何情况下只会攻击自己的同类.所以,谁要在这里找个公道是自找没趣.作者: tankbig 时间: 2007-10-16 11:35
最好谈谈，去示威如果sears请律师你会很麻烦。还有记得下次工作在大公司时，要看周围的人如何做，和别人保持同步，你干的多也不会多得多少，但一定会得罪人的!作者: 小心为上 时间: 2007-10-16 11:44 最初由[开心小人]发布
Let me share how a company or a government terminates the staff, based on my experience and the policies and procedures at my workplace.
1. Build a case before termination. Document the staff's problems and issue a performance statement which will go to the HR file. After the first and second warnings, there will be sufficient for a termination.
2. We can terminate on the spot, e.g. extreme situations, management staff.
3. Termination usually happens the first thing in the morning and is executed by HR staff.
4. HR staff will prepare a cheque and a demographic reference. The compensation is 3 weeks of salary every 1 year of service. If you have worked for 10 years, you get 30 weeks of salary. The demographic reference will state the start and end work dates and the last salary amount - no positive or negative comment.
5. No reason of termination will be provided because that will open up a potential lawsuit. The termination letter will state you will be no longer employed by the agency, with an effective date.
6. For staff on probation, we usually provide a cheque of 2 weeks salary, if terminated on the spot. No compensation if there is any fore warning.
7. For termination with just cause, no compensation will be provided.作者: Sedona 时间: 2007-10-16 12:13
Just cause to terminate these guys:
1. Verbally abusive to the superior.
2. Failure to abide by instructions.
The employers do not have to share the reasons for termination. Every termination is a potential lawsuit, so why do the employers share information before the court hearing?作者: 青山下 时间: 2007-10-16 12:13 标题: 简单回答你那么许多废话. 只有第5条实用于本例.再仔细看看.
5. No reason of termination will be provided because that will open up a potential lawsuit. The termination letter will state you will be no longer employed by the agency, with an effective date.作者: 小心为上 时间: 2007-10-16 12:14 最初由[青山下]发布
你这个小孩常常说的有点道理.开除的原因很简单,任何一个理由都可以,不违反劳工法的.
但是必须给出书面通知包括辞退理由,LEADERHANDS OR SUPER
签字备案生效.
根据楼主文帖,他们是被剥夺了合法权益的.
你觉得管工辞退他们哪里不对吗?作者: 青山下 时间: 2007-10-16 12:23 最初由[Sedona]发布
Just cause to terminate these guys:
1. Verbally abusive to the superior.
2. Failure to abide by instructions.
The employers do not have to share the reasons for termination. Every termination is a potential lawsuit, so why do the employers share information before the court hearing?
